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Re: AFL Rd 1 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #75
Carlton efficiency into the forward line was 22% from 44 entries, Richmond was 15% from 60 entries.
Our forward line is worse than last season and clearly our defensive skills in the midfield and front half are non existent.
Sam Docherty was on the money regardless of how he got his message across...
EB watching the game form a better vantage  point than last week with the ability to see the entire ground, I felt we set up much better than previously. Our disposal is still bad the times when you need to get out of trouble. I saw Rich players hit target after target and they very rarely rely on dump kicks in hope. We still manage to pull that old chestnut out and 9 times out of 10 seems to go to the opposition (apparently the new term for this is MOOB= mark off opposition boot). There are times when we need to just hold possesion, chip it around abit and control the tempo and we just dont. What term did Voss use? Be humble (or something like that). We were so reckless at times it wasnt funny. They need to taper back with the daring play for a few weeks and focus on basics. There have been a lot of personnel changes so they need to learn to sync together in match situations against real opposition. They'll it out in the coming weeks, starts to seasons are always challenging, thats what Ill hang my hat on for now.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 1 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #76
I think our structure is cactus.  Still haven't settled on the second tall at either end, the small forward options and the smaller defenders, how to use Harry....so WTF  were we doing all PS?
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: AFL Rd 1 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #77
Perspective. We went into that game with everything to lose, and the Tiggers went into the game with nothing to lose.

We were also copping a pile-on from critics, media and disgruntled, loud fans.

We're also changing game style. And positional changes for some.

We're also blooding many newbies.

We also had a few critical passengers, Chesser, Fogarty and Ollie in particular, last night.

When serious pressure comes, individuals and groups, 'resort to type.' For years this has been on display... third qtr debacles the resultant symptom. That's going to take time, plenty of time, to eradicate. Moving from sh*tting yourself under pressure to inviting and being hungry for pressure is a great task and shift. Between the lugholes. I saw a small step forward in that final qtr. The goal would be to thrive on pressure.

I really don't feel as negative as many. We're a work in progress to change many bad habits and create many great habits. This is a new Carlton and a big paradigm shift. Starting again, in some respects. We'll know so much more in a month or two, so, personally my expectations are shelved ...so as to see, objectively, how we're progressing well down the track.

Our boys needed that win, and got it. Yes, a 'great escape' but a win nonetheless. Any side with their collective tails up is hard to beat.
Agree Baggers, I think this group will click eventually, will take time (and I know thats not what people want to hear but thats relaity). We need to get a few players back and weed out the ones that arent the future.
What farken gem Jagga is, he is so quick with hands it frightens me to think if he get any better, with some experience under his belt, how great he can become. Definately something special there.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 1 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #78
Perspective. We went into that game with everything to lose, and the Tiggers went into the game with nothing to lose.

We were also copping a pile-on from critics, media and disgruntled, loud fans.

We're also changing game style. And positional changes for some.

We're also blooding many newbies.

We also had a few critical passengers, Chesser, Fogarty and Ollie in particular, last night.

When serious pressure comes, individuals and groups, 'resort to type.' For years this has been on display... third qtr debacles the resultant symptom. That's going to take time, plenty of time, to eradicate. Moving from sh*tting yourself under pressure to inviting and being hungry for pressure is a great task and shift. Between the lugholes. I saw a small step forward in that final qtr. The goal would be to thrive on pressure.

I really don't feel as negative as many. We're a work in progress to change many bad habits and create many great habits. This is a new Carlton and a big paradigm shift. Starting again, in some respects. We'll know so much more in a month or two, so, personally my expectations are shelved ...so as to see, objectively, how we're progressing well down the track.

Our boys needed that win, and got it. Yes, a 'great escape' but a win nonetheless. Any side with their collective tails up is hard to beat.
I was expecting a big rebound,we had the advantage of already playing one game unlike the Tigers who were having their first hit out. A media pile on should have generated a real response but that lasted a quarter and our second half was putrid.
Celebrating that win vs a bunch of kids and  and carrying on like we were premiers was something a bottom team would do.
Robert Walls would have had the boxing  gloves out this week...it's just hard watching a Carlton team struggling to play a decent brand and now acting like a bottom club as well.

