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Re: AFL Rd 4 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #105 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Quote from: Lods – on
Not sure if it's been mentioned but Hayward has been given a week for his hit on Wardlaw.
Probably save himself  and the club the embarrassment of dropping him...

solves the question...Who makes way for Flynn Young.?

Re: AFL Rd 4 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #107 –
Quote from: RiverRat – on
McKay is a shadow of his former self:
He struggles to take an overhead mark without juggling the ball at least once.
He fails to get separation from a defender on the lead.
Even when he does get some decent foot passes to his advantage, he seems to be unable to use his considerable body size and reach to prevent an opponent from spoiling from behind.
He remains an unreliable kick for goal.

Might as well use him as a back up ruckman to allow him to try and regain some one-grab overhead marking.

I agree. He has no presence at all. Like so many of his forward mates he has no forward craft - its like hes brain is incapable of anything beyond the very basics. He plays like an u12s kid. if he wasn’t physically gifted not a chance he makes it as an afl
footballer.

All the little things any decent AFL forward does naturally he just cant do it. And the amount of times he is flat footed in a marking contest where by jumping with his height would make it almost impossible for and opponent to get to it but he stays down.

Then when he gets a shot it literally could go anyway as he has no set goal kicking routine.

Hes a dumb footballer like the bulk of the team.

i would trade him if i could get anything decent in return - resigning him was another list management stuff up.

Re: AFL Rd 4 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #108 –
Quote from: Lods – on
Regarding not replacing the 'topliners'.

Serious question....
With who?
Who would we have taken in the last draft/trade period to replace them.

You can make a good case for not developing the repalcements long term.
But when DeKoning (expected), Silvagni (unexpected) and Curnow (umming and ahhing) decided to leave who should we have replaced them with.

To answer my own question...
In hindsight we should have wrapped up that Buku Khamis deal.
He wanted to come to us, he would have been handy.

Re: AFL Rd 4 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #109 –
Quote from: Professer E – on
Hayward was particularly poor and needs to be the coaches office at 9 am Monday to explain himself and his actions.  I'd drop him, publicly, because he needs an attitude re-set.
Suspended for a week. I'd start him back in the VFL.
Live Long and Prosper!

Re: AFL Rd 4 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #110 –
I must confess that I really don't see any useful point in, "If only we had Charlie, JSOS and TDK." We don't have them any longer. Right, wrong, good, bad... they aint at PP.

Seems to me the club had the long game in mind, bringing in draft picks and stopgap players when trading/letting go those 3... that's their strategy it seems and it'll be some time before they can be judged on that.

We have to work with what we have and so far this, in every game, we've been in winning positions... so, talent wise, we can do it, but then we blow it. Not easy to create cohesion between so many new blokes in 4 games!

Talk of sacking the coach is silly. Who is going to take his place? Ash Hansen **cough, splutter**? Patience Grasshopper.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 4 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #111 –
Quote from: Baggers – on
I must confess that I really don't see any useful point in, "If only we had Charlie, JSOS and TDK." We don't have them any longer. Right, wrong, good, bad... they aint at PP.

Seems to me the club had the long game in mind, bringing in draft picks and stopgap players when trading/letting go those 3... that's their strategy it seems and it'll be some time before they can be judged on that.

We have to work with what we have and so far this, in every game, we've been in winning positions... so, talent wise, we can do it, but then we blow it. Not easy to create cohesion between so many new blokes in 4 games!

Talk of sacking the coach is silly. Who is going to take his place? Ash Hansen **cough, splutter**? Patience Grasshopper.
Didnt think we were in a winning position vs the Swans, I remember the great David Parkin Carlton sides used to play the premiership quarter(usually the third) and blow teams away much like the Swans did to us. The other teams have all been of the poorer variety bottom end and the football of a substandard nature which to me is the more worrying part.

Re: AFL Rd 4 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #112 –
Quote from: Lods – on
Regarding not replacing the 'topliners'.

Serious question....
With who?
Who would we have taken in the last draft/trade period to replace them.

You can make a good case for not developing the repalcements long term.
But when DeKoning (expected), Silvagni (unexpected) and Curnow (umming and ahhing) decided to leave who should we have replaced them with.

He has been the list manager for 6 years. Other clubs have recruited players. A few here had a laugh at Hawthorn getting Barrass and Battle despite having Frost and Sicily. They improved their defence.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 4 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #113 –
Quote from: Baggers – on
I must confess that I really don't see any useful point in, "If only we had Charlie, JSOS and TDK." We don't have them any longer. Right, wrong, good, bad... they aint at PP.

