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Re: List Building - More than one way to skin a cat

Reply #105 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
I guarantee there was a list of players they were interested in.  At one point on the video they said someone was off the board before they made the decision to trade with Brisbane.

I'm guessing that was Emmett

https://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/news/1932520/2025-telstra-afl-draft-pick-27-louis-emmett

There was talk on some forums earlier in the night that our targets were Dean, Ison, Byrne and Emmett
Three out of four ain't bad...but he would probably have been a good pick-up.

Re: List Building - More than one way to skin a cat

Reply #106 –
Quote from: Lods – on
Quote from: Thryleon – on
I guarantee there was a list of players they were interested in.  At one point on the video they said someone was off the board before they made the decision to trade with Brisbane.

I'm guessing that was Emmett

https://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/news/1932520/2025-telstra-afl-draft-pick-27-louis-emmett

There was talk on some forums earlier in the night that our targets were Dean, Ison, Byrne and Emmett
Three out of four ain't bad...but he would probably have been a good pick-up.

Some might remember me saying before night 2 that we should trade up with the kangas to get the 1st pick of the night to....
a) Guarantee us a pick before Ison was bid on.
b) Get whichever player we wanted from what was left without having to worry about another team taking him

Lucky for us Ison wasn't bid on anyway.
Unlucky (or poor planning??) that 'our guy' was taken right before we had the chance to take him.

All these things are easy in hindsight, sure, but let the record show i called it at the time. I just was unaware that we were targetting Emmett over my preference of Ludowycke,

Re: List Building - More than one way to skin a cat

Reply #107 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Quote from: Lods – on


I'm guessing that was Emmett

https://www.westernbulldogs.com.au/news/1932520/2025-telstra-afl-draft-pick-27-louis-emmett

There was talk on some forums earlier in the night that our targets were Dean, Ison, Byrne and Emmett
Three out of four ain't bad...but he would probably have been a good pick-up.

Some might remember me saying before night 2 that we should trade up with the kangas to get the 1st pick of the night to....
a) Guarantee us a pick before Ison was bid on.
b) Get whichever player we wanted from what was left without having to worry about another team taking him

Lucky for us Ison wasn't bid on anyway.
Unlucky (or poor planning??) that 'our guy' was taken right before we had the chance to take him.

All these things are easy in hindsight, sure, but let the record show i called it at the time. I just was unaware that we were targetting Emmett over my preference of Ludowycke,

Do you really think that Austin and co hadn’t considered that scenario and rejected it in favour of better options?

All list managers, ours included, are formulating their strategies and making decisions based on a hell of lot more information than the most well-informed supporter has access to.

Yes, it would have been good to have been able to draft another Harry McKay, but all that were available were more Harry Lemmeys … and we scored the best KPP by a considerable margin.

"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball

Re: List Building - More than one way to skin a cat

Reply #108 –
Austin has been our list manager now for 6 drafts.

Who are the top 5 players he has drafted?
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

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Reply #109 –
Dean, Ison, Smith…

To be fair I think his first 4 drafts he was trading rather than drafting.
Let’s go BIG !

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Reply #111 –
Cowan
O. Hollands
Hof
Smith
Dean

We wont know how good these guys are for a while yet and we wont know how much better or worse we could have drafted out of those.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

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Reply #112 –
Quote from: northernblue – on
Dean, Ison, Smith…

To be fair I think his first 4 drafts he was trading rather than drafting.

Despite the emphasis on trades and free agents, Austin still drafted some pretty handy players in his first four drafts; Motlop, Ollie Hollands, Cowan, Moir and Wilson.

At the same time, he brought in Williams, Saad, Boyd, Hewett, Lewis Young, Cerra, Acres, O'Keeffe and Matt Carroll and, apart from Oscar McDonald, not one delisted player among them :)
"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball

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Reply #114 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Quote from: northernblue – on
Dean, Ison, Smith…

To be fair I think his first 4 drafts he was trading rather than drafting.

