Lods...
There is no point finding evidence to disprove those claims as we are drifting further and further away from the point.
The point is you and others like you are putting down outgoings and pumping up incomings.
Simply compare people's thoughts pre trade period and post trade period and you'll see the hypocrisy involved.
The English press certainly do not hold back. Our media is far from blameless, but I doubt we'd see quite the same level of hate being expressed.You go from chocolates to boiled lollies very quickly over there.
Its the nature of English sports. They need something to write about. Follow the EPL for a season. They display Carlton like pressure cooker in the media.
I'm not comparing them to their best. Nowhere did i say Charlie will kick 81 goals. I didn't put any figure on it actually, but even if he kicks half that, its most likely more than any recruit we bring in. Yes, the load will spread. We may even kick the same amount of goals as 2025, but i guarantee you it will be easier with a half fit Curnow than without (Opinion with no factual basis)
Same with the others.
That being said, you are the polar opposite...and not alone.
All the players that went out are no good, broken old hacks.
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All the players that are coming in have never had a bad game of football in their life and will cover for the a-graders we have lost.
Thats a bit of emotive nonsense...I never said that and I doubt any other poster has ever said that.
TDK at 'half rat power' is still better than anyone else besides Pittonet.
I did chuckle how you used Pittonets ruck work comparison to show how he is superior to TDK. The same thing you and everyone else have been telling me how unimportant that is. Funny, when the shoe is on the other foot.
The only poster I recall saying ruckwork wasn't that important was your good self. The debate was always two rucks vs one. Pittonet is a better tap ruckman. TDK is more like the old ruck rover and is better around the ground. If Tom wasn't available Pitto was a pretty good substitute..and some of the midfielders have said they enjoyed 'roving' to him.
Oh i didn't take into account the injured players we get back?
Oh, i didn't know you included the players that will be injured this year?!
They haven't been injured yet so it's pretty hard to include themI've absolutely and consistently stated that injuries could once again derail our season
All things being equal, we got worse. Simple. No amount of spin can change that.
Once again your opinion
It's just others don't agree with you. Some do. What I'm arguing with is that you are looking at the 'best' of these players and arguing what we've lost means we will slip further down the ladder.
But if Tom, Charlie and Jack, had played at that level (their best) for a whole season I'm pretty sure we would have finished better than eleventh.
Even 50-60 goals from Charlie would have made a difference.
TDK is a loss, but it's a loss of a certain type of ruckman and we still have Pittonet who shaded him in ruck work, and O'Keefe (who is a probably a better ruck forward) who will more than likely improve....and Reidy who was behind a couple of pretty good rucks at Freo but played some very good football at the WAFL level, to consider...so net loss for TDK not so much.
So we have to look at their 2025 output when deciding whether or not their loss is as significant as you claim.
We only have to replace their 2025 efforts to maintain our position or do better.
Now that's even before we consider the season losses of Newman, Kemp and Jagga.
Add the loss of O'Farrell when he was just starting to show the goods.
Then consider Harry and his issues...the distraction that was Elijah.
You can't see how we're going to be as good as 11th
I can't see how we're going to be worse.
So best we agree to disgree.
That's the whole point.
I'm sorry these guys are not there.
Fully fit they would be in everybody's best team.
They would enhance our side.
If we were doing this exercise and they were still on the list they get a game in most people's sides.
Why? Because the ground rules Kruddler laid down said they were "fully fit" (even O' Farrell is in the mix and he might not even play a game next year.)
I think some have forgotten the 'ground' rules for this List Management debate, and the key question.
"Higher ladder position in 2025 or 2026"
Some are having difficulty grasping why we won't slide.
That debate question spreads over a number of threads, is ongoing, and also applies here... Will we perform better in 2026 than we did in 2025 given the changes to the list?
And that debate centres around the three main players we have lost, and the players coming in through trade and draft.
Don't think Coleman Charlie 2023, think Charlie 2025.
Charlie's contribution 2023 would be near impossible to cover
Charlie 2025...not so much.
There is every chance they will blossom at their new clubs and regain their best form, but early indications for 2026 are not great with both Jack and Tom missing some significant pre-season. Jack in particular seems to have an ongoing injury issue...and I suspect for some time has had a fair bit on his plate, which may go some way to explaining his decision to move.
Tom has had the distraction of the big money move. Charlie and Jack have had ongoing injury problems, all these impacted on their form the past year.
And that's why if you ask me the question... Will we be better in 2026 than we were at 11th place in 2025?...I'm guessing, yes.
Will we finish higher than we did in 2023...I'm guessing, no....2027 for that target.