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Re: AFL Rd 0 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #30 –
Yes, more coach churn is definitely the answer.

Re: AFL Rd 0 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #31 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
Quote from: Thryleon – on


He will survive the year, but if he wanted a contract for next year, conceding 12 goals in a quarter is one way to make sure you lose your chance to keep coaching into next year.

That quarter is going to hang over his head like the sword of damocles all season.

The next month will seal his fate.
Drop any of the next 3 matches against Richmond, Melbourne and North then he won't be coaching in 2026.  Lose them all and Good Friday will be his last game

Should of replaced him last year.

Voss was an amazing footballer and led by example on the field. The game these days is a tactical one in the coaches box and he is totally at sea and powerless to make any moves in particular to arrest momentum.  What coach just sits and watches while 12 goals are piled on in a quarter first game of the year.  Then in the presser says there are positives and we showed in the PS games our system works. Hes delusional to even reference a game where the opposition particularly playing 2 teams that played in the GF are not playing to win but playing for fitness and conditioning.

Loved him as a footballer but that reference was telling about how out of touch he is.

Im not suggesting a new coach with transform our average list into world beaters but the coaches role is to get the best out of what he has and his lack of knowing what levels to pull pushes us back even further.

Get someone in who can actually coach the modern game.
 

Re: AFL Rd 0 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #32 –
Fans focus on the wrong things.

The problem wasn't really the third quarter at all, the 3rd was inevitable given the wasted efforts of the first half. We were dominant in the first half but unable to score, it's demoralising and leaves the opposition cherry ripe to overrun our team. This is a story that repeats itself.

I've mentioned before, if we do not see a significant change in game style, if our tactics barely change despite significant list changes, it's a big negative because we are exposed as obviously formulaic. Everybody knows what we do, and plan for it accordingly, we bring little innovation.

As for the beat up around the game in the media, you can see that for yourself, and even in the broadcast when the special commentary went on about our players "gobbing off" at Curnow, then after the game Curnow tells the reporters he received the silent treatment from our squad. How do they twist this onto us, today they report we were full of spite and lost focus, is the media calling Curnow a liar? Also note the beat up about Florent and Mills, then post-game they take a selfie together! My advice to fans is to watch the game carefully and look for yourself, do not be influenced by the noise and spin that is basically designed to prey on your emotions. If you feel you cannot disconnect from the commentary, turn off the volume and you will experience a completely different game!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 0 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #33 –
Quote from: LP – on
Fans focus on the wrong things.

The problem wasn't really the third quarter at all, the 3rd was inevitable given the wasted efforts of the first half. We were dominant in the first half but unable to score, it's demoralising and leaves the opposition cherry ripe to overrun our team. This is a story that repeats itself.

I've mentioned before, if we do not see a significant change in game style, if our tactics barely change despite significant list changes, it's a big negative because we are exposed as obviously formulaic. Everybody knows what we do, and plan for it accordingly, we bring little innovation.

As for the beat up around the game in the media, you can see that for yourself, and even in the broadcast when the special commentary went on about our players "gobbing off" at Curnow, then after the game Curnow tells the reporters he received the silent treatment from our squad. How do they twist this onto us, today they report we were full of spite and lost focus, is the media calling Curnow a liar? Also note the beat up about Florent and Mills, then post-game they take a selfie together! My advice to fans is to watch the game carefully and look for yourself, do not be influenced by the noise and spin that is basically designed to prey on your emotions. If you feel you cannot disconnect from the commentary, turn off the volume and you will experience a completely different game!

There were rumours around last year that some players were glad to see the back of Curnow. They gave it to him during the game but all the 'key' players seemed to have no issue having a hug, and a handshake, and a grin after the game.
Charlie seemed a little emotional.
I'm not sure Charlie's issues were with the playing group so much as with other areas of the club.

Re: AFL Rd 0 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #34 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
Yes, more coach churn is definitely the answer.

Im curious where do you rate our list on a scale from 1-18 -Then do the same with our coach.

I rate our current list 12-14th and our coach 16-17th.    

So why does the coach get a free pass yet we are free to critique players that are not at the required level?

Re: AFL Rd 0 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #35 –
Quote from: Lods – on
There were rumours around last year that some players were glad to see the back of Curnow. They gave it to him during the game but all the 'key' players seemed to have no issue having a hug, and a handshake, and a grin after the game.
Charlie seemed a little emotional.
I'm not sure Charlie's issues were with the playing group so much as with other areas of the club.
I understand that perspective, but the surrounding abhorrent commentary is completely disconnected from reality, win or lose it is ruining the game!

I think part of the problem is that the commentary team, due to the nepotistic nature, is bored with the athleticism and physicality, because as old boys they have done it as a job for years and years for it to become ho hum. So they focus on what titillates them, the bitch laps, the social burns and the emotions, crap most of the public do not give a rat's clacker about. I suspect most of the commentary crew would prefer to watch an episode of MAFS than watch and attend another game of footy!

Gulden tore us a new one and barely a comment about it today, most of the media focusses on Charlie throwing Cripps to the ground, Florent not shaking hands and allegations of spiteful behaviour.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 0 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #36 –
One thing i noticed last night is that Swans had 3 AFL coaches on game day. Cox, Goodwin and Cameron.

Where is the support for Voss? He has been set up to fail.

