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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading)
Quote from: Lods on

It was definitely the case in the past but...
I think those days are gone.
Disappeared in the last 10 years.
Neither side fully accepted the legitimacy of Trump or Biden.
"Not my President", "Stolen election", "Russian interference"..... all diminished the respect Americans had for respective sides of politics.

I'm not so sure about that.  Biden and the other bloke may be on the nose but so have many presidents before them.  It has been the case for generations that US "voters want strong presidents who know how to lead and how to make their will prevail" and that seldom realised ideal underpins their respect for the office.  Judge Merchan said that he was reluctant to gaol Aurangzeb for contempt of court because he was a former POTUS and could be so again.  That's not respect for the individual but respect for the office that individual once held. 
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading)
Quote from: Lods on
As it should be. ;)

All of our political party leaders - Albo, Dutton, Littleproud, Bandt, Hanson, Palmer, etc - would be booed, but the Governor-General wouldn't be ... well maybe just a little bit.

The cult of POTUS is very strong in the US and any former POTUS would be welcomed generously at most events.  It's the office they once held that is respected, but not necessarily the person.  The same is not the case for present and former House of Representatives and Senate majority leaders.  Of course, if a former POTUS says something unpopular or inappropriate, they will be booed, as happened at the Libertarian convention.

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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 12 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 on
Reality is the Bullants are very ordinary but they still had more standout players imho.
eg The big kid Elliott , son of Matthew the cricketer is clearly AFL bound and looks to have more potential than Lemmey, McMahon etc. I thought our VFL players were better than the AFL players with the exception of Carroll who played wide of his opponents and got plenty of ball but for some reason I remain 50/50 on his future as a senior player.

Carroll has to perform like that in every VFL game he plays and has to show more when he's in the AFL squad.  It can't be easy coming on as the sub but, if that's his lot, he has to make the most of it.

It's hard to know what to make of our VFL side and the AFL listed players running around in it.  I suspect that it's lacking too much talent and experience and those blokes with a bit of ability are being overwhelmed.  I've said it before but I would have loved to see Ed Curnow as captain of our VFL side, even if for just one season.

Anyway, this is a discussion for a VFL thread.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 12 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Quote from: kruddler on
Give some of the kids a chance to play in afl conditions and their output will magically improve.

Give our kids a game in the AFL before they’re ready and we’ll probably throw the game and set their careers back.  We didn’t see much magical improvement from Samo, LOB, Polson, and Dow!

Of course, the MC doesn’t just go on key match day indicators but takes into account what happens at training … and while we don’t know how Fantasia is going versus Durdin, etc, team selection gives us a fair idea.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 12 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Quote from: kruddler on
Carroll got 32 touches today
Billy Wilson got 24 today
Binns got 21 and a goal today
Durdin got 15 and a goal

All are younger and have performed to the same level as Fantasia (or better)

Carroll had 2 tackles in 19% TOG on Thursday and backed it up today
Fantasia had 2 tackles in 55% TOG on Thursday

Did you watch the game?

Carroll was OK but his opponent touched him up.  No-one else is putting their hand up for a game so Carroll probably stays in the 23.

Binns is probably most able to do the role Fantasia is currently doing.  He has the tank for it but he hasn’t yet developed a defensive side to his game, is too easily brushed aside, and his disposal could be better.

Wilson shows promise but he’s a small defender who needs time to develop and would be exploited at AFL level.

Durdin got a bit of the ball today but not nearly as much as he should have.  A disappointing, poor effort from a bloke who should be fighting for a spot in our AFL team.

Fantasia is safe … for now.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 13 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon
Quote from: PaulP on
Goldstein not playing today against GC. A late change.

Goldy was “managed” when Witts didn’t get up for Gold  Coast; a decision that backfired with Moyle and Walter having the better of Bryan and Wright.

I don’t think Pittonet will come up so it will be an easy decision for the MC; De Koning and McKay vs Goldstein and Wright.

I’m looking forward to seeing the McKay twins do battle.  I hope tempers don’t fray.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 12 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Quote from: LP on
Fans wouldn't accept Lang or O'Brien not entering the fray, why do they accept Fantasia?

I mustn’t be paying as much attention as you because I can’t recall Fantasia (or O’Brien for that matter - I don’t remember how Lang played) “not entering the fray”.  I have noticed him and many of his teammates no doubt following instructions and staying outside the contest to receive a pass or disrupt an opposition play.

I suspect that a player who didn’t enter the fray when required would lose Vossy’s respect and would struggle to get a game in the Magoos.

Fantasia is well-entrenched among the bottom 3 or 4 players in our 23 and probably wouldn’t be picked if we had more fit players to choose from.  The fact of the matter is that he is in our best available 23 for now and is doing the job set for him.

For some fans, that makes him an ideal whipping boy 🤣
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 13 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon
Quote from: blueianh on
So, do we go in unchanged again or are there changes to be made?  Looking at the 2s I see Carroll is named - is he able to play given he subbed on or will he be a late out for the 2s today?

There’s nothing to stop subs backing up in the VFL and it’s a fairly common occurrence.  It will depend on what the fitness staff say but I would expect him to play after being the sub two weeks running.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 12 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Quote from: Lods on
This is a funny old game...(insert cliche*-"a game of inches" :D )

If Fantasia had kicked that 'almost' freak goal I doubt we'd be having this discussion, other than to say "We need to see more of that."

That’s the issue; for most of his career, that goes through but now he can’t buy a goal.

Cottrell’s comments earlier in the season about people not going to the footy to watch him perform his mundane yet important role made it clear that supporters often judge players without knowing what their performance criteria are.  However, Cotters usually adds a goal or a mercurial act to performing his role.

Raz has averaged over a goal a game over his career but has managed just two goals for us.  No matter how well he performs his role or how satisfied Vossy is with his work, supporters expect goals and Raz doesn’t really look like he’s going to kick one.


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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 12 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Quote from: kruddler on
Pretty much.

Fantasia is 'doing his role' is fine. But what was he doing that Durdin wasn't? Its certainly not kicking goals.
Going through all the stats show very similar.
Plenty have noted Durdin on the last line of defence, so he is clearly working hard as well.

My point about Motlop which most seem to have missed is that pure output wise, he is $hitting all over Fantasia, despite being 10 years younger.
Usually when you recruit a mature age player, you do so knowing that you'll get MORE output that the kids they are replacing.

Not the case with him.

Durdin is ahead in goals but that’s it, and his last five or six games yielded no goals and little else. Fantasia does more behind and around the ball and Voss is clearly happier with the role that Fantasia is performing.

Motlop’s form from last season is irrelevant; he hasn’t been available and his form in what was virtually a practice game for him was average. Motlop is also a very different type of player to Fantasia in that his impact is as a forward and the latter does more work behind the ball.

That said, I wouldn’t hesitate to replace Fantasia with Motlop or Martin if they were fit and in form.  Same with Durdin.