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Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #705 –
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It is really worth listening to Richard Willingham on ABC radio.  He provides an objective analysis of each party's policy releases, why they've chosen that tack, and whether they're getting any traction.

Jess Wilson is campaigning well and the most recent polls give her the lead.  However, it seems that there's no uniform swing to the L-NP from the ALP and we should see a patchwork of results with some electorates sticking with the ALP, some being won by the L-NP and a couple going to PHON.  I'm sticking with my prediction of a minority government, probably L-NP, and a hostile upper house.
Too many people get sucked in by social media A/B Bucket testing, it's an echo chamber that leads them to believe everybody thinks along the same lines. Then when the result isn't as expected they'll claim it's rigged by the deep state.

The genuine non-aligned pro commentators use anonymity methods to survey the market, they aren't marooned swallowing the usual crap that Faceplant, InstaTwaddle or XtremoNet tell them.

The simple test we can do is use a browser Incognito / Private mode without using your usual logins to survey the news media and social media, and then actually take note of how very different the report and search results become.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #706 –
If one is to believe the polls, we here in Victoria might finally rid ourselves of these corrupt and incompetent bunch of buffoons.
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership
2026-Slow start, we can kick after all, why not?

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #707 –
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If one is to believe the polls, we here in Victoria might finally rid ourselves of these corrupt and incompetent bunch of buffoons.
It's not surprising though is it, there are really only two viable alternatives, the rest are just stains to add to existing stains. I suspect the young liberal basically has the victory to lose.

In my opinion the likes of PHON are even worse than what we already have, not a genuine alternative, because they exhibit the traits of both the left and the right in one condensed package, all the good and all the bad without any real substance. They want to cut costs but by targeting basics like health, they promise to look after little guy but laud freeing the billionaires from regulation, and they give us no detail about how they will actually deliver the promises other than another promise for more information later. Promises are not policies.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #708 –
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If one is to believe the polls, we here in Victoria might finally rid ourselves of these corrupt and incompetent bunch of buffoons.


It looks that way.  I just hope it's not a return to the corrupt and incompetent ways of the Baillieu-Napthine government.

As long as it's not Gina Rinehart's One Nation, we'll muddle along without too much change.
"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #709 –
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If one is to believe the polls, we here in Victoria might finally rid ourselves of these corrupt and incompetent bunch of buffoons.

Choose your poison.

No matter which way you go, you won't be pleased with the result.

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #710 –
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If one is to believe the polls, we here in Victoria might finally rid ourselves of these corrupt and incompetent bunch of buffoons.

Carrolls list of election promises to fix the pot holes, cut hospital waiting times, tougher sentencing to youth offenders, more police at stations proves (not that we needed any more) what a lying 2 faced clown he and his inept party is.

They disputed all those very concerns time and time again and span them everytime they were questioned yet now miraculously they promise to fix it all as long as you vote them in of course.

This corrupt party has fooled the Victoria people for the last 12 years so i understand their planning in trying the same winning tactic.

It won't work and they will be smashed in this election.


Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #711 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
If one is to believe the polls, we here in Victoria might finally rid ourselves of these corrupt and incompetent bunch of buffoons.

Choose your poison.

No matter which way you go, you won't be pleased with the result.

Scare tactics which you used in the sacking Voss debate. I wont go further on that one..... 

Only the most staunch labour voter would use that argument and it won't work on election day as majority of voters can judge things without that level of bias. Victorians will cast their vote based on understanding the sad condition our state is now in with the current party governing for the last 12 years. Regardless of the fact we dont have a crystal ball to see how the Libs will fare you simply cannot reward the current inept party with another term.

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #712 –
Quote from: shawny – on
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
If one is to believe the polls, we here in Victoria might finally rid ourselves of these corrupt and incompetent bunch of buffoons.

Carrolls list of election promises to fix the pot holes, cut hospital waiting times, tougher sentencing to youth offenders, more police at stations proves (not that we needed any more) what a lying 2 faced clown he and his inept party is.