Re: AFL Rd 1 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #79
My Heart rate was not healthy in that last 5 mins 🙄

Im the opposite - i have no fear no expectation anymore.

I know where we sit and any win this season will be hard earnt and apart from the bottom 3 sides of WC, North and Rich we wont be troubling any of the teams above and will be some big hidings as well in this season.

This is basically what ive been saying all b offseason.

People need to lower their expectations this year. Do that and your mental health will thank you.

Some players will improve.
Some players will get worse.
Some players will get injured.
Some players will retire.

Overall, our list is weaker, and all other things being equal, our results will be worse.
Sure a great run with injuries may help, but looking at our current injury list, that looks unlikely.

So expect poor results and youll sleep at night.

Now, doesnt mean we need to blow up the place. With some young additions and extra draft picks banked....i expect to improve in a year or 2.....just not now.

.....that is of course if we can hold our crap together and not blow up the place in the meantime......which im not confident on, but if everyone lowered expectations itd be more likely.

Re: AFL Rd 1 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #80
Can I add one thing, is it me or is the "blind turn" back? Richmond players seemed to do it a lot last night.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 1 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #81
My expectations are about as low as they can go.  There comes point where we have to face the fact that we are a club that will be hammered by top 8 clubs for years to come.

Re: AFL Rd 1 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #82
how Bad is our recruiting first sos and now nick Austin 

Re: AFL Rd 1 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #83
how Bad is our recruiting first sos and now nick Austin 
Is it the recruiting? Is it the coach?, is it both? or is the off field not right so the onfield will never be right?
You never know with Carlton as its a game of snakes and ladders just up and down, no one can be definitive on what is the major problem. As Clarkson recently said its hard to drag a bottomed out club back up the ladder and we have tried or copied every method and now are in the Collingwood premiership year moneyball plan where we have made a number of list changes on the cheap to initiate change of game style in contrast to fellow perennial strugglers Stkilda who have sold the farm to change their fortunes. There doesnt seem to be a one size plan that fits all that guarantees success....

Re: AFL Rd 1 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #84
What a sh1tfest that was.

No-one can be happy with that Z-grade effort.

Thank feck Lynch kicked poorly, they would have pinched if he hadn't.

He was Carlton's best player!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 1 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #85
Just sort of watched the replay here and there as it was nearly as painful as watching a losing games replay. What can you say? Why is it so? Never been so upset at an individual as when fkin Fogarty missed that sitter at the start of the 3rd and then had that stupid smirk on his face. Out of the team next game and out of the club at seasons end.
Usual suspects were good, Walsh, Cripps, George and Jagga. The fact that Jagga is a usual suspect after just 2 games says a lot about the kid. Question. Does anyone know why our reigning B&F only had 67% game time??
Thought the ins were fair to good. Cow and HOK being at the fair end and Carroll being at the good end .
Both of the Hollands have had a 2nd week of poor form. Maybe a change but after a "win" not much changes does it.
One definite out has to be Fogarty.
McGovern did enough to get another game unfortunately, but I won't have Young in the side. Sorry, the fact that he took a mark at the death doesn't hide the fact that he is slow with ball movement, does stupid stuff continually and is not the future.
A couple of critics of Florent, but I thought he was good. Ainsworth is not doing enough. Chesser did more and he's on the cusp of being dropped as well.
Kemp battles hard but is as unreliable a kick at goal as Cripps. Not the answer up forward, but who is? Hayward continues to impress me, which is a great surprise. Didn't rate him,
Weitering, solid but why they hide him playing on no-names when the threat of Lynch blowing the game apart looms, defies any logical reason.
Pittonet continues to thrive without the presence of TDK. No marks this week  :(

Anyway we've got 2 weeks of relaxation, zero stress and a reduced hammering by the media so lets enjoy it

Re: AFL Rd 1 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #86
Perspective. We went into that game with everything to lose, and the Tiggers went into the game with nothing to lose.

