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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: How does Crippa rank among the panoply of Carlton greats?
Last post by Gointocarlton -
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Agree, as good as Kouta was, he elite stuff only lasted for a relatively short period of time.

To be in the best 5 of the club, I reckon you need to have had a club-changing career, not just three or four seasons.   That puts many others in front of Kouta on the 'All Time' list.......

If we were only judging talent and impact, he rates pretty highly- but other names have had a longer-lasting and more profound effect on CFC.

Yes, when he was on there was no one better IMO. For comparison, he and Hird started and ended their careers at pretty much the same time, same age, similar number of games. I agree with your criteria, and judging by that, I would have Hird ahead of Kouta.

Hird was a superstar player, no doubt about it. Hird however could not do what Kouta could, not another player thats played the game could.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: How does Crippa rank among the panoply of Carlton greats?
Last post by kruddler -
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Agree, as good as Kouta was, he elite stuff only lasted for a relatively short period of time.

To be in the best 5 of the club, I reckon you need to have had a club-changing career, not just three or four seasons.   That puts many others in front of Kouta on the 'All Time' list.......

If we were only judging talent and impact, he rates pretty highly- but other names have had a longer-lasting and more profound effect on CFC.

Yes, when he was on there was no one better IMO. For comparison, he and Hird started and ended their careers at pretty much the same time, same age, similar number of games. I agree with your criteria, and judging by that, I would have Hird ahead of Kouta.

So Pendles is the best player ever then? He's played the most games?? More success by comparison.
Or should you give it to Michael Tuck, close to most games and most finals and GF's.

The greatest players can have reasons they didn't sustain that success.

Depends on your criteria at the end of the day.

I'm picking Kouta over just about any other player out there. He changed the game and what recruiters started looking for......for better or worse.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: How does Crippa rank among the panoply of Carlton greats?
Last post by PaulP -
Quote from: tonyo – on
Agree, as good as Kouta was, he elite stuff only lasted for a relatively short period of time.

To be in the best 5 of the club, I reckon you need to have had a club-changing career, not just three or four seasons.   That puts many others in front of Kouta on the 'All Time' list.......

If we were only judging talent and impact, he rates pretty highly- but other names have had a longer-lasting and more profound effect on CFC.

Yes, when he was on there was no one better IMO. For comparison, he and Hird started and ended their careers at pretty much the same time, same age, similar number of games. I agree with your criteria, and judging by that, I would have Hird ahead of Kouta.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Last post by DJC -
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An illegal knackery was processing horse meat for dog food and primarily the greyhound industry.
The inference was that butchering horses is illegal, but of course that's not the case.

You need a proper license to operate a knackery, and horse owners call them doggers because that is what is in the can!

Part of the law is designed to stop people keeping unwell animals, if a horse is unwell or too weak doggers can't take them, this actually encourages owners to act before animals suffer. And licensed doggers know what they are doing.

It is legal to butcher horses for human consumption in Australia but I believe that no licences have been issued (or sought). 

My mother used to send me to the Coburg Market to buy horse meat for our dog from the pet shop there back in the 1960s.  The meat was dyed blue to indicate that it wasn't for human consumption.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: How does Crippa rank among the panoply of Carlton greats?
Last post by tonyo -
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Kouta’s best was right up there. The problem is there isn't enough of it.
Agree, as good as Kouta was, he elite stuff only lasted for a relatively short period of time.

To be in the best 5 of the club, I reckon you need to have had a club-changing career, not just three or four seasons.   That puts many others in front of Kouta on the 'All Time' list.......

If we were only judging talent and impact, he rates pretty highly- but other names have had a longer-lasting and more profound effect on CFC.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Last post by Thryleon -
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Of course we all would, Thry, but they are different things.

Which is why im cynical about modern career politicians.

They get into an industry where the perks are many, the reward for doing so, extremely high, and they ride the gravy train for life.

This makes them extremely likely to create budgets and approaches that protect their income, and position, rather than make unpopular decisions which impact many people.

This makes them compromised. 

The question is, is that the lesser of two evils?  Are they truly positioned to speak on behalf of the populace who wont earn their pension money as an annual wage?

Not sure, but it means that they are the type that are very much inclined to look after their own purse strings from the get go.  Those most likely to be successful at governing, wouldnt want the job.