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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 12 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Last post by ElwoodBlues1 -
Doing a "role" is the latest catch phrase excuse for a player who can't get a kick.
Fantasia spent half a season in the SANFL playing ok football but was bypassed by Hinkley and crew even when they had nothing of note ie McEntee taking his place, he was playing a role too.
I like Orazio for his smarts and skills but he isn't getting it done and should have only got a one year deal initially imo and we now have the situation where the coach is having to defend recruiting him and trying to justify his position in the team. He is getting a game for two reasons imo and they are lack of fit in form alternatives and the coach not willing to admit he is out of form and delivering what he thought he would.
This week will test him along with Williams and Fogarty given Essendon have some very attacking small defenders who are starring at the moment and Orazio in particular will need to provide defensive pressure if he ends up on Martin, McGrath etc especially if he isn't kicking goals or doing much to create them..
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 12 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Last post by kruddler -
Quote from: PaulP on
https://www.northweststar.com.au/story/8646008/fantasias-impact-at-carlton-being-undersold-says-voss/
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"And he's able to do that and I'm sure over a period of time he'll become a very valuable member of our team."

He'll BECOME a very valuable member.
as opposed to
He IS a very valuable member.
 
I don't expect Vossy to say any player is 'no good', you expect him to say what he said. But lets read between the lines (like above) rather than drinking the kool-aid.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 12 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Last post by PaulP -
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I do understand that, but it's not an exemption from the call, if you're a courier in the great war and you unfortunately run into a platoon of enemy with no chance for escape, you've no choice but to fight!

Pat, leave aside whatever it is you witnessed all those years ago. Just think through the implications for a second. Fantasia supposedly has a reputation for being soft. He's been in the system since 2014, so is a known quantity. Voss himself has been in the system for decades, was his assistant coach at Port, so they know each other personally and professionally. Voss was the toughest and most uncompromising player of his era. If we believe that these things are true, then Voss is either incompetent (no ability to recognize softness) or corrupt (recognizes this softness but ignores it), or both. And if that's true, then we are wasting our time with Voss and he should be sacked.

There is the additional issue of Fantasia winning the approval and trust of his team mates, and he does this by......... pack skirting ?

Any chance we could let this "player x is soft" nonsense just die ? Surely this has to be the laziest fan trope in sporting history ?
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 12 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Last post by LoveNavy -
Quote from: Adelaideblue on
Carlton members in allocated section.  :)  :)   (and about time!!)

What a great night for Adelaide based supporters.... slashing win, the boys really wanted it!

We have endured some "tough" games at Adelaide Oval including on the scoreboard!  Usually with seating right in the middle of Port or Crows supporters. So this time, great to have seating in a Carlton members section. 

After siren we stood and sang the song with gusto!

Ab

That's a big win for the club and the boys did it with G & D, topped with a bit of class.

 Glad the Adelaide Baggers finally got that sweet taste of success. Enjoy strutting around the streets in your navy blue.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 12 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Last post by Adelaideblue -
Carlton members in allocated section.  :)  :)   (and about time!!)

What a great night for Adelaide based supporters.... slashing win, the boys really wanted it!

We have endured some "tough" games at Adelaide Oval including on the scoreboard!  Usually with seating right in the middle of Port or Crows supporters. So this time, great to have seating in a Carlton members section. 

After siren we stood and sang the song with gusto!

Ab
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 12 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Last post by kruddler -
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Agreed, and he'll probably be retained in that circumstance, last Thursday I thought he was again a little bit better, he'll need to improve further against CheatsFC.

But having said that when you watch the replay there are a couple of ordinary moments where you can see Fantasia around a disputed footy choose to hang back while a team mate suffers an opposition blitzkrieg. I immediately thought of the time sMurph was being pummelled and Touhy and Henderson jogged on by, no matter what your role might be in my book is that choice of action is unacceptable. You go onto the field of play expecting your team-mates to have your back, so you better have theirs too, whether they are being assaulted or set upon for the footy, you must help!

One other thing I've noticed I presume he is also carrying and injury, I had expected Fantasia to be the fleet footed option of our smalls but at the moment he appears to be the slowest of the lot.

I remember Fantasia was always called soft previously. I've seen a few examples of it while playing with us, but i'm very hesitent to call players out for it.

But, If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck- , and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 12 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Last post by LP -
Quote from: kruddler on
Fantasia might be following orders and thats keeping him in the side, but he is not performing 'well'.
Agreed, and he'll probably be retained in that circumstance, last Thursday I thought he was again a little bit better, he'll need to improve further against CheatsFC.

But having said that when you watch the replay there are a couple of ordinary moments where you can see Fantasia around a disputed footy choose to hang back while a team mate suffers an opposition blitzkrieg. I immediately thought of the time sMurph was being pummelled and Touhy and Henderson jogged on by, no matter what your role might be in my book is that choice of action is unacceptable. You go onto the field of play expecting your team-mates to have your back, so you better have theirs too, whether they are being assaulted or set upon for the footy, you must help!

One other thing I've noticed I presume he is also carrying and injury, I had expected Fantasia to be the fleet footed option of our smalls but at the moment he appears to be the slowest of the lot.