We were also copping a pile-on from critics, media and disgruntled, loud fans.

We're also changing game style. And positional changes for some.

We're also blooding many newbies.

We also had a few critical passengers, Chesser, Fogarty and Ollie in particular, last night.

When serious pressure comes, individuals and groups, 'resort to type.' For years this has been on display... third qtr debacles the resultant symptom. That's going to take time, plenty of time, to eradicate. Moving from sh*tting yourself under pressure to inviting and being hungry for pressure is a great task and shift. Between the lugholes. I saw a small step forward in that final qtr. The goal would be to thrive on pressure.

I really don't feel as negative as many. We're a work in progress to change many bad habits and create many great habits. This is a new Carlton and a big paradigm shift. Starting again, in some respects. We'll know so much more in a month or two, so, personally my expectations are shelved ...so as to see, objectively, how we're progressing well down the track.

Our boys needed that win, and got it. Yes, a 'great escape' but a win nonetheless. Any side with their collective tails up is hard to beat.
I was expecting a big rebound,we had the advantage of already playing one game unlike the Tigers who were having their first hit out. A media pile on should have generated a real response but that lasted a quarter and our second half was putrid.
Celebrating that win vs a bunch of kids and  and carrying on like we were premiers was something a bottom team would do.
Robert Walls would have had the boxing  gloves out this week...it's just hard watching a Carlton team struggling to play a decent brand and now acting like a bottom club as well.

Going back to enable moving forward sure is tough to endure as a supporter, especially after years of finals expectations. Seems quite apparent that, at this stage, we do not have finals aspirations.

It seems to me the club has a strategy to move the on-field game into the modern era, after years of falling short for all manner of reasons. The focus is on the 'new' and probably having a good look at the list capable of delivering on this 'new.'

I get that players celebrating enthusiastically an unimpressive win is galling. But understandable to give the group something to feel good about. They need to feel good about themselves, for something, for anything! I'm sure all the players and coaches are not content with the manner of our win for one moment.

After 2 games, we're not contenders. But a lot can change in a long season.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

 

Re: AFL Rd 1 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #87


Im the opposite - i have no fear no expectation anymore.

I know where we sit and any win this season will be hard earnt and apart from the bottom 3 sides of WC, North and Rich we wont be troubling any of the teams above and will be some big hidings as well in this season.

This is basically what ive been saying all b offseason.

People need to lower their expectations this year. Do that and your mental health will thank you.

Some players will improve.
Some players will get worse.
Some players will get injured.
Some players will retire.

Overall, our list is weaker, and all other things being equal, our results will be worse.
Sure a great run with injuries may help, but looking at our current injury list, that looks unlikely.

So expect poor results and youll sleep at night.

Now, doesnt mean we need to blow up the place. With some young additions and extra draft picks banked....i expect to improve in a year or 2.....just not now.

.....that is of course if we can hold our crap together and not blow up the place in the meantime......which im not confident on, but if everyone lowered expectations itd be more likely.

You know that won't happen.
 ;)  :D

The season will go one of two ways.
We'll improve  or by mid season the coach will be informed he won't be requires for 2027.

You see even if we enter the season optimistic we don't necessarily 'lose sleep' or worry excessively over results. It's a whole of season approach. The knowledge that if it goes pear shaped things won't be the same next year with a new coach and a new approach, and we start again...not from scratch, because we have some good youth.

Alternatively things start to gel and after a shaky start we come home like a house on fire.
Lapses become a thing of the past and Voss gets an extension.




Re: AFL Rd 1 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #88
I remember when we used to be a great / feared club and we would win these ugly games everyone was relived and happy.  Now that we are irrelevant and kind of a joke amongst the AFL, we are now complaining about winning. Not sure what to take away from last night except for that we will not be selling the farm to get Cody Walker.

Enough from me.

Re: AFL Rd 1 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #89
What do you mean some time off from a media hammering.... Been non-stop CFC bashing on SEN since the game finished.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?