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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: List Building - More than one way to skin a cat
Last post by kruddler -
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I don't understand how commentators can declare a coach is under massive pressure, yet those same commentators argue that our list is weaker. Basically saying Voss has to achieve more with less. Top shelf drivel.

Not sure if you've read these very forums, but i can understand where the pressure is coming from because many around here think we've improved our list in the off-season.

If those same people make enough noise when things go bad, then it gets really bad really quickly.
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Ladies Lounge / Re: AFLW List Management 2026
Last post by kruddler -
Unlike the mens team, there is real optimism with list changes and 'the place to be'.
Not one person wants out, yet everyone wants in.

Wonder who we will target
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: List Building - More than one way to skin a cat
Last post by MickyO -
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Yes, it's weak article written by someone with scant regard for the facts and minimal analytical ability.
Not really, it's on the money, Voss has to achieve more with less and Wright has left him as the fall guy by not extending him causing that extra pressure.
No one is buying that losing TDK, Jack and Charlie has made us better and its all about the optics of Carlton not sacking another coach to make the  club looking like it's changed it's ways but it's going to be a mammoth task for Voss to survive.
I hope he is able to do it!

At least he won’t have a few there playing half arsed this year.

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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: List Building - More than one way to skin a cat
Last post by ElwoodBlues1 -
Quote from: DJC – on
Quote from: PaulP – on
I don't understand how commentators can declare a coach is under massive pressure, yet those same commentators argue that our list is weaker. Basically saying Voss has to achieve more with less. Top shelf drivel.

Yes, it's weak article written by someone with scant regard for the facts and minimal analytical ability.
Not really, it's on the money, Voss has to achieve more with less and Wright has left him as the fall guy by not extending him causing that extra pressure.
No one is buying that losing TDK, Jack and Charlie has made us better and its all about the optics of Carlton not sacking another coach to make the  club looking like it's changed it's ways but it's going to be a mammoth task for Voss to survive.

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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: List Building - More than one way to skin a cat
Last post by Thryleon -
Quote from: Lods – on
Quote from: kruddler – on


So our list management strategy is seeing who wants to come to us and work in with what we have.

....and if nobody wants to come to us??

This is where the draft cuts out the 'want' side of things.
If they end up wanting out, then so be it, but you've got something of value you can trade.
If not, then problem solved.

"What if no-one wants to come to us..."
Seriously?

You do some really good, deep analysis and then you pull out these 'extreme' conclusions.
At the end of the day it's all a guess and personal opinion, embellished with a bit of bias as to how we would do things.
The draft has it's place, but that place loses its importance the deeper into the draft you go.
Recruiting has a lot of elements and there comes a point where one element becomes preferable over another.
Talls are always risky through the draft.
You might draft 4 or 5 for nil result
Yet a look at young players with a couple of years experience and you have a better idea of the player they might be.

The what if game:

What if we topped up two years ago and won a flag?

What if we topped up with B grade recruits ala Richmond post 3 peat, and then bottomed out like they have with everyone wanting out to greener pastures so they can rebuild anew?

What if we hadnt sacked Ratten and appointed Malthouse?

What if we hadnt let Eddie Betts leave?

What if SOS hadnt drafted Finbar O Dwyer?

What if Baldilocks hadnt had a falling out with SOS?

What if my grandmother had testicles?

Its all well and good to hypothesize, but we have built a layer of kids that can carry us forward now players have started dropping off from the heady days of 2 half good seasons.   We recruited ready mades in Cerra, Hewett, Saad, Mcgovern and Williams.  It got us into also ran status, and whilst we started believing we were good enough, it didnt come together for long enough before this season to really make us believe we could win it. 

Why?  IMHO it was dumb luck.  We put ourselves in the frame, but we still had too much left to too few, and were never really dominant looking like we could win from anywhere.  It happend a handfull of times, but not as regularly as Collingwood 2023 who you just knew would find a way, nor as regularly as Brisbane over the last 5 years who have played as many poor games as we have really accomplished ones.  Partly through injury.  So many players missing entire seasons from our team.  Im not hoping we dont lose one, im hoping its someone we care less about these days and wont impact our fortunes greatly.

The kids dont look like they will win us much, but there are a few prospective 200 gamers in that young lot, and between HOF and what we think Dean will be, our key position defenders are set for the next 10 years. 
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Ladies Lounge / AFLW List Management 2026
Last post by crashlander -
Yes, it is that time of year again, when players get moved on.
We've announced 3 changes today:
[1] Tarni Brown: daughter of Collingwood's ..., we traded for Tarni a couple of drafts back. She played most games last season, but has a 'medical condition' (unspecified), which left her off the park this years. She has decided to retire, as she doesn't think she can perform at the highest level any longer.
[2] Eliza Wood: our VFL Captain this year, she was promoted when Kerryn Peterson took a year off to have a baby. She didn't manage a senior game this year, mainly die to senior injury. I have no idea if she will go back to our VFL side or not, as her knee will take some time to recover from.
[3] Charlotte Brewer: another SSP selection, replacing Eliza Wood when she got injured. Charlotte didn't play a game this year.

It will be interesting to see if Kerryn Peterson returns. She had her baby in August.

Already there have been rumours of young talent from elsewhere looking to come here.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: List Building - More than one way to skin a cat
Last post by ElwoodBlues1 -
From Foxsports commenting on coaches in the hotseat and ranking them. Like myself and a few other others they are not sharing the enthusiasm for the player ins/outs total result.
1. Michael Voss (Carlton)

After coming awfully close to being dismissed this year, there irrefutably isn’t anyone on a hotter seat in the competition than Voss, who was allowed to coach into the final year of his current contract in 2026. The Blues under Voss built to a 13-win 2023 campaign that netted a preliminary final berth, before stagnating last year and regressing to nine wins in 2025. But is it finals or bust for the four-year Carlton coach? Should that be the pass mark? Off-season list changes — with Charlie Curnow, Tom De Koning and Jack Silvagni all notably departing — complicate matters, as it’s hard to argue Carlton improved its personnel for Voss to utilise. The Blues did gain Will Hayward and Ollie Florent and will hopefully have a healthy Jagga Smith back in the fold, but that still might not be enough in the short term to save Voss.