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Re: AFL Rd 0 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #105 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Quote from: Lods – on
Not in terms of ability but certainly in terms of reliability...which is what I stated.
Cerra had 1 bad year with injury. Otherwise he was reliably in the top 10 B+F......which Lord has never reached.

What reliability are you referring to exactly?

He got through 2025 pretty unscathed.
But had 5 hamstring injuries in a 12 month period prior to that.
Out again now with a hamstring.
Is that issue solved or ongoing.
Will he be straight back in or have to spend some time in the VFL.

Just on Jagga...he was good, but there were times that he was also guilty of some rushed and scrappy disposal and easily brushed aside.

Re: AFL Rd 0 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #106 –
Quote from: shawny – on
Quote from: PaulP – on
I would have been interested in hearing Docherty's thoughts on how this could be remedied.

As an aside, I infer from his later clarification that Gorringe aired the message on his phone without a clearance from Doc. Poor form if I'm right.

I think its pretty clear isnt it? Pretty much everything Doc spoke about was coaching based. No plan B. Game plan is Taxing. Can't change when the game opens up and when it does we get smashed.

Been the same thing since Voss arrived. Won 2 finals by the skin of our teeth apart from that havent been close. Not sure Voss is capable of more then what we have seen.      
He's not. First year was good, but we always perform first year for a coach. Since then, bar a 14 weeks purple patch in the 2nd half of 2023 (after we were bottom 4 until then), he has struggled. The game has changed further since 2023, quickened up. Voss seems to have no idea how to evolve as the game evolves. If we don't pull the pin soon we could be on yet another wasted season. No good kicking the opposition for half a game then dying badly on our @rse. Can't believe we were 22pts up then 15 min later 6 goals behind.
 

Re: AFL Rd 0 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #107 –
Quote from: Lods – on
Quote from: kruddler – on

Cerra had 1 bad year with injury. Otherwise he was reliably in the top 10 B+F......which Lord has never reached.

What reliability are you referring to exactly?

He got through 2025 pretty unscathed.
But had 5 hamstring injuries in a 12 month period prior to that.
Out again now with a hamstring.
Is that issue solved or ongoing.
Will he be straight back in or have to spend some time in the VFL.

Just on Jagga...he was good, but there were times that he was also guilty of some rushed and scrappy disposal and easily brushed aside.


In Jagga's case, a few nerves probably kicked in, hence the rushed disposal. That'll soon change.

Re: AFL Rd 0 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #108 –
Quote from: laj – on
In Jagga's case, a few nerves probably kicked in, hence the rushed disposal. That'll soon change.
A 27 disposal first game, not a bad effort for a kid.

For perspective, Gulden was almost through his full second season before he cracked 27+ disposals.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 0 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #109 –

Jagga had a good debut  no doubt. He will improve even more with experience and maturity and the kid will probably end up a champion  but they're young guys  him and Lord...and another two or three years could make a big difference to both of them.
Lord may never be anything but a good footsoldier. I'll back him to at least reach that level...and that may be all we need him to be. We have many premiership players who were good footsoldiers.

Re: AFL Rd 0 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #110 –
Quote from: laj – on
Quote from: Lods – on


He got through 2025 pretty unscathed.
But had 5 hamstring injuries in a 12 month period prior to that.
Out again now with a hamstring.
Is that issue solved or ongoing.
Will he be straight back in or have to spend some time in the VFL.

Just on Jagga...he was good, but there were times that he was also guilty of some rushed and scrappy disposal and easily brushed aside.


In Jagga's case, a few nerves probably kicked in, hence the rushed disposal. That'll soon change.
He had 6 turnovers but thats very forgivable in your 1st full real game and as you say they were rushed kicks due to nerves and some quality opposition who were hunting our players after half time and his comrade senior players and leaders were giving us nothing but donuts during the onslaught so he was on his own and must have wondered what he got himself into.
He is a light bodied player too and was brushed aside at times and thats going to take a couple of preseasons to remedy  and probably why his mate Sam Lalor was picked at No 1 because he was a readymade.

Re: AFL Rd 0 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #111 –
We can talk about these guys until the cows come home, but our issues lie with the following players.

Kemp
Young
McKay
Saad
Mcgovern
Fogarty
In this game cripps
Reidy
Williams

Reidy is the only one finding his feet at the level.  The rest gave us an average performance at best. 

You simply wont win many games when these guys are not among your better performers week in and week out.  Why?  Well, its simply a demographic thing.

Chesser i thought was rubbish in his first hit out with us, but he too but he's got some time up his sleeve.

The others we arent getting enough from as senior players.  Haynes (injured), Newman (injuries), acres, cotters.   Its fine to have older blokes around but you cant get average from the top end of your list.

We are focussing on our 20 year old second and third year players but the reality is its not them letting us down.

Sure be negative about Wilson. Lord (who still racked up a bigger fantasy football score than 3/4 of the team on Thursday) because they arent much better than bentick, but i reckon its the lack of reliable footballers on our list that hurt us. 
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 0 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #112 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
We can talk about these guys until the cows come home, but our issues lie with the following players.

Kemp
Young
McKay
Saad
Mcgovern
Fogarty
In this game cripps
Reidy
Williams
Yep, spot on Thry and of those above, I'd drop Young, Saad, McGovern and Fogarty before I'd even think of Lord getting the chop. 

Re: AFL Rd 0 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #113 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
We can talk about these guys until the cows come home, but our issues lie with the following players.

