Carlton Supporters Club

On a positive note, Talor Byrne had a great debut for the club. A great first game. A goal with his first kick after using his body to edge out the Melbourne player and a couple of great bumps to clear the way for a couple of goals. Nice work young man and good luck for the future.

Today was humiliating. There is no other way of describing it. We haven't learnt anything from last year.
[1] There are others who may not agree, but Gawn's game today showed why having a decent ruckman is a necessity. He lifted and dragged his midfield with him. Pitto tried his heart out, but he isn't a top ruck.
HOK has also gone backwards, which doesn't help us at all. Reidy doesn't look like the answer either, although he does, at least, get a few possessions.
We need a top ruck if we are to ever get back to being a contender! We had one but he is no longer at the club!!

[2] Our fitness levels remain suspect. Our 1st quarter was as good as any played this season, but after that ...        Not fitness. Its mental. I remember an interview with Florent after the first game and he said that all the clubs have the same fitness base and that it is more of a mental issue.
This was clear last year, yet we don't appear to have addressed it at all. If anything, we conk our earlier. We've been in front at half time in all of our games, again! Yet, we've won one and were lucky to do so.

[3] Our disposal: Another point we noted last year. Has it improved? Well, I couldn't say yes. Our disposal at times was diabolical. Nothings changed!!

[4] Our decision making also appears no better. Again, it was obvious last year. Nothings changed!!

[5] Our style of play: it was incredibly obvious that we our game style needs work.
(a) We don't stay close enough, or put enough physical pressure on to make a difference. That was so obvious when you looked at Talor Byrne's efforts, which really stood out.
(b) we don't lead and we don't honour a lead. We just fill in the spaces, so there is nowhere to run into. Instead we kick long down the line to a contest, which was so predictable to the opposition that they know what we're doing better than our players do.
(c) Run and carry: after quarter time we barely had any. Melbourne continually had guys open because they ran hard and kicked long. We stopped until everyone was covered before we tried to kick.
(d) We don't run with anybody. Opposition good players feast out on us as nobody picks them up. Pickett doesn't get a kick on a negative player who sticks close to him. But allow him to run around and he kills you!
(e) We kick the ball to the opposition's netter players instead of to ours. The number of times we kicked the ball to Gawn was ghastly!

[6] Psychological help: we clearly need it, as we lack belief. We don't think quickly. We make poor decisions. Most of that can be cured if we have faith in our teammates. We don't. We really need to have this self-belief if we are to improve.

[7] Leadership: we really are missing a fair bit there. Our 'leaders' don't go the extra mile. When things get hard, they don't stand up. Melbourne's leaders really stood up when it was needed. Ours did not. We cannot afford that.

I don not think Voss will be coaching us next year. No matter how well he might speak, his tenure has been one of lack of leadership, being unable to run out games, not being able to react to changes and not improving our game plan.
I don't know who our next coach may be, but we need one. We have issues that need addressing and Voss isn't doing the job.

You can see at the ground we were tired towards the end of half time.

We lack fitness.

I have lost confidence in the coaches.

I wish it werent so but insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

We did absolutely nothing to curb the momentum shift. Sure its on the players out there mostly but they are being directed. Why are we sticking to something that is continually not working?

A beautiful Melbourne day today, 42 pts up in the first quarter. And every Carlton supporter knew exactly what would happen. If i as a 50yo up in the stand never having played a game in my life could see it unfolding in front of me, how do the multiple
Coaches not? When a team gets a run on, not once do we do something to negate it. We just continue on ‘stick to the plan’.

Well the fking plan sucks and every single supporter is sick of watching that crap.

I have lost confidence in the coaches.

I wish it werent so but insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

We did absolutely nothing to curb the momentum shift. Sure its on the players out there mostly but they are being directed. Why are we sticking to something that is continually not working?

A beautiful Melbourne day today, 42 pts up in the first quarter. And every Carlton supporter knew exactly what would happen. If i as a 50yo up in the stand never having played a game in my life could see it unfolding in front of me, how do the multiple
Coaches not? When a team gets a run on, not once do we do something to negate it. We just continue on ‘stick to the plan’.

Well the fking plan sucks and every single supporter is sick of watching that crap.

Respectfully Micky, how do we know the coaches did nothing to curb the momentum? I know what the players didnt do because that as plain as the nose on my face to see. I saw the player opposed to Kosi at the centre ball up lose touch with him far too easily because he gave him way too much space. I would much rather he gave away the frees for holding than let him stream out. I saw lots of attention to detail by the players missing when the game ramped up. I saw no leadership from the senior players. I  saw players man and ball watching. The above costs you games and careers. The coach also mentioned in the presser about not sticking to roles.

Quote from: MickyO – on March 29, 2026, 11:16:38 pm

I have lost confidence in the coaches.

I wish it werent so but insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

We did absolutely nothing to curb the momentum shift. Sure its on the players out there mostly but they are being directed. Why are we sticking to something that is continually not working?

A beautiful Melbourne day today, 42 pts up in the first quarter. And every Carlton supporter knew exactly what would happen. If i as a 50yo up in the stand never having played a game in my life could see it unfolding in front of me, how do the multiple
Coaches not? When a team gets a run on, not once do we do something to negate it. We just continue on ‘stick to the plan’.

