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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 20 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Last post by ElwoodBlues1 -
Last night was pathetic. First 10 mins of the third quarter we should’ve just put it beyond reach but farted around, couldn’t hit a target in our f50
And showed no composure for a supposed grand finalist.

Our last month has been crap - last weeks win was unconvincing.

I thought this was our year, it felt different. Unfortunately the last month has a familiarity to it - not in a good way.

Agree, last week vs Nth didnt impress me and set us up for the debacle vs Port imo. We are not the second best team in the comp and got ahead of ourselves and Brisbane deserve second place given their form compared to ours.
Lucky our draw isnt as challenging in the run home and we might still steal second place but Im not seeing anything that makes us strong  contenders other than most of the other teams in the eight apart from the Swans and Lions are as equally up and down in form and a Bradbury team like the Bulldogs could even sneak their way through to the prelims .
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 20 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Last post by kruddler -
A player whose game goes to pieces after an early mistake probably lacks a mental toughness. On the other hand someone who comes back and gets on top of his opponent after an early setback probably possesses a degree of mental toughness.

Not sure if anyone watches Ted Lasso, but i gave it a go because i heard Patrick Cripps loved it and tries to model himself on him a bit. Since watching it, i can see the similarities.

FYI, Ted Lasso is a ficticious coach who has some unorthodox ways of coaching sides, but everyone loves him and his eccentricities.

Anyway, in the bolded bit above, there is a bit of a theme with that in Ted Lasso. He tries to teach his players to 'be like a goldfish'. Meaning that the goldfish has a 10 second memory (Its actually a myth thats been disproven) but you need to quickly forget your mistakes and focus on the next contest. If you can't let go, it holds you back.

Its easier said than done, but if you can 'flick that switch' in a few players we'd be a much better side because of it.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 20 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Last post by Micky0 -
Last night was pathetic. First 10 mins of the third quarter we should’ve just put it beyond reach but farted around, couldn’t hit a target in our f50
And showed no composure for a supposed grand finalist.

Our last month has been crap - last weeks win was unconvincing.

I thought this was our year, it felt different. Unfortunately the last month has a familiarity to it - not in a good way.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 20 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Last post by Baggers -
Of course we look at it from a distance, so it's not an easy task.
But there are certainly signs that may suggest a level of mental toughness.

A player who lifts his game when his team is in trouble and has a 'follow me' type of presence probably has a fair degree of mental toughness. I reckon our captain shows signs of that.

A player whose game goes to pieces after an early mistake probably lacks a mental toughness. On the other hand someone who comes back and gets on top of his opponent after an early setback probably possesses a degree of mental toughness.

Someone who is given an opportunity after being out for some time and just doesn't take that opportunity probably has questionable toughness.

It's also probably fair to say though that talented players don't always possess mental toughness and under the pressure of big games sometimes go missing.

But identifying mental toughness is not always an easy task...note how often I used the word 'probably' in this post.
It's hard to be definite.

Nice, Principal LODS... the only thing I would disagree with  is, 'identifying mental toughness is not always an easy task,' actually, it is. Well, not so much easy, as obvious. When the heat comes, who rises, who succumbs. And it really can be that black and white.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 20 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Last post by Lods -
I'd have to say I have no idea who is mentally tough and who isn't. I wouldn't even know where to begin.

Of course we look at it from a distance, so it's not an easy task.
But there are certainly signs that may suggest a level of mental toughness.

A player who lifts his game when his team is in trouble and has a 'follow me' type of presence probably has a fair degree of mental toughness. I reckon our captain shows signs of that.

A player whose game goes to pieces after an early mistake probably lacks a mental toughness. On the other hand someone who comes back and gets on top of his opponent after an early setback probably possesses a degree of mental toughness.

Someone who is given an opportunity after being out for some time and just doesn't take that opportunity probably has questionable toughness.

It's also probably fair to say though that talented players don't always possess mental toughness and under the pressure of big games sometimes go missing.

But identifying mental toughness is not always an easy task...note how often I used the word 'probably' in this post.
It's hard to be definite.

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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 20 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Last post by PaulP -
Totally understand, Pauly. That's why game day mindset (and training) is so critical - to condition our mind to step over those life realities and focus relentlessly on excellence, and all it asks, for two hours. And as you rightly point out, some do it better than others - enter the Vossy's, Crippa's, Jezza's... sheesh, any star you can think of... they have the natural talent combined with a mindset of ruthless persistence toward excellence. But there are many players not blessed with sublime natural talent who developed a mindset of sustained excellence... to get the very best out of themselves and do succeed at the highest level, although only a B or C grader, talent wise. That's what we need, especially, from our 'bottom 6-8' on game day.

A reasonable example would be Young. He has a degree of natural talent but appears not to have the mental discipline. And boy doesn't it show when the heat comes. Kade Simpson might be an example of the opposite, capable skills but boy what mental discipline and application. I'm sure most of us could come up with a huge list of blokes who weren't blessed with talent to burn or  a huge, strong body yet they were so mentally tough that they shrugged aside any limitations.

I'd have to say I have no idea who is mentally tough and who isn't. I wouldn't even know where to begin.