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Re: AFL Rd 8 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #90 –
If you haven't read this article it's a good read.

The ABC boys often offer something different to 95% of the AFL media and that's some actual analysis

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-04-02/explaining-carlton-infamous-second-half-fade-outs/106525364

I am not one to blame the Coach, however the MC has to take some responsibility for a side that has no problem developing and executing a game plan that puts them in a position to win the game.

The same group of players with the same ability can't execute in the 2nd half.   Fitness?   Taxing game style may all play a part, but the coaching team has to be right up there.



Re: AFL Rd 8 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #91 –
There's clearly a S and C issue that has largely escaped criticism.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: AFL Rd 8 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #92 –
Quote from: Shakin77 – on
If you haven't read this article it's a good read.

The ABC boys often offer something different to 95% of the AFL media and that's some actual analysis

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-04-02/explaining-carlton-infamous-second-half-fade-outs/106525364

I am not one to blame the Coach, however the MC has to take some responsibility for a side that has no problem developing and executing a game plan that puts them in a position to win the game.

The same group of players with the same ability can't execute in the 2nd half.   Fitness?   Taxing game style may all play a part, but the coaching team has to be right up there.

Nice shakin, albeit a month too late.

I'm buoyed by some of the analysis coming out. Anyone who looks deeper than the win/loss record seems to be coming to the same conclusion, thats its not voss who is to blame.

Interesting to highlight that the new ball movement is the responsibility of Fraser (not voss) and that the reason its failing is player based.

We all know we love a contest.
We all know we are big and slow.
We all know we cant kick.

I find it somewhat ironic that our gameplan is very much in the same mould as Malthouse who was 'over the hill and outdated'. Yet its still works today.
That is, get the ball forward. Create the contest and back yourself in to win the contest. Defend in forward half as much as possible.

We just need fitter and/or more disciplined players to execute it. Having fitter and faster players helps the plan and obviously turning it over less and kicking more accurately will help any plan.

In the meantime, we just gotta find 23 blokes who are team oriented and disciplined enough to not ruin it for the rest of them.

It highlights why an out of sorts elijah can cause havoc for the whole team too.

Re: AFL Rd 8 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #93 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Jack Reiwoldt scathing of Harry and also suggesting Cody Walker will be considering Richmond and planting a seed of doubt by talking about it on Fox.
Jack Riewoldt is a clown. If he'd been at the VFL game and seen what Cody did, he wouldn't have bothered saying something that moronic. After all, why should he go to Richmond, who can't keep their kids from being injured! And there is no certainty that they will develop into the team they want.
Live Long and Prosper!
 

Re: AFL Rd 8 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #94 –
Yea mean Jack the squealer? The bloke who spent half of every game appealing to umpires and normally getting rewarded for it?
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: AFL Rd 8 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #95 –
I sat near the bench and I think it was late in the second quarter acripps came off completely gassed, sat down for about 2 seconds got back up and went straight back on the ground.

1. He was exhausted
2. It was a waste of an interchange.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 8 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #96 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Quote from: Shakin77 – on
If you haven't read this article it's a good read.

The ABC boys often offer something different to 95% of the AFL media and that's some actual analysis

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-04-02/explaining-carlton-infamous-second-half-fade-outs/106525364

I am not one to blame the Coach, however the MC has to take some responsibility for a side that has no problem developing and executing a game plan that puts them in a position to win the game.

The same group of players with the same ability can't execute in the 2nd half.   Fitness?   Taxing game style may all play a part, but the coaching team has to be right up there.

Nice shakin, albeit a month too late.

I'm buoyed by some of the analysis coming out. Anyone who looks deeper than the win/loss record seems to be coming to the same conclusion, thats its not voss who is to blame.








11 wins from 40. Win/losses are everything for established sides like us

Game these days is more run and transition. Hence we are getting so many scores over 100. We go nowhere near 100. We still base our game on contested, crash and bash. We fatigue and sides run over us. As EB says, we play a neanderthal game plan while others have moved on. Once sides start running over us we often give up. Now, if we had a coach who could coach the modern game we might not be 11 wins from 40, and 1-7 this year. Win/losses are everything. We played finals 31 games ago. Must've done a good job getting there with no talent....lol. we sat 2nd 8 weeks before that with no talent. That was one of those 29 losses in the 40. But to the spinners that's ok though. Brisbane away, should be 11 wins from 41.

Nice try at spin though

Re: AFL Rd 8 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #97 –
Quote from: Baggers – on
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
In the third qtr, 6 players laid 1 tackle each. 17 players didnt lay a tackle. EOS.




Begs the question... Why?

Because someone just mentioned the reason earlier in this thread.........   the players don't want the coach there......  
I bought this up in a post about a year ago,  and so far this year it just reinforces what I said  then   -   there is a definite disconnect between MV and the playing group.   Also,  I don't know  if the entire playing group are connected too,  that may be a separate issue.      We have some talent in the developing list,  we've seen them competitive almost weekly,  but they too easily become dispirited, disinterested and destabilised.    They are not playing for this coach,  it's pretty obvious.    MV should not take all the blame,  there seems to be things going on behind the scenes we don't know about - is my guess.    The silence from GW and CFC is deafening  -  MV will fall first, rightly or wrongly -  I'm certain they are working on this currently and will move when the time is right - if there is such a thing....    IF some senior players are rocking the boat, then GW  hopefully sorts that out also...    
CHANGE is needed.