Kemp
Young
McKay
Saad
Mcgovern
Fogarty
In this game cripps
Reidy
Williams

Yep, trying to do new things with older blokes with bad habits and ignoring the future of the club with promising younguns is just silly... conservative, risk-averse selections.

I disagree with you on H and Kemp. One game is too little a sample size to judge them, yet. Before Kemp did his achilles he was finally beginning to deliver on potential. I still wonder if his best position might not be inside mid. He's strong and quick.

H is a confidence player and will take time. But he'd better get a wriggle on.

Don't know what to do with Williams, to be honest.

I hope Crippa answers his critics. Against the Fluffy Ducks, our midfield was slow, way too slow and taken apart in the 2nd half.

Young, Saad, McGovern and Fogarty are not the future.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 0 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #114 –
Quote from: Baggers – on
I disagree with you on H and Kemp. One game is too little a sample size to judge them, yet. Before Kemp did his achilles he was finally beginning to deliver on potential. I still wonder if his best position might not be inside mid. He's strong and quick.

H is a confidence player and will take time. But he'd better get a wriggle on.

Don't know what to do with Williams, to be honest.
I thought our lot got to where the ball was plenty, but not one of them could go a one grab, Harry Dean embarrassed them with his clean handling of the footy.

Most of our blokes fumbled and bumbled like Mr Bean, and when you are a slower side(relative) that is a poison chalice because that second grab costs all your time and space and delivers extra time and space to the opposition to setup. It's only a step or two, but it makes a huge difference!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 0 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #115 –
Quote from: laj – on
Quote from: shawny – on


I think its pretty clear isnt it? Pretty much everything Doc spoke about was coaching based. No plan B. Game plan is Taxing. Can't change when the game opens up and when it does we get smashed.

Been the same thing since Voss arrived. Won 2 finals by the skin of our teeth apart from that havent been close. Not sure Voss is capable of more then what we have seen.      
He's not. First year was good, but we always perform first year for a coach. Since then, bar a 14 weeks purple patch in the 2nd half of 2023 (after we were bottom 4 until then), he has struggled. The game has changed further since 2023, quickened up. Voss seems to have no idea how to evolve as the game evolves. If we don't pull the pin soon we could be on yet another wasted season. No good kicking the opposition for half a game then dying badly on our @rse. Can't believe we were 22pts up then 15 min later 6 goals behind.

yep sad but true.

He will never get another coaching gig and will be gone by mid season bye imo.

Re: AFL Rd 0 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #116 –
Quote from: LP – on
Quote from: Baggers – on
I disagree with you on H and Kemp. One game is too little a sample size to judge them, yet. Before Kemp did his achilles he was finally beginning to deliver on potential. I still wonder if his best position might not be inside mid. He's strong and quick.

H is a confidence player and will take time. But he'd better get a wriggle on.

Don't know what to do with Williams, to be honest.
I thought our lot got to where the ball was plenty, but not one of them could go a one grab, Harry Dean embarrassed them with his clean handling of the footy.

Most of our blokes fumbled and bumbled like Mr Bean, and when you are a slower side(relative) that is a poison chalice because that second grab costs all your time and space and delivers extra time and space to the opposition to setup. It's only a step or two, but it makes a huge difference!

H took 5 marks. And Weiters, Chesser and Florent took plenty of one grabbers. The delivery to H when up forward (and not running up the wings), was woeful. Cripps and Hewett were chief offenders re inside 50 delivery!
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 0 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #117 –
Quote from: Baggers – on
Quote from: Thryleon – on
We can talk about these guys until the cows come home, but our issues lie with the following players.

Kemp
Young
McKay
Saad
Mcgovern
Fogarty
In this game cripps
Reidy
Williams

Yep, trying to do new things with older blokes with bad habits and ignoring the future of the club with promising younguns is just silly... conservative, risk-averse selections.

I disagree with you on H and Kemp. One game is too little a sample size to judge them, yet. Before Kemp did his achilles he was finally beginning to deliver on potential. I still wonder if his best position might not be inside mid. He's strong and quick.

H is a confidence player and will take time. But he'd better get a wriggle on.

Don't know what to do with Williams, to be honest.

I hope Crippa answers his critics. Against the Fluffy Ducks, our midfield was slow, way too slow and taken apart in the 2nd half.

Young, Saad, McGovern and Fogarty are not the future.

I know why youre disagreeing with me about kemp and McKay, but these guys must lift if our season is going to kick on.

Its not that they were bad, or terrible, they just weren't what you need from the top end of your list.  If you are in that equation, you need to be a top 5 to 10 performer every week.

Harry needs to lift and become a more imposing figure on games.  Kemp too.

If they dont we will struggle, particularly if we concede a winning score in a quarter again.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 0 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #118 –
Wonder if they have his successor already lined up? 😇
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: AFL Rd 0 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney

Reply #119 –
Quote from: shawny – on
Quote from: laj – on
He's not. First year was good, but we always perform first year for a coach. Since then, bar a 14 weeks purple patch in the 2nd half of 2023 (after we were bottom 4 until then), he has struggled. The game has changed further since 2023, quickened up. Voss seems to have no idea how to evolve as the game evolves. If we don't pull the pin soon we could be on yet another wasted season. No good kicking the opposition for half a game then dying badly on our @rse. Can't believe we were 22pts up then 15 min later 6 goals behind.

yep sad but true.

He will never get another coaching gig and will be gone by mid season bye imo.
That loss was squarely on the players (e.g. skipper was the prime offender), they went to water as soon as some pressure was applied. EOS.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership