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Re: NAB Challenge RD 2 : Carlton V Adelaide (Prior Poncing & Punting)

Reply #150 –
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it is actually embarrassing to watch him out there against real footballers.

This.

From what I gather the lad is still barely serviceable in the 2s. Why play him in the 1s at this point?!  ??? ???
Finals, then 4 in a row!

Re: NAB Challenge RD 2 : Carlton V Adelaide (Prior Poncing & Punting)

Reply #151 –
I don't think it was my blue glasses last night, but did we get Rogered by the umps? People have said about Kruezer taking marks, but how many time was he hit in the back of the head? How many time was Waite or Casboult held while going for the mark, push in the back by a Crows guy that lead directly to a goal, the high tackles called while a Crows player was burying himself into the armpit of our tacklers yet Murphy ducked under a tackle twice and was smacked in the face.

Umpiring is not rewarding the hard tackle, when Bell got pinged for a throw he would have been better off just letting the ball go as it was hardly called, rather than puching it away as it fell from his hands.

Positives - Cripps, didn't think he fit in so early but WOW the kid can play, get involved often and in the right spots, a true footballer. I want to see how he goes pushing forward as he is getting most of his disposals across half back to the centre. If he can rest at full forward like a Job Watson then we have a true star in the making.

Menzel - Hard, tough and skillful, great combination. Just needs a four quarter effort. Saw him a bit in the back pocket later in the game, so maybe a bit of an education.

Buckley - Hard, tough and skillfull, not to the impact of Menzel just yet but on his way. Great speed, and a willingness to take the game on.

Watson - Looked confident, still slow but got to where the ball was before his opponent a couple of times by reading the play, his passing from defence was a highlight, so was the 80m torp. Will be very effective if we can find that third defender who will come over the top.

Worries - Not sold on Everitt as a third defender, looks good in space, when he can run onto the ball, but does not think his way out of trouble when cornered all that well. May have to have him as a high half forward who drifts back and helps out.

Murphy - Seems to be stat chasing rather than leading as he did towards the end of last season.

Negatives - Bootsma and Rowe - just not up to it, can't wait for the real stuff to start so I don't have to cringe when they go near it.

Re: NAB Challenge RD 2 : Carlton V Adelaide (Prior Poncing & Punting)

Reply #152 –
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Deleted the tape as soon as the game ended. Not something you'd want to watch a second time!

Me too aint nowhere near enough IQ space to fit that tripe in.
Ignorance is bliss.

ONWARDS AND UPWARDS!

Re: NAB Challenge RD 2 : Carlton V Adelaide (Prior Poncing & Punting)

Reply #153 –
Quote from: flyboy77 – on
This.

From what I gather the lad is still barely serviceable in the 2s. Why play him in the 1s at this point?!  ??? ???

Actually Bootsma does OK at NBs.

At AFL level he needs to find a way of dealing with the extra physicality that comes at the higher level. I like his skill set, but as the son of a famous WA footballer the jury is out until the hype around him starts to appear on the field.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: NAB Challenge RD 2 : Carlton V Adelaide (Prior Poncing & Punting)

Reply #154 –
Quote from: Raydan – on
I don't think it was my blue glasses last night, ...

When our players are being slaughtered by the umpires early in the season, it is the MC / coaching panel that needs close scrutiny.

One area of coaching that MM has always struggled with, rule changes. His coaching panels have always seemed very slow to adapt, they are the opposite of the Swans or Dawks who seem to have it all sorted well before Rnd 1 every season. You wait and watch, after a couple of rounds he will hand out the obligatory "I don't know why it was changed", "We need more time to adjust" or "Why don't they(the AFL) consult us first" types comments. You can find the same or a similar set of comments being made by MM every season.

Agree about the younguns, they should have been using the NAB as a prove what I can do forum. Instead they look like they are out there showing everybody what they can't do!

Disagree about the likes of Murphy and others, these guys have done it before and when the real deal comes along they will do it again!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"
 

Re: NAB Challenge RD 2 : Carlton V Adelaide (Prior Poncing & Punting)

Reply #155 –
Quote from: LP – on
Quote from: Raydan – on
I don't think it was my blue glasses last night, ...

When our players are being slaughtered by the umpires early in the season, it is the MC / coaching panel that needs close scrutiny.


I said this last week in the thread after the North game, it took place all last season and it is happening again. What are we doing wrong. Waite being held out of the contest, Kruz being smashed in the head or on the arms. We need to review the way we go about it because the umps are not going to change.
What happened to my old profile?????

Re: NAB Challenge RD 2 : Carlton V Adelaide (Prior Poncing & Punting)

Reply #156 –
Quote from: Juddkreuzer – on
Quote from: thrunthrublu – on
I know its only a pre season game, but 2 weeks in row we've capitulated in the last quarter. I don't like it.

If it was for points we wouldn't have rested Gibbs who was one of our best. The difference in the two squads we have fielded also shows that's not a consistent factor.

King hates us, always has. The guy pots us at any chance, even the others in the commentary box laughed at his "premiership clock" call. But Norf are all class :)
What happened to my old profile?????

Re: NAB Challenge RD 2 : Carlton V Adelaide (Prior Poncing & Punting)

Reply #157 –
Quote from: blueday – on
Quote from: LP – on
Quote from: Raydan – on
I don't think it was my blue glasses last night, ...

When our players are being slaughtered by the umpires early in the season, it is the MC / coaching panel that needs close scrutiny.


I said this last week in the thread after the North game, it took place all last season and it is happening again. What are we doing wrong. Waite being held out of the contest, Kruz being smashed in the head or on the arms. We need to review the way we go about it because the umps are not going to change.

May be change our name to North Melbourne?  ;)
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: NAB Challenge RD 2 : Carlton V Adelaide (Prior Poncing & Punting)

Reply #158 –
Quote from: LP – on
Quote from: flyboy77 – on
This.

From what I gather the lad is still barely serviceable in the 2s. Why play him in the 1s at this point?!  ??? ???

Actually Bootsma does OK at NBs.

At AFL level he needs to find a way of dealing with the extra physicality that comes at the higher level. I like his skill set, but as the son of a famous WA footballer the jury is out until the hype around him starts to appear on the field.

I am honestly trying to work out what his 'skill set' is, and I'm not sure that there is too much 'hype' left based on what we've seen so far.

It appears to me that he was drafted based almost entirely on his long arms, height and agility. These are natural physical attributes, not skills that have been developed. He seems to lack core strength and upper body strength to compete against AFL forwards, and is not good 1:1 [watch how easily Rory Sloane marked and goaled against him]. He doesn't appear to read the game well and back his judgement, which means he gets led to ball alot, gets lost in traffic and struggles to make good decisions about zoning off or staying with his man which is critical for the 3rd defender.

I really don't want to come across as a negative type because I want all our players to succeed, but for player taken at pick 22 I am amazed at his obivous shortcomings going into his 3rd year in the system.

Re: NAB Challenge RD 2 : Carlton V Adelaide (Prior Poncing & Punting)

Reply #159 –
From what I've seen of Boots his main problem, before any other attributes come into play, is his lack of physical presence and pure strength. He is so easily brushed aside by opposition players and if it happens in the last line of defence then it's usually disastrous. It happened a couple of times at least yesterday, when he was edged off marking an incoming kick, the ball flew over his head and the opposition player just out-turned him to get the ball, in one case for an easy goal.

He needs to spend a LOT of time in the gym and on the weights if he's to have any chance of being an AFL defender.
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: NAB Challenge RD 2 : Carlton V Adelaide (Prior Poncing & Punting)

Reply #160 –
I told you all about Bootsma a year back. He is too 'rabbit in headlights' and doesn't have other attributes to make up for it. Those saying he's a 200 gamer are dreaming, he'd have to play every game for the next 9 years. Last chance this season let's just pray he can step up.
Ignorance is bliss.

ONWARDS AND UPWARDS!

Re: NAB Challenge RD 2 : Carlton V Adelaide (Prior Poncing & Punting)

Reply #161 –
Quote from: sydneybluesfan – on
Quote from: LP – on
Quote from: flyboy77 – on
This.

From what I gather the lad is still barely serviceable in the 2s. Why play him in the 1s at this point?!  ??? ???

Actually Bootsma does OK at NBs.

At AFL level he needs to find a way of dealing with the extra physicality that comes at the higher level. I like his skill set, but as the son of a famous WA footballer the jury is out until the hype around him starts to appear on the field.

I am honestly trying to work out what his 'skill set' is, and I'm not sure that there is too much 'hype' left based on what we've seen so far.

It appears to me that he was drafted based almost entirely on his long arms, height and agility. These are natural physical attributes, not skills that have been developed. He seems to lack core strength and upper body strength to compete against AFL forwards, and is not good 1:1 [watch how easily Rory Sloane marked and goaled against him]. He doesn't appear to read the game well and back his judgement, which means he gets led to ball alot, gets lost in traffic and struggles to make good decisions about zoning off or staying with his man which is critical for the 3rd defender.

I really don't want to come across as a negative type because I want all our players to succeed, but for player taken at pick 22 I am amazed at his obivous shortcomings going into his 3rd year in the system.

Alot of our draftees take along time to come along. We never seem to get a young-un to come in straight away and make an impact.
Other clubs seem to have the ability to fast track their juniors better. We have always suffered from a lack of development from within.
The Kouta/Rattens years were probably the last crop of juniors developed by us.... thinking about that level of talent that we don't have now brings tears to your eyes. :'(
2025... Moir of the same to come

Re: NAB Challenge RD 2 : Carlton V Adelaide (Prior Poncing & Punting)

Reply #162 –
Bootsma had one really good spoil going back with the flight but the rest of the time he was too nervous and indecisive. A team like the Hawks or Cats might be able to cover him while he develops but we just don't have the manpower to cover Watson, McInnes and Bootsma in defence. I loved him in his first game when he was playing on a wing, when he looked like he had all the confidence in the world.

I reckon he'll play again next week against the Dogs but will struggle to break into the seniors throughout the year. Simon White is miles ahead of McInnes and Boots.

Re: NAB Challenge RD 2 : Carlton V Adelaide (Prior Poncing & Punting)

Reply #163 –
Quote from: MilkIt – on
Bootsma had one really good spoil going back with the flight but the rest of the time he was too nervous and indecisive. A team like the Hawks or Cats might be able to cover him while he develops but we just don't have the manpower to cover Watson, McInnes and Bootsma in defence. I loved him in his first game when he was playing on a wing, when he looked like he had all the confidence in the world.

I reckon he'll play again next week against the Dogs but will struggle to break into the seniors throughout the year. Simon White is miles ahead of McInnes and Boots.
Will he be the same thou after his head injury?
2025... Moir of the same to come

Re: NAB Challenge RD 2 : Carlton V Adelaide (Prior Poncing & Punting)

Reply #164 –
I hope Buckley's disposal skills are better than he showed last night.  Man, when he took possession just outside D50 and then missed a short pass to Wood kicking to the opposing flank, that gave up a certain goal.  All of the pace and hustle in the world won't help him if his team mates can't rely upon him hitting targets.