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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 12 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Last post by PaulP -
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I do understand that, but it's not an exemption from the call, if you're a courier in the great war and you unfortunately run into a platoon of enemy with no chance for escape, you've no choice but to fight!

Pat, leave aside whatever it is you witnessed all those years ago. Just think through the implications for a second. Fantasia supposedly has a reputation for being soft. He's been in the system since 2014, so is a known quantity. Voss himself has been in the system for decades, was his assistant coach at Port, so they know each other personally and professionally. Voss was the toughest and most uncompromising player of his era. If we believe that these things are true, then Voss is either incompetent (no ability to recognize softness) or corrupt (recognizes this softness but ignores it), or both. And if that's true, then we are wasting our time with Voss and he should be sacked.

There is the additional issue of Fantasia winning the approval and trust of his team mates, and he does this by......... pack skirting ?

Any chance we could let this "player x is soft" nonsense just die ? Surely this has to be the laziest fan trope in sporting history ?
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 12 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Last post by LoveNavy -
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Carlton members in allocated section.  :)  :)   (and about time!!)

What a great night for Adelaide based supporters.... slashing win, the boys really wanted it!

We have endured some "tough" games at Adelaide Oval including on the scoreboard!  Usually with seating right in the middle of Port or Crows supporters. So this time, great to have seating in a Carlton members section. 

After siren we stood and sang the song with gusto!

Ab

That's a big win for the club and the boys did it with G & D, topped with a bit of class.

 Glad the Adelaide Baggers finally got that sweet taste of success. Enjoy strutting around the streets in your navy blue.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 12 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Last post by Adelaideblue -
Carlton members in allocated section.  :)  :)   (and about time!!)

What a great night for Adelaide based supporters.... slashing win, the boys really wanted it!

We have endured some "tough" games at Adelaide Oval including on the scoreboard!  Usually with seating right in the middle of Port or Crows supporters. So this time, great to have seating in a Carlton members section. 

After siren we stood and sang the song with gusto!

Ab
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 12 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Last post by kruddler -
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Agreed, and he'll probably be retained in that circumstance, last Thursday I thought he was again a little bit better, he'll need to improve further against CheatsFC.

But having said that when you watch the replay there are a couple of ordinary moments where you can see Fantasia around a disputed footy choose to hang back while a team mate suffers an opposition blitzkrieg. I immediately thought of the time sMurph was being pummelled and Touhy and Henderson jogged on by, no matter what your role might be in my book is that choice of action is unacceptable. You go onto the field of play expecting your team-mates to have your back, so you better have theirs too, whether they are being assaulted or set upon for the footy, you must help!

One other thing I've noticed I presume he is also carrying and injury, I had expected Fantasia to be the fleet footed option of our smalls but at the moment he appears to be the slowest of the lot.

I remember Fantasia was always called soft previously. I've seen a few examples of it while playing with us, but i'm very hesitent to call players out for it.

But, If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck- , and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 12 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Last post by LP -
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Fantasia might be following orders and thats keeping him in the side, but he is not performing 'well'.
Agreed, and he'll probably be retained in that circumstance, last Thursday I thought he was again a little bit better, he'll need to improve further against CheatsFC.

But having said that when you watch the replay there are a couple of ordinary moments where you can see Fantasia around a disputed footy choose to hang back while a team mate suffers an opposition blitzkrieg. I immediately thought of the time sMurph was being pummelled and Touhy and Henderson jogged on by, no matter what your role might be in my book is that choice of action is unacceptable. You go onto the field of play expecting your team-mates to have your back, so you better have theirs too, whether they are being assaulted or set upon for the footy, you must help!

One other thing I've noticed I presume he is also carrying and injury, I had expected Fantasia to be the fleet footed option of our smalls but at the moment he appears to be the slowest of the lot.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Jim Park Analysis 2024
Last post by crashlander -
AFL 2024 Rd 10:   Carlton vs Sydney
Our worst game by some margin: the only time this year that we've been comprehensively beaten and broken.

Trends:
[1]   There were 14 voters this round, which is reasonable consider that we lost so badly. Please, do take the time to vote. Everyone is appreciated.

[2]   The rating was a 6.36, which is a E+. The first time all year the rating so significantly low.

[3]   14[/b] players managed a mention this week, which shows that most players made some sort of contribution. However, not many of those contributions were winning ones.

[4]   The average vote this week was 19. By far the worst for the year.

[5]   3 players managed 100 votes or more this week.

[6]   Nic Newman was BOG with 328 votes. He was a long way in front ofBlake Acres ([color=limegreen]143 votes[/color]) and Mar Pittonet ( 138 votes).

[7]   Only one player managed votes from everyone this week, Nic Newman.

[8]   Our youngsters were not significant this week, although a couple were recognized for their efforts.

[9]   Our defenders were the main area of vote getting, which tells you something of the game.

Votes:
Newman, Nicholas 328
Acres, Blake  143
Pittonet, Marc  138
Kennedy, Matthew  95
Cripps, Patrick  48
Boyd, Jordan  42
McGovern, Mitchell  32
Kemp, Brodie  29
Hewett, George  24
Cincotta, Alex  21
William, Zac  21
McKay, Harrison  13
Hollands, Elijah  11
Curnow, Charles  8

Progressive Voting:
Patrick Cripps 2128
Sam Walsh 1424
Harry McKay 1329
Jacob Weitering 1056
Tom de Koning 841
George Hewett 775
Blake Acres 727
Nic Newman 682
Marc Pittonet 606
Charlie Curnow 554
Mitch McGovern 486
Matthew Kennedy 369
Adam Saad 310
Matthew Owies 274
Adam Cerra 262
Brodie Kemp 235
Jordan Boyd 169
Matthew Cottrell 144
Zac William 106
Elijah Hollands 101
Alex Cincotta 74
Lachie Fogarty 68
Jack Carroll 64
Lewis Young 60
Ollie Hollands 49
Orazio Fantasia 13
David Cuningham 13
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 12 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Last post by kruddler -
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Durdin is ahead in goals but that’s it, and his last five or six games yielded no goals and little else. Fantasia does more behind and around the ball and Voss is clearly happier with the role that Fantasia is performing.

Motlop’s form from last season is irrelevant; he hasn’t been available and his form in what was virtually a practice game for him was average. Motlop is also a very different type of player to Fantasia in that his impact is as a forward and the latter does more work behind the ball.

That said, I wouldn’t hesitate to replace Fantasia with Motlop or Martin if they were fit and in form.  Same with Durdin.

I wouldn't say voss is happy with Fantasias output, if he was he wouldn't be making him sub and subbing him out as often as he does.

Fantasia might be following orders and thats keeping him in the side, but he is not performing 'well'.

I'd prefer cuningham, martin or motlop in the side ahead of him.....and even durdin.....but only with 1 of them available is he 'doing his job'.