Despite the emphasis on trades and free agents, Austin still drafted some pretty handy players in his first four drafts; Motlop, Ollie Hollands, Cowan, Moir and Wilson.

At the same time, he brought in Williams, Saad, Boyd, Hewett, Lewis Young, Cerra, Acres, O'Keeffe and Matt Carroll and, apart from Oscar McDonald, not one delisted player among them :)

See, there's a point to make here, but when you include Wilson in 'quality players' you devalue the rest of them.

You did similar with pumping up Binns' tyres not too long ago. Well he was 'so bad' that we paid him to not be here, hardly a ringing endoresement like you would have us all believe!

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Reply #115 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Quote from: DJC – on


Despite the emphasis on trades and free agents, Austin still drafted some pretty handy players in his first four drafts; Motlop, Ollie Hollands, Cowan, Moir and Wilson.

At the same time, he brought in Williams, Saad, Boyd, Hewett, Lewis Young, Cerra, Acres, O'Keeffe and Matt Carroll and, apart from Oscar McDonald, not one delisted player among them :)

See, there's a point to make here, but when you include Wilson in 'quality players' you devalue the rest of them.

You did similar with pumping up Binns' tyres not too long ago. Well he was 'so bad' that we paid him to not be here, hardly a ringing endoresement like you would have us all believe!

Wilson won a place in the team in round 22 and improved with every game.  He may not be best 23 just yet, but he's certainly got a future.

You must be mistaking me for someone else, Pinot perhaps, because I've always had my doubts about Binns.  I think I mentioned his VFL B&F recently but that's about it.
"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball
 

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Reply #116 –
Wilson's a developing player who gives his best.
He's improving and played some good games in the VFL last year
Kept saying he needed to be given a senior game
Then when given that senior opportunity he improved again every game.
Only just turned 20
I was really pleased we kept him on.
Give him a bit more time.

Re: List Building - More than one way to skin a cat

Reply #117 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
Cowan
O. Hollands
Hof
Smith
Dean

We wont know how good these guys are for a while yet and we wont know how much better or worse we could have drafted out of those.

After 6 drafts he hasn't drafted an A grader yet.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

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Reply #118 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
Quote from: Thryleon – on
Cowan
O. Hollands
Hof
Smith
Dean

We wont know how good these guys are for a while yet and we wont know how much better or worse we could have drafted out of those.

After 6 drafts he hasn't drafted an A grader yet.
define an A grader.

Weitering?
Walsh?
Cripps?
Curnow?
McKay?
Tdk?

Does the recruiter select an A grader or does the club turn them into one?

Thus far Austin has selected talent and its a coin toss between cowan, Hollands, motlop and HOF for his best.  We havent seen jagga yet, so who knows. Ditto Dean.

For mine an A grader is not an objective measure and the selections can only be judged relative to what else was recruited.

I.e.  would you swap walsh for butters?

Same draft.

Need to know what he should have taken with those picks instead of what was taken.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

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Reply #119 –
44 names on the list, 35 belong to Austin, 8 to SOS (H, Gov, Kemp, Walsh, Weiters, Newmy, Pitto and Cottrell) and 1 to Hughes (Cripps). Safe to say it's largely Austins list now with 3 SOS draftees moving on this trade period gone by. The responsibility of our success or failure from a list perspective will lie squarely with Austin, no more excuses for him.
Having said that, Ill put my hand up and say I've been critical of him but I think he and the team have done an outstanding job this trade period bringing in high end talent at the draft and setting us up to draft Cody Walker (potential no 1 pick) in 2026. Austin had no control over TDK and SOS leaving or Curnow being shown the door (make no mistake, he was shown the door). Replacing talent like TDK and Charlie takes time, it's not done in a draft or a trade period, it takes a few of each at least in my opinion.
We shall see, but I am bullish.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership