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Re: RD 3 : Carlton VS Essendon (After Siren Shrieking)

Reply #181 –
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Before any call on any coach gets made that board needs to turn the blowtorch onto themselves and start honestly appraising where they are at, because THEY are responsible for why we are this way today.

So true, sacking a club great off the back of an injury riddled season to bring in this old fool is worse than the Pagan job.

Time you stopped living in the past. Ratts failed, club great or not. Sticks has failed as a President, club great or not.

We've not had a successful Senior Coach at the CFC since Parkin. And so far this season, that fact seems unlikely to change.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17
 

Re: RD 3 : Carlton VS Essendon (After Siren Shrieking)

Reply #182 –
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If we didn't have so many injuries in 2012 we would've played finals.

I agree with that. I never blamed Ratten for the losses, I said the players let him down and got him sacked. I said he had to take some responsibility for building that team and after 5 years he probably had long enough and we needed to rebuild.

It's all archived in the old forum.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: RD 3 : Carlton VS Essendon (After Siren Shrieking)

Reply #183 –
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Malthouse won 3 flags in 30 years, in comparison, Bummer T 2 in 10 years, Clarkson 2 in 10 years, Pagan 2 in 8 years. Malthouse won 2 of those flags with the powerhouse WCE, juiced up and all. He's won one premiership in the last 20 years and he did a great job of nearly losing that one too. All coaches reach their use by date and we seem to be doing a good job of picking them up after that happens.

51 finals wins. Spin that.

80+ points. Spin that.

Freo got flogged in the same fashion on Friday night, should they sack Lyon?
Against the reihning Premiers (with injuries) - god only knows what they might hand us.
Excuses year 1, blame year 2, contract extention year 3........

Re: RD 3 : Carlton VS Essendon (After Siren Shrieking)

Reply #184 –
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If we didn't have so many injuries in 2012 we would've played finals.

I agree with that. I never blamed Ratten for the losses, I said the players let him down and got him sacked. I said he had to take some responsibility for building that team and after 5 years he probably had long enough and we needed to rebuild.

It's all archived in the old forum.

Albeit in a far greater vindictive manner. Just admit that we may have got it wrong, surely you can see the writing on the wall? You're not stupid I know that much.
Ignorance is bliss.

ONWARDS AND UPWARDS!

Re: RD 3 : Carlton VS Essendon (After Siren Shrieking)

Reply #185 –
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Against the reihning Premiers (with injuries) - god only knows what they might hand us.

Did you miss the Essendon Hawthorn game last week?
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: RD 3 : Carlton VS Essendon (After Siren Shrieking)

Reply #186 –
Quote from: PassIt2Carrots – on
Albeit in a far greater vindictive manner. Just admit that we may have got it wrong, surely you can see the writing on the wall? You're not stupid I know that much.

We have different expectations of our list. Only once since 2000 have I ever thought we could win the premiership. That was after rd 3 2012, one week later I realized that I was dead wrong.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: RD 3 : Carlton VS Essendon (After Siren Shrieking)

Reply #187 –
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Albeit in a far greater vindictive manner. Just admit that we may have got it wrong, surely you can see the writing on the wall? You're not stupid I know that much.

We have different expectations of our list. Only once since 2000 have I ever thought we could win the premiership. That was after rd 3 2012, one week later I realized that I was dead wrong.

But.....surely you can see our list is not this bad and our side is playing with little to no spirit. And I know the way you think and that should mean the coach is accountable for these performances. And I'm not talking about just last night. Against Port we just rolled over and gave up and i don't want to hear any more Baggers BS about Port being fitter etc. that myth was put to bed yesterday afternoon.

Let me put it to you this way, if we lose to Melbourne next week where does the coach sit with you?
Ignorance is bliss.

ONWARDS AND UPWARDS!

Re: RD 3 : Carlton VS Essendon (After Siren Shrieking)

Reply #188 –
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Against Port we just rolled over and gave up and i don't want to hear any more Baggers BS about Port being fitter etc. that myth was put to bed yesterday afternoon.


How do you explain our loss to Port in 2012 when they were worse than Melbourne? We had everything to play for in that game.  ;)

Re: RD 3 : Carlton VS Essendon (After Siren Shrieking)

Reply #189 –
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But.....surely you can see our list is not this bad and our side is playing with little to no spirit.

I've said for the last 5 years that our list is a bunch of front runners. Our best players are also our worst.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: RD 3 : Carlton VS Essendon (After Siren Shrieking)

Reply #190 –
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Against Port we just rolled over and gave up and i don't want to hear any more Baggers BS about Port being fitter etc. that myth was put to bed yesterday afternoon.


How do you explain our loss to Port in 2012 when they were worse than Melbourne? We had everything to play for in that game.  ;)

What's your point how does that make MMs performance any better?
Ignorance is bliss.

ONWARDS AND UPWARDS!

Re: RD 3 : Carlton VS Essendon (After Siren Shrieking)

Reply #191 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
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But.....surely you can see our list is not this bad and our side is playing with little to no spirit.

I've said for the last 5 years that our list is a bunch of front runners. Our best players are also our worst.

But we are still worthy of playing finals or at least challenging for a spot. there is clearly talent there, it's up to the coach to harness that talent. If he can't it's bye bye IMO.
Ignorance is bliss.

ONWARDS AND UPWARDS!

Re: RD 3 : Carlton VS Essendon (After Siren Shrieking)

Reply #192 –
I picked us to finish mid table last year and this year. Make the finals or just miss out, last year we did both.

Mick isn't going anywhere in the short term, his performance will be reviewed at the end of the year.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: RD 3 : Carlton VS Essendon (After Siren Shrieking)

Reply #193 –
I think MM needs to take over from the Assistants for a few weeks. Preach the message himself, no Chinese whispers, no diluting the message, straight from the horses mouth, old style coaching, everyone working from the same page...ya dee ya dee yaaa!
2025... Moir of the same to come

Re: RD 3 : Carlton VS Essendon (After Siren Shrieking)

Reply #194 –
Quote from: PassIt2Carrots – on
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Against Port we just rolled over and gave up and i don't want to hear any more Baggers BS about Port being fitter etc. that myth was put to bed yesterday afternoon.


How do you explain our loss to Port in 2012 when they were worse than Melbourne? We had everything to play for in that game.  ;)

What's your point how does that make MMs performance any better?

I think you're right, MM has only set us back with his ancient gameplan and the fact that no one seems to stay in their spot for more than five minutes.  Waite forward.  Waite back.  Walker back.  Walker forward.  Henderson back forward whatever.  It drives me insane. Agree to a structure and stick to it for as long as possible.  Get people used to a position.  Make them accountable for that position.

But Ratts was never good enough. Lovely bloke.  Good speaker.  But could never get the boys up when it counted.  He had five years and while 2012 was a tough year to be sacked given the injuries, the writing was on the wall before that.  Our foot skills and tackling was awful under his tenure.  And we were soft.  Ratts will be a great assistant coach but he's not a head coach.