Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9 Reply #60 – January 27, 2025, 04:59:12 pm Quote from: shawny – on January 27, 2025, 10:51:13 amNovak and Raffa are 2 of the top 3 players of all time - comparing any current player to anyone in that group is pointless.Having watched the likes of Newcombe, Rosewall, Laver, Bjorg, Connors, McEnroe, Lendl, Sampras and Agassi, and acknowledging how difficult it is to compare players from different eras, Rafa, the Djoker and Federer would be among peers if it was possible to get that lot on court together under the same conditions and conditioning.Federer is the most complete player I've seen, but all of that lot were outstanding. Quote Selected
Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9 Reply #61 – January 27, 2025, 05:21:59 pm Although players are fitter and stronger and technology is different (balls and racquets?) - comparing eras is dangerous, but it would be interesting to see how they went against Safin or the kick serve and volley of Edberg/Cash.Interesting that from 2004 to 2023, of the 20 finals, the big three won 18 of them - Wawrinka and Safin the other 2.Fed, Rafa and Djok only played against each other in a final 4 times and Andy Murray was runner up 5 times.Looking at the earlier era - Andy Roddick never made a final, Agassi won 4, courier a couple, Sampras a couple and Becker a couple.Era before that, it was Wilander, Edberg and Llendl turn to share (with Cash a runner up a couple of times). Bjorg never made the trip here.Which era has more depth? You could argue for and against them all.The post Fed, Rafa, Djok era is only 3 years old, but more time is needed. Interesting that a few of the names that were slated aren't making such a big impact (eg Tsitsipas, Ruud) although there is time. Sinner, Alcaraz and Zverev and a few on the way may make things interesting. De Minaur looks to be a good player to quarterfinals (is ranked 7th, so plays to his ranking). Quote Selected 1 Likes
Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9 Reply #62 – January 28, 2025, 08:27:24 am Quote from: LP – on January 27, 2025, 04:25:37 pmQuote from: shawny – on January 27, 2025, 10:51:13 amSinner is the returning champ and hardly lost a set all tournament and far from ordinary. He has won 3 slams now and will win many more. Novak and Raffa are 2 of the top 3 players of all time - comparing any current player to anyone in that group is pointless.Records are relative.I suspect if Federer was around and playing in his prime at the moment he would probably be on a grand slam hattrick about now, the current players aren't in the same league as the people he regularly came up against. I'm not even sure Sinner and Alcaraz would get the better of the 2nd tier types from the early Federer ear 2000 through 2010. Bradman would be scoring heavily too… 🙄 Quote Selected
Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9 Reply #63 – January 28, 2025, 01:48:09 pm If comparing past and present tennis players, there are two big differences that must be considered.(1) Courts - these days, most tournaments are played on some form of manufactured hard court, far more predictable and thus perfect for smacking groundstrokes (yes, I know Wimbledon and Roland Garros are exceptions). (2) Equipment - racquets of yesteryear cannot even be compared to the current types - so much lighter and stronger now. I'd love to see the current crop play with a Pancho Gonzalez wooden version! Probably wouldn't be able to lift it up! And shoes - modern ones are half the weight and three times better for moving around fast. There are plenty of other comparison points, but these two are the major ones. Quote Selected 1 Likes
Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9 Reply #64 – January 28, 2025, 02:33:43 pm With equipment, you also need to add tennis balls. They are a lot slower now. Quote Selected
Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9 Reply #65 – January 29, 2025, 10:40:40 pm Quote from: northernblue – on January 28, 2025, 08:27:24 amBradman would be scoring heavily too… 🙄Yes, he probably would.Djoker lost 4 of every 5 against Federer for the first 12 or 14 years of their coincident career, it's only after Federer started to wind back that Djoker evened up the numbers in the end.The idea that someone of Djoker's vintage can remain so dominant sort of says something about modern tennis.Federer was dominant in an era which had far greater depth of talent than the current players, they are full of themselves, the marketing and dollars of the modern game have made them legends in their own lunch box. Quote Selected Last Edit: January 29, 2025, 10:43:08 pm by LP
Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9 Reply #66 – January 30, 2025, 01:11:39 am Dunno about Bradman - didn't think he had a great backhand...Some of the below would work in Bradman's favour, some wouldn't. His temperament would count for a lot. Some would also depend if you put a current player into Bradman's era, or Bradman into the current era. - Bats are now made quite differently - Bowling was slower (eg Truman was about 130k, John Snow (diff era) high 130s) - Unsure about cricket ball differences - Protective gear is quite different - Pitches are now covered - Knowledge around preparation of pitches and outfields is much greater - fielding skills are much more advancedBack to tennis - 'The idea that someone of Djoker's vintage can remain so dominant sort of says something about modern tennis'Is it that the game has evolved in such a way that you can just keep whacking balls from the baseline? Just need to be mentally strong, very fit and consistent - which also means your point play has to be tactically strong. Quote Selected
Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9 Reply #67 – January 30, 2025, 08:28:42 am Quote from: LP – on January 29, 2025, 10:40:40 pmQuote from: northernblue – on January 28, 2025, 08:27:24 amBradman would be scoring heavily too… 🙄Yes, he probably would.Djoker lost 4 of every 5 against Federer for the first 12 or 14 years of their coincident career, it's only after Federer started to wind back that Djoker evened up the numbers in the end.The idea that someone of Djoker's vintage can remain so dominant sort of says something about modern tennis.Federer was dominant in an era which had far greater depth of talent than the current players, they are full of themselves, the marketing and dollars of the modern game have made them legends in their own lunch box.Not sure about your interpretation of events there.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Djokovic%E2%80%93Federer_rivalry#:~:text=Djokovic%20and%20Federer%20faced%20each,record%2011%20in%20the%20semifinals.They were in the thick of it for most of their careers and only a 6 year age gap. Considering federer retired 2020 the facts don't assert djokovic brought him back later. Particularly with this article asserting that djokovic won 27 of 40 matches head to head after losing the first 4 matches. If anything federer started winning more when he succumbed and went to the larger racket in 2014 but Djokovic was relentless and played at a high level, and would find a way to keep getting the ball back. Quote Selected Last Edit: January 30, 2025, 08:31:05 am by Thryleon
Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9 Reply #68 – January 30, 2025, 12:48:47 pm Off topic but the Jelena Dokic doco was fantastic. The father was and is an absolute kent of a human. She might have been anything had she had semi normal parents. Heart wrenching to watch but awesome. Quote Selected 4 Likes
Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9 Reply #69 – January 30, 2025, 01:23:41 pm Quote from: Gointocarlton – on January 30, 2025, 12:48:47 pmOff topic but the Jelena Dokic doco was fantastic. The father was and is an absolute kent of a human. She might have been anything had she had semi normal parents. Heart wrenching to watch but awesome.She was hard to take at times during her career but that’s perfectly understandable when you learn about her early life.I have heard her speak about it and she is remarkably brave and remarkably “normal” in the circumstances. It was hard to listen to but you have to admire her for speaking out. Quote Selected 1 Likes
Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9 Reply #70 – January 30, 2025, 09:44:16 pm Quote from: Gointocarlton – on January 30, 2025, 12:48:47 pmOff topic but the Jelena Dokic doco was fantastic. The father was and is an absolute kent of a human. She might have been anything had she had semi normal parents. Heart wrenching to watch but awesome.the sad part is she had semi normal Balkan parents.These behaviours are not uncommon. As per all documentaries they gild the lily a bit with the early stuff and make them out like it would have been different if not for x. Quote Selected
Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9 Reply #71 – February 01, 2025, 01:20:42 pm Australian tennis player-turned-commentator Rennae Stubbs has made the shock declaration she thinks Jannik Sinner is "guaranteed" to cop a ban when he fronts the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) in April. Sinner won his second Australian Open and third grand slam title last week, but his immediate future in the sport is under a cloud.The World No.1 will face a CAS hearing and could be facing a maximum two-year ban after the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) appealed a decision by the International Tennis Integrity Agency (ITIA) to clear him. Sinner twice tested positive to banned steroid Clostebol last March, but the ITIA allowed him to keep playing after he claimed he was inadvertently contaminated by his physio.I dont watch Tennis but its interesting to me how Sinner has escaped punishment and sold the old contaminated by another story and got away with it but that rarely works in other sports and id pose the question that if he was ranked 150 in the world instead of No 1 would he have been suspended/banned?Djokovic has copped plenty of heat for withdrawing but the aptly named Sinner who has been caught twice for steroid use gets away with zero heat coming his way... Quote Selected 3 Likes
Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9 Reply #72 – February 01, 2025, 02:04:07 pm Meanwhile:QuoteSix more current or former tennis players linked to a match-fixing syndicate in Belgium were given suspensions of varying lengths — one was barred for 15 years — and fined, the International Tennis Integrity Agency said.That brings the total to about 30 players punished for their connections to the syndicate run by Grigor Sargsyan, who was previously given a five-year custodial sentence.The player who received the longest ban in the announcement, 34-year-old Agustin Moyano of Argentina, was suspended for 15 years and fined $10,000 after denying the charges and requesting a full hearing.I think that the ITF may be more concerned with maintaining its monopoly than with cleaning up the sport. Quote Selected
Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9 Reply #73 – February 01, 2025, 03:18:57 pm Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on February 01, 2025, 01:20:42 pmAustralian tennis player-turned-commentator Rennae Stubbs has made the shock declaration she thinks Jannik Sinner is "guaranteed" to cop a ban when he fronts the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) in April. Sinner won his second Australian Open and third grand slam title last week, but his immediate future in the sport is under a cloud.The World No.1 will face a CAS hearing and could be facing a maximum two-year ban after the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) appealed a decision by the International Tennis Integrity Agency (ITIA) to clear him. Sinner twice tested positive to banned steroid Clostebol last March, but the ITIA allowed him to keep playing after he claimed he was inadvertently contaminated by his physio.I dont watch Tennis but its interesting to me how Sinner has escaped punishment and sold the old contaminated by another story and got away with it but that rarely works in other sports and id pose the question that if he was ranked 150 in the world instead of No 1 would he have been suspended/banned?Djokovic has copped plenty of heat for withdrawing but the aptly named Sinner who has been caught twice for steroid use gets away with zero heat coming his way...nah we won't go the Italian. He's the good type of wog. Quote Selected
Re: Djokovic v TJ / Ch9 Reply #74 – February 01, 2025, 04:08:30 pm Quote from: Thryleon – on February 01, 2025, 03:18:57 pmnah we won't go the Italian. He's the good type of wog.Aaah the old it's racism defence, I don't think it will help, if he's guilty he's gone!Is this a Greek vs Italian thing, given Kyrgios has been asserting Sinner's guilt for almost 12 months? Quote Selected