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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 20 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Last post by kruddler -
Some inaccuracies with this post.

1. Pittonet and sweet had the same amount of disposals in the 2nd half. Sweet had 1 more hitout in the 2nd half. Pitto had 1 more clearance in this time. (Cant access hta stats)
2. Pittonet took both his marks in the first quarter. Had 5 touches to sweets 0, but lost hitouts 10-3. 1-0 in clearances.
3. His 2nd quarter
Hitouts 12-10
Clearances 3-2
Disposals 3-2

I think his best was Q1 and broke even every quarter from there.

Edit: TOG stats shows sweet played 88% pitto played 75%. That is equivalent to an extra 16 minute of play. 16 minutes of play where he was up against our backup ruck.
Yet no advantage in the stats.

FWIW, Pittonet and Sweet had 12 hitouts to advantage each.

Also Young only attended 12 ruck contests, for 3 hitouts and 0 to advantage.
Not sure what he offered in the ruck that Cripps and Kennedy do not.
He managed 1 clearance. (McGovern and Ollie Hollands also had 1)
He was a complete bust there.

He was involved in just 1 defensive 1 on 1 contest, which he lost.....so was no better there.
For comparison.....
Kemp lost both he was involved in as well.
Weiters was involved in 8 and lost just 1.
McGovern won his only contest.
Allir was in 10 and lost 4

We desperately need to find a genuine CHB and forget about picking/shoehorning in another 'tall' to ruck.
I didn't mind the experiment, but we got the information we needed.
Time to look elsewhere.

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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 20 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Last post by BluePhantom -
well i got that wrong i thought we would win, BUT once again our crap game plan i call it u12 get ball boot ball we are so predictable my 2 favourite parts are 1 the kick in from football back long to the wing only to watch it come straight back and 2 long bomb to our fwds and no pressure from our smalls. Trouble is i was saying the same thing last year .Voss and co haven't changed a thing WORRY
Been talking about this for the last 10-15 years.
Only one game this year where we made space and honoured the leads. And boy did it look good and it worked.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 20 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Last post by kruddler -
Agree Prof, Im happy to trade Young out and try my luck with someone else as a KP tall defender, his intensity is zero and he looks cooked as far as wanting to contest hard and is a shadow of the player who impressed in his first season.
Cerra is also wanting it bruise free and looking for the cheapie on the outside....one clearance , one tackle and only 4 contested out of his miserable 15 possessions isnt good enough for what we are paying him and he needs to support Cripps, Walsh etc better or learn about responsibility and workrate in the VFL.
Too many players wanting it bruise free and for the usual suspects in Cripps and Walsh doing the hard yakka, wearing the knocks and those two looked jaded and tired at the end. Walsh looks really out of sorts and needs a rest but we cant afford it given we have nothing to replace him with. I can see Ben Camporeale playing a lot of footy next season....

Cerra has been a bust since his injury.

He's had enough time to turn get up to speed.
I don't expect to see an improvement over what Cerra gives us, but it might be time to reward Binns with a game who is in white hot form in the 2's.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 21 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Last post by ElwoodBlues1 -
Our biggest issue with wins/losses from here lies in the ladder, and not simply position, but the teams around us.

Sydney have top spot. Someone will have to travel to Sydney in week 1, they'll win and have the bye in week 2 and will host week 3 as well.
Currently we are 2nd.
3rd-6th are all interstate teams  (currenty - Port, Freo, Brisbane, GWS) and they will host 2 games at a minimum, possibly all 3.

7th is Geelong which has the option of hosting games down at KP.

There may not be a game at the MCG in week 1 of finals unless we get up 2nd, or fall to 5th.