Re: AFL Rd 8 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #98 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Jack Reiwoldt scathing of Harry and also suggesting Cody Walker will be considering Richmond and planting a seed of doubt by talking about it on Fox.

I thought Jack's comments on H were valid.

I laughed when he suggested the Tiggers should have another crack at Cody. None of his co-commentators took the bait... we all saw it for what it was... mischievous, and... silly. But, hey, if the shoe was on the other foot, we'd give it a try as well! Nice try, Jack, you little scallywag, you  ;)
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 8 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #99 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Quote from: Shakin77 – on
If you haven't read this article it's a good read.

The ABC boys often offer something different to 95% of the AFL media and that's some actual analysis

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-04-02/explaining-carlton-infamous-second-half-fade-outs/106525364

I am not one to blame the Coach, however the MC has to take some responsibility for a side that has no problem developing and executing a game plan that puts them in a position to win the game.

The same group of players with the same ability can't execute in the 2nd half.   Fitness?   Taxing game style may all play a part, but the coaching team has to be right up there.
In the meantime, we just gotta find 23 blokes who are team oriented and disciplined enough to not ruin it for the rest of them.
It highlights why an out of sorts elijah can cause havoc for the whole team too.

What! That's the ticket, guilt-trip the kid. Nice work.

What I saw was Elijah's situation galvanize the playing group and club (as it should) into universal and overwhelming care, love and support. A positive net effect for all concerned.

Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 8 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #100 –
Quote from: Shakin77 – on
If you haven't read this article it's a good read.

The ABC boys often offer something different to 95% of the AFL media and that's some actual analysis

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-04-02/explaining-carlton-infamous-second-half-fade-outs/106525364

I am not one to blame the Coach, however the MC has to take some responsibility for a side that has no problem developing and executing a game plan that puts them in a position to win the game.

The same group of players with the same ability can't execute in the 2nd half.   Fitness?   Taxing game style may all play a part, but the coaching team has to be right up there.

It seems to me they're being asked to play a style of game that they are not capable of sustaining.
And when it goes bad, there is no alternative.

That must be terribly frustrating for the playing group.

Do you try to fit the group into the plan, or do you fit the plan to the group?

Re: AFL Rd 8 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #101 –
Quote from: Lods – on
Quote from: Shakin77 – on
If you haven't read this article it's a good read.

The ABC boys often offer something different to 95% of the AFL media and that's some actual analysis

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-04-02/explaining-carlton-infamous-second-half-fade-outs/106525364

I am not one to blame the Coach, however the MC has to take some responsibility for a side that has no problem developing and executing a game plan that puts them in a position to win the game.

The same group of players with the same ability can't execute in the 2nd half.   Fitness?   Taxing game style may all play a part, but the coaching team has to be right up there.

It seems to me they're being asked to play a style of game that they are not capable of sustaining.
And when it goes bad, there is no alternative.

That must be terribly frustrating for the playing group.

Do you try to fit the group into the plan, or do you fit the plan to the group?
This is all well and good but what doesn't gell with me is this. Both when Voss started and last off season (when the new assistant coaches were appointed), the coaches and playing group sat down together and devised a way they wanted to play. ie the way the players wanted to play. They came up with the game plan or style based on that feedback and player buy in. Now all of a sudden, the players cant do it, its unsustainable, they dont get along with the coach, WTF is going on here?  Either Voss is a complete BS artist (re his comments about sitting down with the players) or the tail is wagging the dog when it gets too hard...again.
I'm no dill, its a win loss business and Carlton will do Carlton things and the coach always gets it in the neck so given where we are at, a change will be made. But there are underlying problems that need addressing once and for all which if they arent, we will have having these same threads and discussions in 1,2,3 years time. Nothing surer.
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership
2026-Slow start, we can kick after all, why not?

Re: AFL Rd 8 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #102 –
Quote from: Baggers – on
Quote from: kruddler – on

In the meantime, we just gotta find 23 blokes who are team oriented and disciplined enough to not ruin it for the rest of them.
It highlights why an out of sorts elijah can cause havoc for the whole team too.

What! That's the ticket, guilt-trip the kid. Nice work.

What I saw was Elijah's situation galvanize the playing group and club (as it should) into universal and overwhelming care, love and support. A positive net effect for all concerned.

When he reads this ill apologise to him, until then I'm standing by it.

1 man down in a team defense will bring the while thing down. It cant happen.

Whether its a legitimate reason, elijah, or whether it's someone who simply CBF, the result is the same.

Re: AFL Rd 8 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #103 –
Quote from: MickyO – on
Will Dean get rubbed out for that push? Hes young he should t have done it, but gee he plays with some vigour 💪🏼
Seen that happen 100 times before and no free kick or fuss made over it.

Re: AFL Rd 8 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #104 –
Nah that was a dog act.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!