They disputed all those very concerns time and time again and span them everytime they were questioned yet now miraculously they promise to fix it all as long as you vote them in of course.

This corrupt party has fooled the Victoria people for the last 12 years so i understand their planning in trying the same winning tactic.

It won't work and they will be smashed in this election.



I dont recall ever being someone who advocates for change for the sake of change, but if ever there were reasons for it here in Victoria is candidate numero uno. I am sick to death of these pollies taking the piss with their BS rhetoric. Tonight on the news, you had some Senior Police Official at a presser (with that fwit of a Lord Mayor standing behind her) stating categorically how safe Melbourne is. Enough FFS, the Melb CBD is farken Ghetto and thats during the day let along at night. The are violent, drug affected fwits on every second corner, I have worked in the heart of the City for the best part of 15 years and the last 2.5 to 3 years has seen a deterioration like never before. Tell the wife of the poor man who lost his life two nights ago that Melb is safe. I couldnt care less about the state of mind of the dirt bag who did, point is he should never have been on the streets. We can continue to dance around these issues and others like the state of our finances but enough is enough. And Ill tell you one thing, who ever comes in to replace these idiots will be under 100 fold the pressure because its one thing to talk the talk during an election campaign, can you walk the walk when youre handed the keys. We'll all be watching and listening and expecting action  from day one. The minute I start hearing "well the previous Government did this" and "the previous government did that", may as well take the keys off them and get someone else in. Now is the time for clear and decisive leadership in the State. I'll be writing to Miss Wilson and stating these very facts. No more pissing down our backs and telling us its raining.
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership
2026-Slow start, we can kick after all, why not?

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #713 –
Quote from: shawny – on
Quote from: kruddler – on


Choose your poison.

No matter which way you go, you won't be pleased with the result.

Scare tactics which you used in the sacking Voss debate. I wont go further on that one..... 

Only the most staunch labour voter would use that argument and it won't work on election day as majority of voters can judge things without that level of bias. Victorians will cast their vote based on understanding the sad condition our state is now in with the current party governing for the last 12 years. Regardless of the fact we dont have a crystal ball to see how the Libs will fare you simply cannot reward the current inept party with another term.

The same 'scare tactics' were mentioned before Trump took over. I won't go further on that one....

Fraser is by far the exception, not the rule.

I think all politicians are corrupt and inept and only out for themselves and their bank balance.
Labor, Libs, ON....whoever.

Nobody gets anything for free.
You want to fix the current problems, go ahead, but it will be at the expense of something else instead. As i said, pick your poison.

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #714 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Quote from: shawny – on


Scare tactics which you used in the sacking Voss debate. I wont go further on that one..... 

Only the most staunch labour voter would use that argument and it won't work on election day as majority of voters can judge things without that level of bias. Victorians will cast their vote based on understanding the sad condition our state is now in with the current party governing for the last 12 years. Regardless of the fact we dont have a crystal ball to see how the Libs will fare you simply cannot reward the current inept party with another term.

The same 'scare tactics' were mentioned before Trump took over. I won't go further on that one....

Fraser is by far the exception, not the rule.

I think all politicians are corrupt and inept and only out for themselves and their bank balance.
Labor, Libs, ON....whoever.

Nobody gets anything for free.
You want to fix the current problems, go ahead, but it will be at the expense of something else instead. As i said, pick your poison.
tend to agree.

I see this as a see saw.

Labor one side, liberal the other. 

Too many years of either is no good.



"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #715 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on

tend to agree.

I see this as a see saw.

Labor one side, liberal the other. 

Too many years of either is no good.
Agreed, success in politics has now become a reward for skilled misdirection, as opposed to good fiscal and social management.