We need to win games like this to avoid travelling interstate in the finals.
Agree.....dont want to miss top two and end up having to play the Swans or Lions interstate because thats just too hard in the finals especially with banged up key players.
Imo the Swans are clear favourites unless they get massive injuries to their key players, have been the best team and have a terrific home ground advantage and recruited to win a premiership this season with Grundy and Adams. We are not the finished product and need more tinkering with list and some fresh kids like the Campos to give us a spark and some energy next season.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 20 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Last post by ElwoodBlues1 -
Yep EB, I'm at a loss with Young, has all the attributes to be a contributor but soft at the contest.  I thought it was a confidence issue but doesn't play like it means anything to him.  I'd pay out his contract and tell him to F off, that kind of attitude causes deep cultural issues at clubs.  No passengers.

I think Walsh's back issues are a real issue, he's lost any burst speed.  "Back related" hamstring used to be thing, and a real concern

Cerra needs a rocket as well. Play with intensity or piss off to Cramer Street.
Agree Prof, Im happy to trade Young out and try my luck with someone else as a KP tall defender, his intensity is zero and he looks cooked as far as wanting to contest hard and is a shadow of the player who impressed in his first season.
Cerra is also wanting it bruise free and looking for the cheapie on the outside....one clearance , one tackle and only 4 contested out of his miserable 15 possessions isnt good enough for what we are paying him and he needs to support Cripps, Walsh etc better or learn about responsibility and workrate in the VFL.
Too many players wanting it bruise free and for the usual suspects in Cripps and Walsh doing the hard yakka, wearing the knocks and those two looked jaded and tired at the end. Walsh looks really out of sorts and needs a rest but we cant afford it given we have nothing to replace him with. I can see Ben Camporeale playing a lot of footy next season....
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 20 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Last post by pew2 -
well i got that wrong i thought we would win, BUT once again our crap game plan i call it u12 get ball boot ball we are so predictable my 2 favourite parts are 1 the kick in from football back long to the wing only to watch it come straight back and 2 long bomb to our fwds and no pressure from our smalls. Trouble is i was saying the same thing last year .Voss and co haven't changed a thing WORRY
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 20 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Last post by PaulP -
It's interesting, this idea of the psychology of the sporting mind. It's something of a dilemma, because you can't tell the players that our best team is not on the park, we have a few players out, therefore just try your best etc. But on the other hand, that's precisely what we, the coaches and the players are know perfectly well. There are very good reasons why clubs chase the top draft picks, why Cripps gets paid way more than Lewis Young. You can't tell the players injuries to A grade team mates are an excuse, but we all know those players are first choice for a reason. You can't keep winning with too many stars out. I didn't see our players lack effort last night. But they looked disorganized and tired, and you end up with an untenable situation where the B and C graders are not quite up to the mark, and the A graders try to overcompensate. At least that's how I see it. 
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 20 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Last post by Thryleon -
At the start of the season my greatest concern was expectation. And how we would deal with it and rise above it.

So let's distill and keep it simple. Here's the boring repetitious stuff that I've being banging on about for months (that erases nervous expectation delivery)... be the hunters. Live it and breath it.

A cliche that p1sses me off is... 'we know we can't have it all our way all the time...' what a ridiculous obvious reality to put in the player's heads and hearts - it opens a back door. It's a lapse excuse. It's a lapse justification. That's human nature, don't feed it with comments that give a lapse a justification or excuse.

Hunters crack the sh*ts with lapses. Hunters are intolerant of lapses and letting other sides in. Being the hunter should be and must be the default and the ruthlessly persistent position. And if someone hunts us... fckn great... 'now I'm going to hunt you harder than you hunt me, and for longer'. Hunters inspire and lift team mates. Hunters create an energy and spirit that is contagious & omnipotent... and a great single focus, provided, in our game, you have the blokes who can deliver. In the main, we have those blokes. A hunter culture weeds out non-hackers real quick. Examples? Newman is a hunter, so is Weiters, so is Acres, so is Crippa, so is Charles, so is TDK. I'm sure you can think of examples of blokes who once hunted, succumb. They're not hunters. Above the shoulders stuff, again.

This is a combative sport. Keep it simple. Be the hunters for 120 minutes. Every single minute.

isn't that the whole point of saying we can't have it our way all the time?

To keep you fighting when it isn't?