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Re: AFL Rd 16 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #45 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
I'd love to know what Davies and Wright are thinking right about now.
If you search for it there was an interview with Davies just late last week, I think it was either SEN or Fox Footy, that had Davies basically ruling a line through Fraser stating he has some deficiencies and is not yet ready for senior coaching.

What's interesting to me is that this raises the question, why then is the current setup working? Is it on the players, or is a less autocratic model perhaps the real solution, a solution that most in the AFL can't accept?

We can't know, but I truly suspect Davies comments indicate that at the moment the weekly result is an unsustainable team effort, who'd have thunk it?

To me that's old world thinking, corporate mentality, the opposite of war, and it flies in the face of the concept that a champion team defeats a team of champions. The most effective unit in the military is the small independant unit SAS model, the opposite of Trump's war on Iran, smart and agile is better than overwhelmingly powerful.

AFL is war, break the game down into a set of small independant battles to win, and you are well on the way to victory in any circumstance!

"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 16 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #46 –
I watched the replay this morning, we played well in moments but were too comfortable about it, like we could pick and choose when to go hard. It's a horrible mindset to have, it sets you up for failure on the biggest stage, we'll be the team who could have if we had chosen to!

Back in our glory days, the era of Dominator and Doull, we never let up, we went harder at it for longer than the opposition and set a standard that intimidated opposition. It become a meme in our 3rd quarters, and ear worm for the opposition that they could not escape. But make no mistake about it, it was driven by the likes of Dominator and Doull, who hit the playing surface every week wishing to obliterate the opponents, not just have a well-managed win.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 16 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #47 –
I think the current setup is working because the players are less mentally burdened, and because Fraser the Amazer has taken 2.5-3 quarter good efforts and turned them into 3.5-4 quarter efforts. He deserves credit for that. However it's completely inaccurate to think that one individual (an inexperience caretaker coach no less) can take an entire organization from zero to hero in seven days, and keep it going for 6 weeks. There's no way that can be true. A football club is massive, with significant inertia and investment in training loads and methods, personnel, game style etc.

I still have my doubts about Wright and Davies.

Re: AFL Rd 16 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #48 –
Quote from: LP – on
I watched the replay this morning, we played well in moments but were too comfortable about it, like we could pick and choose when to go hard. It's a horrible mindset to have, it sets you up for failure on the biggest stage, we'll be the team who could have if we had chosen to!

That probably expresses what I was thinking a I was watching.
It was like we knew we had their measure and just needed to tighten the screws every now and then to keep them in their place.

It one of the reasons I wouldn't be too perturbed if we had a 'down' match just to shock them back into the mindset to keep the pressure on.

As for Fraser....we need to play out the season.
See how he responds in the tough games or losses that may still be ahead of us.
If at the end he decides to put himself through the process both he and the club will have a much better idea if he really is our guy.

Don't take any notice of the 'not ready' comments either from the club or Fraser.
In fact don't' take a lot of notice of any comments around the change.
Everything is very vague..."we haven't changed a lot"
"Simplified" seems to be a buzzword.
I'm not even sure what that means.


Re: AFL Rd 16 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #49 –
Quote from: LP – on
I watched the replay this morning, we played well in moments but were too comfortable about it, like we could pick and choose when to go hard. It's a horrible mindset to have, it sets you up for failure on the biggest stage, we'll be the team who could have if we had chosen to!

Back in our glory days, the era of Dominator and Doull, we never let up, we went harder at it for longer than the opposition and set a standard that intimidated opposition. It become a meme in our 3rd quarters, and ear worm for the opposition that they could not escape. But make no mistake about it, it was driven by the likes of Dominator and Doull, who hit the playing surface every week wishing to obliterate the opponents, not just have a well-managed win.
Different game then - much more stop and start.  These days there is relentless pressure of fatigue associated with the game style.

Re: AFL Rd 16 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #50 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
I think the current setup is working because the players are less mentally burdened, and because Fraser the Amazer has taken 2.5-3 quarter good efforts and turned them into 3.5-4 quarter efforts. He deserves credit for that. However it's completely inaccurate to think that one individual (an inexperience caretaker coach no less) can take an entire organization from zero to hero in seven days, and keep it going for 6 weeks. There's no way that can be true. A football club is massive, with significant inertia and investment in training loads and methods, personnel, game style etc.

I still have my doubts about Wright and Davies.
Everyone I have spoken to with connections to AFL clubs and in particular Coll and Haw, tell me Wright is a jet and knows what he is doing and his track record is proven. The fact he was hand picked and anointed by Cook is enough for me.
I have no intel on Davies but from what I have seen and heard from him, he seems knowledgeable and  impressive.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 16 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #51 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Everyone I have spoken to with connections to AFL clubs and in particular Coll and Haw, tell me Wright is a jet and knows what he is doing and his track record is proven. The fact he was hand picked and anointed by Cook is enough for me.
I have no intel on Davies but from what I have seen and heard from him, he seems knowledgeable and  impressive.

I hope that's true. We need the whole club firing on all cylinders if we're going to be consistently successful.

Re: AFL Rd 16 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #52 –
Great team effort - everyone contributed in some way - although I paid about scant attention after the long break.

Pleasing that we won every quarter and that when WC got to ~20 points in the third, we improved and fought back.  Amazing what happens when there is confidence within the team.

Don't get too carried away - while you can only beat your opposition, it was only WC - although nice to have a 9 goal win.

Re: AFL Rd 16 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #53 –
I wonder how we sit now on that 'quarters won' table that was floating around before we were good.
 

Re: AFL Rd 16 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #54 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Quote from: PaulP – on
I think the current setup is working because the players are less mentally burdened, and because Fraser the Amazer has taken 2.5-3 quarter good efforts and turned them into 3.5-4 quarter efforts. He deserves credit for that. However it's completely inaccurate to think that one individual (an inexperience caretaker coach no less) can take an entire organization from zero to hero in seven days, and keep it going for 6 weeks. There's no way that can be true. A football club is massive, with significant inertia and investment in training loads and methods, personnel, game style etc.

I still have my doubts about Wright and Davies.
Everyone I have spoken to with connections to AFL clubs and in particular Coll and Haw, tell me Wright is a jet and knows what he is doing and his track record is proven. The fact he was hand picked and anointed by Cook is enough for me.
I have no intel on Davies but from what I have seen and heard from him, he seems knowledgeable and  impressive.

Wright may have been a good list manager but he’s never been a CEO before.  There’s also the matter of him walking away from Collingwood because he had issues with Kelly.  That may well be a positive but he doesn’t have a track record as a CEO or long term football administrator.  He may well be brilliant, and I hope he is, but the jury is still out.

I have a lot more faith in Davies who does have a proven track record as footy manager.
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