Well the fking plan sucks and every single supporter is sick of watching that crap.

Respectfully Micky, how do we know the coaches did nothing to curb the momentum? I know what the players didnt do because that as plain as the nose on my face to see. I saw the player opposed to Kosi at the centre ball up lose touch with him far too easily because he gave him way too much space. I would much rather he gave away the frees for holding than let him stream out. I saw lots of attention to detail by the players missing when the game ramped up. I saw no leadership from the senior players. I  saw players man and ball watching. The above costs you games and careers. The coach also mentioned in the presser about not sticking to roles.

Quote from: Gointocarlton – on Today at 08:10:16 am

Respectfully Micky, how do we know the coaches did nothing to curb the momentum? I know what the players didnt do because that as plain as the nose on my face to see. I saw the player opposed to Kosi at the centre ball up lose touch with him far too easily because he gave him way too much space. I would much rather he gave away the frees for holding than let him stream out. I saw lots of attention to detail by the players missing when the game ramped up. I saw no leadership from the senior players. I  saw players man and ball watching. The above costs you games and careers. The coach also mentioned in the presser about not sticking to roles.

It's a circular argument though isn't it.
Players v Coach

If the players aren't following instructions.
If they're failing to man up.
If the leadership is lacking.
If players aren't sticking to their roles.
Does that not point to a disconnect between players and coach.
What are the consequences?

Does Voss make a statement and drop a couple of high profile players.
What are the consequences of that especially given the increasing pressure that multiple fade-outs have placed on the club?

Maybe best to go down fighting...play the players who show the fight and a bit of mongrel.
So that would be Byrne, Evans and ....
Lord was probably missed but wouldn't have made a huge difference.

It seems to me we have a number of players clearly out of form.
I thought Kemp was terrible yesterday...but he has missed a year of football.
A spell in the VFL may be what he needs just at the moment.
Get him to make a case there for reinstatement.
He's not impacting either forward or back and is a bit in no-man's land in terms of his career.

Cripps is being 'passed by' because of the way the game is being played at present. He looks frustrated. That may resolve if the game settles down as the year progresses, but that doesn't seem to be the case anytime soon.

Young cops plenty of criticism, but he seems to always draw the better forwards...the thinking is probably to free Weitering up as an interceptor but Young suffers in comparison. Young copped it again yesterday and made a couple of poor decisions but also did some good things especially with his marking. It was a mixed bag.
Ideally I'd like to see him play forward and provide the second ruck option. Both O'Keefe and Reidy are not impacting enough. The problem is Harry Dean seemed to hurt himself and Haynes reportedly suffered an injury in the VFL so it might be Lewis stays and stays as a backman.

McKay is getting plenty of ball...but not plenty of goals.
Flynn Young on the other hand, is among the goals in the VFL so maybe gets a game next week.

In short, too many players playing half a game or well below their best football.

Quote from: Lods – on Today at 08:56:47 am

It's a circular argument though isn't it.
Players v Coach

If the players aren't following instructions.
If they're failing to man up.
If the leadership is lacking.
If players aren't sticking to their roles.
Does that not point to a disconnect between players and coach.
What are the consequences?

Does Voss make a statement and drop a couple of high profile players.
What are the consequences of that especially given the increasing pressure that multiple fade-outs have placed on the club?

Maybe best to go down fighting...play the players who show the fight and a bit of mongrel.
So that would be Byrne, Evans and ....
Lord was probably missed but wouldn't have made a huge difference.

It seems to me we have a number of players clearly out of form.
I thought Kemp was terrible yesterday...but he has missed a year of football.
A spell in the VFL may be what he needs just at the moment.
Get him to make a case there for reinstatement.
He's not impacting either forward or back and is a bit in no-man's land in terms of his career.

Cripps is being 'passed by' because of the way the game is being played at present. He looks frustrated. That may resolve if the game settles down as the year progresses, but that doesn't seem to be the case anytime soon.

Young cops plenty of criticism, but he seems to always draw the better forwards...the thinking is probably to free Weitering up as an interceptor but Young suffers in comparison. Young copped it again yesterday and made a couple of poor decisions but also did some good things especially with his marking. It was a mixed bag.
Ideally I'd like to see him play forward and provide the second ruck option. Both O'Keefe and Reidy are not impacting enough. The problem is Harry Dean seemed to hurt himself and Haynes reportedly suffered an injury in the VFL so it might be Lewis stays and stays as a backman.

McKay is getting plenty of ball...but not plenty of goals.
Flynn Young on the other hand, is among the goals in the VFL so maybe gets a game next week.

In short, too many players playing half a game or well below their best football.

Swap kemp and young.

Sure kemp isnt a gorrilla minder, but kemp makes better decisions with ball in hand.  At one point yesterday in the 3rd quarter, it was lewis young intercepts, and then kicked it to ollie hollands, and I had no faith that ball was going to our advantage next.

I look for some constructive things in there usually but aside from ignoring the easy option and taking difficult kicks on that were low percentage, thats all I could really see.  Numerous times we ignored the short option that was in the clear to kick to a contest, which is what Voss alluded to in his post match presser.  We have some pretty ordinary habits on this front.  I can excuse a kick that was going to the right place, that misses the target, as thats an execution issue.  The poor option that I saw on too many occasions...  Thats a calm head under pressure option that needs to be sorted.