Re: AFL Rd 0 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #37 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
Yes, more coach churn is definitely the answer.

Paul im as change averse as anyone, but sometimes you have to acknowledge when your coach just doesnt have us on the right trajectory.

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The Swans rammed home 12 goals to four, with the 75 points scored making it the equal third-greatest quarter in terms of points since 1999. It was the AFL's highest-scoring quarter since round six, 2011.

We have had a fairly solid upheaval, but we were without an answer to that and its just not good enough for even the worst side in the AFL.

He has time to fix it, but if you had 10 factors to weigh up when making considerations of Voss future this is one of them.

Like MBB says, lose to Richmond and Voss is well and truly in the gun.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 0 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #38 –
If you go back and watch the replay, you'll find Swans dobbing goals from on or outside the F50 arc, that's a night out and they were on a high.

In contrast we spent most of the first half working into a similar range and failed to score at all, so as I see it the problem wasn't the 3rd quarter, it was the non-scoring first half.

Even BigH refused to pull the trigger on shots from 50m and he can easily cover that distance, Gov ran through CHF and put the footy to the top of the square, we looked indecisive and hesitant, that's a headspace issue not a lack of capability.

Do we have a player who can kick out to the F50 arc, and be running past to receive a handball a split second later before the mark is even set? Because what Gulden did is going to be the new tactic under the current stand rule. A slow kick to advantage, then run your guts out to receive knowing the opposition can't approach that zone without giving away a 50m penalty. By midway through this season every club with runners capable of kicking from FB will be doing this, and to those of us exposed to Gaelic Footy it will seem familiar.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 0 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #39 –
Quote from: frostydog – on
One thing i noticed last night is that Swans had 3 AFL coaches on game day. Cox, Goodwin and Cameron.

Where is the support for Voss? He has been set up to fail.

Mr Simpson is there...I'm sure he'll have some feedback ;)

Re: AFL Rd 0 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #40 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
Quote from: PaulP – on
Yes, more coach churn is definitely the answer.

Paul im as change averse as anyone, but sometimes you have to acknowledge when your coach just doesnt have us on the right trajectory.

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The Swans rammed home 12 goals to four, with the 75 points scored making it the equal third-greatest quarter in terms of points since 1999. It was the AFL's highest-scoring quarter since round six, 2011.

We have had a fairly solid upheaval, but we were without an answer to that and its just not good enough for even the worst side in the AFL.

He has time to fix it, but if you had 10 factors to weigh up when making considerations of Voss future this is one of them.

Like MBB says, lose to Richmond and Voss is well and truly in the gun.

One of the things that is really hurting him is these ridiculous runs other sides get on, often when we've fought hard to get to a comfortable lead.
Sitting back as supporters we get four or five goals in front but it's become almost an expectation that the other side will get a run on and swamp us.
The problem is it's not a new problem and even changing a third of the side has had no effect in overcoming it.

Re: AFL Rd 0 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #41 –
I don't get the doom and gloom. Too many 'throwing out the baby with bathwater' comments here at the mo.

Yes, a horrible 3rd qtr and yes, we didn't capitalize on our first half dominance.

This was the first game in real heat for our 'new' group, coaches included. Need to see the bigger picture and a perspective over weeks, not one game. The bottom line, we're a work in progress after so many changes - whereas the Fluffy Ducks are ready to challenge for a top 4 spot.

Vossy's first words in his media conference were that our intensity dropped in the 3rd and they dialled up their pressure. That's about mental toughness and discipline... issues that still remain. Our new coaches saw, first hand, that vulnerability - get to work, fellas.

The game plan is good, however last night we were a few blokes short on executing it well - Fogarty and Young in particular. An aging Saad has lost his effectiveness. Reidy aint ready for senior footy. They were our bottom four on the night.

Moir needs a breakout game - he's teasingly close. A concern.

We lacked a 'spark' player last night -- the Fluffy Ducks had Papley -- to capitalize on forward entries and bring serious emotion to the forward line - we were a flat forward bunch last night. For mine, our spark players are Frankie Evans and Talor Byrne. These two can also create something out of nothing. Ainsworth is an excellent addition. Kempy fumbled the fck out of the aggot at critical moments but will find his feet and confidence in time  - there were enough promising signs.

Personally, I'd have H as the 2nd ruck, it brings him into the game and will raise his confidence. And Pitto has shown he's no slouch around goals.

And what the fck does going forward with humility, mean... (which I've heard us say)? What a crock of crap. There are wonderful and important places for humility... however going forward in a gladiatorial sport aint one of them. Humility can undermine boldness and even confidence. Be humble in victory, but not in game. Be bold, disciplined, focussed and ruthless in game.





Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 0 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #42 –
Of no comfort at all is the fact that our best scoring quarter was the third. ::)
We kicked 4 to their 12...16 for the quarter in total.

Re: AFL Rd 0 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #43 –
Quote from: Lods – on
Quote from: frostydog – on
One thing i noticed last night is that Swans had 3 AFL coaches on game day. Cox, Goodwin and Cameron.

Where is the support for Voss? He has been set up to fail.

Mr Simpson is there...I'm sure he'll have some feedback ;)

Simmo has made it clear that's really not his game day role, plus, he's only there once a week.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 0 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #44 –
I'm sure he'll have some thoughts...but he may keep them to himself for future reference. ;)