But it's not really the politicians or bureaucrats who are ultimately at fault, they are just working in the theatre modern media has created, until media and social is made accountable for publishing deception and misdirection nothing can possibly change.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #716 –
The problem for any government is always about priorities and balance.
A government can improve outcomes in something like "law and order" by allocating extra resources to that area.
But that money has to come from somewhere else, and another area goes underfunded.
Advocates for that area then get upset.

If you have a change of government in Victoria some areas will receive a boost.
But other areas will then come under scrutiny as resources are reallocated
And a whole different set of people will be expressing dissatisfaction.

It's a rare group that gets that balance right at a state level for an extended period....and it is always complicated and affected by national and international influences.
Those influences are very much in play at the moment.
 

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #717 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Quote from: shawny – on


Scare tactics which you used in the sacking Voss debate. I wont go further on that one..... 

Only the most staunch labour voter would use that argument and it won't work on election day as majority of voters can judge things without that level of bias. Victorians will cast their vote based on understanding the sad condition our state is now in with the current party governing for the last 12 years. Regardless of the fact we dont have a crystal ball to see how the Libs will fare you simply cannot reward the current inept party with another term.

The same 'scare tactics' were mentioned before Trump took over. I won't go further on that one....

Fraser is by far the exception, not the rule.

I think all politicians are corrupt and inept and only out for themselves and their bank balance.
Labor, Libs, ON....whoever.

Nobody gets anything for free.
You want to fix the current problems, go ahead, but it will be at the expense of something else instead. As i said, pick your poison.

yeah nah. If they are not doing the job they were elected to do they must be taken out of that position. Rewarding poor governing with extra terms is saying ok we accept the corruption, we accept the 200B debt, we accept the pot holes, the waiting lists, the crime etc etc etc. Unless you want the country to turn into the 3rd world you have to replace them and trust the new leadership will improve things. If they dont they are replaced as well.

To try and down play that by throwing in the alternative could be worse is simply showing your bias to a particular party.

Based on your thinking the yanks should re-elect Trump too cause the alternative could be worse ;)

Pick your poison.... ::) 

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #718 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Quote from: shawny – on


Carrolls list of election promises to fix the pot holes, cut hospital waiting times, tougher sentencing to youth offenders, more police at stations proves (not that we needed any more) what a lying 2 faced clown he and his inept party is.

They disputed all those very concerns time and time again and span them everytime they were questioned yet now miraculously they promise to fix it all as long as you vote them in of course.

This corrupt party has fooled the Victoria people for the last 12 years so i understand their planning in trying the same winning tactic.

It won't work and they will be smashed in this election.



I dont recall ever being someone who advocates for change for the sake of change, but if ever there were reasons for it here in Victoria is candidate numero uno. I am sick to death of these pollies taking the piss with their BS rhetoric. Tonight on the news, you had some Senior Police Official at a presser (with that fwit of a Lord Mayor standing behind her) stating categorically how safe Melbourne is. Enough FFS, the Melb CBD is farken Ghetto and thats during the day let along at night. The are violent, drug affected fwits on every second corner, I have worked in the heart of the City for the best part of 15 years and the last 2.5 to 3 years has seen a deterioration like never before. Tell the wife of the poor man who lost his life two nights ago that Melb is safe. I couldnt care less about the state of mind of the dirt bag who did, point is he should never have been on the streets. We can continue to dance around these issues and others like the state of our finances but enough is enough. And Ill tell you one thing, who ever comes in to replace these idiots will be under 100 fold the pressure because its one thing to talk the talk during an election campaign, can you walk the walk when youre handed the keys. We'll all be watching and listening and expecting action  from day one. The minute I start hearing "well the previous Government did this" and "the previous government did that", may as well take the keys off them and get someone else in. Now is the time for clear and decisive leadership in the State. I'll be writing to Miss Wilson and stating these very facts. No more pissing down our backs and telling us its raining.

100%. Spot on and thankfully the bulk of Vic voters will have the same thoughts on election day and send this corrupt party packing.

12 years of spiraling down to where our state is - long overdue change is needed and will happen.