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Quote from: kruddler – on November 26, 2025, 10:11:27 pm

As for free agency, there is 2 problems with your logic imo.
1. Players get to choose where they will go and if you are languishing down the bottom they will choose elsewhere. I expect to be unattractive to free agents.
2. In order to get them otherwise, you pay overs, very much overs and blow up your salary cap in the process and piss off existing players... who take the opportunity to go elsewhere.

Free agents  won't choose us if we're languishing at the bottom of the ladder?...they probably won't, altough I suspect contract dollars will be a bigger attraction.

But who declares we'll be at the bottom?...that's just an assumption to support the argument.
Your expectations are just a guess.
Who wouldn't want to play with players the calibre of Cripps, Walsh, Weitering etc.

To trades- If you want Charlie Curnow it will probably cost you three first rounders.
But you dont do the trade at the player's peak.
You do it when the opportunity arises, the player fits your needs, they show a bit and still have plenty of time to develop(22-23 years).
It may cost you a little more but it's value compared to an 18 year old man/child in the draft.

Quote from: Lods – on November 26, 2025, 07:35:09 pm

That's the crux of the problem
People are looking at a half-finished project as if it's complete
It's a work in progress.

Sometimes i wonder if im the only one that remembers our performances over the past 2 decades.
The above is the caption under the photo of cfc post 2000.

I find the timing terrible. We are rebuilding a prelim side when we hadn't been a prelim side for 2 decades.

I accept we will be better in a couple years than we are now. I have serious doubts we will be better than we were a couple years ago.

I think we could have avoided being here earlier but that ship had sailed.
I think the 'start with the spine' approach is the proven method to get the team up and going together at the right time and the current method takes the destiny out of our hands somewhat as we are relying on poaching players to get better.

I'm not saying our current strategy will fail.
I'm not saying our current team cannot achieve success.
But i know where the smart money would be and I'm yet to see evidence to justify the blind faith in the current list management team.

Quote from: Lods – on November 26, 2025, 07:21:54 pm

The difference of opinion lies in how we acquire KPP's
You want to draft them
I want to trade them in, or grab them via free agency
Too much uncertainty about a 'project' player
If you can get a good one in the first round (Dean) go for it.
If not, go looking.

There's been no inconsistency in my opinion we had a problem with youth since I raised it before last years draft.
If anything I was just a bit behind the recruiters who were already on the case.
I've caught up now.

As for free agency, there is 2 problems with your logic imo.
1. Players get to choose where they will go and if you are languishing down the bottom they will choose elsewhere. I expect to be unattractive to free agents.
2. In order to get them otherwise, you pay overs, very much overs and blow up your salary cap in the process and piss off existing players... who take the opportunity to go elsewhere.

That's the crux of the problem
People are looking at a half-finished project as if it's complete
It's a work in progress.

Quote from: kruddler – on November 26, 2025, 03:11:58 pm

See i find these comments from you fascinating.

I was highlighting time is running out, so we needed to start drafting our spine replacements. I was told by you, and others, that either we had plenty of time or we had enough cover with what we had.

I was also told i was thinking of the now with recruiting these replacements when all along i was trying to prepare for this very moment.

Now you say it was the right thing to do?
This seems very contradictory from you.

Of course, that aside is still doesn't conform if it is the right time.
Geelong and Collingwood wouldn't have done it. They've been ready to fall off the age cliff for the better part of 2 decades now in geelongs case, less so for the pies, but still, they are old and holding on.

Eg pendles if he plays on after next year will play against Cody walker.
He not only played with his dad, but was drafted just 2 years after him.
Imagine if they started a rebuild like we did when we did.

So no, i don't think it was the right thing to do. I think had we drafted kpps when i flagged it, we wouldn't need to be doing one now either.

The difference of opinion lies in how we acquire KPP's
You want to draft them
I want to trade them in, or grab them via free agency
Too much uncertainty about a 'project' player
If you can get a good one in the first round (Dean) go for it.
If not, go looking.

There's been no inconsistency in my opinion we had a problem with youth since I raised it before last years draft.
If anything I was just a bit behind the recruiters who were already on the case.
I've caught up now.

Quote from: Lods – on November 26, 2025, 08:51:48 am

It was absolutely the right thing to do.
I wrote before last year's draft that the time was running out for the class of 2015, and by extension Cripps and Docherty.
And that we were looking very light on for youth.
We've addressed that in the last two drafts and we're looking much better in terms of the future.

It's sad for players like Docherty.
It may have influenced Silvagni and Curnow.

But I'm not sure who we could have added in that recruiting period after the prelim that would have made a significant difference.

See i find these comments from you fascinating.

I was highlighting time is running out, so we needed to start drafting our spine replacements. I was told by you, and others, that either we had plenty of time or we had enough cover with what we had.

I was also told i was thinking of the now with recruiting these replacements when all along i was trying to prepare for this very moment.

Now you say it was the right thing to do?
This seems very contradictory from you.

Of course, that aside is still doesn't conform if it is the right time.
Geelong and Collingwood wouldn't have done it. They've been ready to fall off the age cliff for the better part of 2 decades now in geelongs case, less so for the pies, but still, they are old and holding on.

Eg pendles if he plays on after next year will play against Cody walker.
He not only played with his dad, but was drafted just 2 years after him.
Imagine if they started a rebuild like we did when we did.

So no, i don't think it was the right thing to do. I think had we drafted kpps when i flagged it, we wouldn't need to be doing one now either.

Do I think that we should have drafted any of the KPFs that were available at our picks.  No I don't.

Quote from: DJC – on November 26, 2025, 05:16:57 pm

Do I think that our club's ranking of A- for our list management team's work at the draft is fair?  Yes I do; it was a job very well done in terms of the players drafted, the strategy we followed, our pick trades and our much strengthened hand for the 2026 draft.  That's what sets them apart from other list managers.

We had a target of the type of players we wanted. We got them, and some future picks in the process.  That's why we got an a-.

Do those who give out those rankings no more about our team and it's needs than those on here? I doubt it, but it's sells papers.

Was that the right strategy?  Not so sure.

So it team followed a plan brilliantly. Fantastic. Not doubting that.

My question though is what makes you think our team know what they are doing better than anyone else?

Everyone has a plan.
Everyone follows that plan.
Why is this plan the right plan when all the other plans are apparently the wrong plan??