Seems to me the club had the long game in mind, bringing in draft picks and stopgap players when trading/letting go those 3... that's their strategy it seems and it'll be some time before they can be judged on that.

We have to work with what we have and so far this, in every game, we've been in winning positions... so, talent wise, we can do it, but then we blow it. Not easy to create cohesion between so many new blokes in 4 games!

Talk of sacking the coach is silly. Who is going to take his place? Ash Hansen **cough, splutter**? Patience Grasshopper.

Didn't say that. Said we didn't replace them.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 4 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #114 –
Quote from: Baggers – on
Seems to me the club had the long game in mind...

Yeah, their long game is 25+ years and counting.

As best as i can tell their best option is to hope all 18 other teams fold.

Re: AFL Rd 4 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #115 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
Quote from: Lods – on
Regarding not replacing the 'topliners'.

Serious question....
With who?
Who would we have taken in the last draft/trade period to replace them.

You can make a good case for not developing the repalcements long term.
But when DeKoning (expected), Silvagni (unexpected) and Curnow (umming and ahhing) decided to leave who should we have replaced them with.

He has been the list manager for 6 years. Other clubs have recruited players. A few here had a laugh at Hawthorn getting Barrass and Battle despite having Frost and Sicily. They improved their defence.


That's not what I'm asking
Put your list managers hat on give us three names we should have replaced TDK, Silvagni or Curnow with.

You can argue we didn't plan ahead in case they departed.
You can't argue we did nothing to replace them when they were gone, or looked like going, unless you can suggest some players we should have picked up.
I've given Khamis for Silvagni,that may even have been a win for us, but the Curnow deal got in the way.
Who for TDK and Curnow.

Re: AFL Rd 4 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #116 –
Quote from: Lods – on
Quote from: madbluboy – on


He has been the list manager for 6 years. Other clubs have recruited players. A few here had a laugh at Hawthorn getting Barrass and Battle despite having Frost and Sicily. They improved their defence.


That's not what I'm asking
Put your list managers hat on give us three names we should have replaced TDK, Silvagni or Curnow with.

You can argue we didn't plan ahead in case they departed.
You can't argue we did nothing to replace them when they were gone, or looked like going, unless you can suggest some players we should have picked up.
I've given Khamis for Silvagni,that may even have been a win for us, but the Curnow deal got in the way.
Who for TDK and Curnow.

*Ding ding ding*

That aside...we shouldve pried someone out of gold coast when they were interested in charlie. Either king or the kid whose name escapes me right now.

Or if we insisted on sydney, got amartey back. Far from a gun replacement, but bwtter than steak knives florent.

Re: AFL Rd 4 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #117 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Quote from: Lods – on



That's not what I'm asking
Put your list managers hat on give us three names we should have replaced TDK, Silvagni or Curnow with.

You can argue we didn't plan ahead in case they departed.
You can't argue we did nothing to replace them when they were gone, or looked like going, unless you can suggest some players we should have picked up.
I've given Khamis for Silvagni,that may even have been a win for us, but the Curnow deal got in the way.
Who for TDK and Curnow.

*Ding ding ding*

That aside...we shouldve pried someone out of gold coast when they were interested in charlie. Either king or the kid whose name escapes me right now.

Or if we insisted on sydney, got amartey back. Far from a gun replacement, but bwtter than steak knives florent.

Florent wasn't part of the Curnow trade.
It was done independently


But therin lies the problem....both those options are reasonable suggestions.
But if we made them, what was the response of the other side.
Did we make them, who knows?
We can suggest trades but it takes two sides to agree on them.
So the "We did nothing" only applies when these details are made public.

Re: AFL Rd 4 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #118 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Quote from: Baggers – on
Seems to me the club had the long game in mind...

Yeah, their long game is 25+ years and counting.

As best as i can tell their best option is to hope all 18 other teams fold.
🤣🤔
 

Re: AFL Rd 4 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #119 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Quote from: Baggers – on
Seems to me the club had the long game in mind...

Yeah, their long game is 25+ years and counting.

As best as i can tell their best option is to hope all 18 other teams fold.

 :))  :)) Yep, I had a good laugh too... but the point remains that the long game is 2027/8 and beyond. As supporters, we're impatient for success ...right now. Yours truly included. With the appointment of Vossy we were meant to make it to the top of the tree... but never really have looked like it. Perhaps a glimmer in 2023... and that's it. And remember that in 2023, the players met without coaches and took charge themselves... with impressive results.

Vossy commented at the 2025 JNM that we "culturally defeat ourselves." As one of the most important leaders at the club, Vossy should ask himself, "How did I participate in, or allow, that?" It happened on your watch, Vossy... after four years at the helm. Mmm... full length mirror time.

Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17