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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Jim Park Voting AFL Rd 7 2026 Carlton vs Fremantle
Last post by crashlander -
AFL Rd 7 2026   Carlton vs Fremantle in Perth

Rating:      C
We didn’t give up, we came back nicely in the last quarter, but we were always coming from behind. They always seemed to have the better of things. :( :(

Votes:
[3]   Sam Walsh
[2]   Brodie Kemp
[1.5]   Patrick Cripps
[1.5]   Mitch McGovern
[1.5]   Matt Carroll
[1]   Nick Haynes
[1]   Nick Newman
[1]   Will Hayward
[1]   Zac Williams
[0.5]   Jagga Smith
[0.5]   Jacob Weitering
[0.5]   Liam Reidy

Explanations:
[3]   Sam Walsh:      Easily our best player, he had a huge last quarter and was instrumental in our comeback. 32 possessions, 7 tackles, 4 clearances and a goal was our best statistically.
[2]   Brodie Kemp:      Probably the most effective forward in the game, he not only kicked 4 goals, he provided a target. Only 8 possessions, but 7 marks.
[1.5]   Patrick Cripps:      Normally, when Cripps gets 31 possessions, 11 clearances, 7 tackles and a goal, he’s by far BOG. Not this time. Still, he was one of the best contributors.
[1.5]   Mitch McGovern:   Like Kemp, McGovern didn’t get a lot of ball, but he provided a target and kicked important goals.
[1.5]   Matt Carroll:      21 possessions and some nice marks. A good, solid game.
[1]   Nick Haynes:      I wish a few more of our players had as much idea how to do things as Nick Haynes does.
[1]   Nick Newman:      Slowly getting back to form.
[1]   Will Hayward:      Wirked hard, but not making the most of his opportunities.
[1]   Zac Williams:      Really good in patches.
[0.5]   Jagga Smith:      A solid contributor.
[0.5]   Jacob Weitering:   Nowhere near his best, but he was still probably the best key defender on the park.
[0.5]   Liam Reidy:      Got thrashed in the ruck, but never game up managed to get a lot more possessions that you might think.

Honourable Mentions:
Ben Ainsworth:   Worked hard, but things just didn’t go his way.
Harry Dean:      Lot a lot of ball, but Dean still did some nice things. A real green shoot.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 7 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle
Last post by crashlander -
Just watching the replay (I don't have pay TV) and not enjoying it much at all.

[1] Structurally, we are really struggling. We don't have the right people for the job. We lack athleticism all over the field. Our better players are not being as effective as they have in the past (Weitering, Cripps, even Walsh, although he's trying damned hard and has been our best this year). We don't have the right age demographic. We're playing with very little confidence.

[2] Cerra is having a shocking season. He isn't making an impact, his disposal has been ordinary and he has been fumbling a lot. His lack of pace at the moment is also hurting us in the centre square.
I think he needs to go back to the VFL for George Hewett. George doesn't have the pace we really need either, but at least he's in better form now, after a spell.

[3] Sam Walsh's disposal is becoming an issue. God knows he's working hard enough, but he just isn't hitting the mark far too often. he's never been a great kick at goal, but his lack of goalkicking prowess really sticks out at the moment.

[4] It is actually terrible that Nick Haynes is so important for us. He couldn't get a game at GWS and he isn't quick or strong, but he has been one of our best defenders.

[5] Ashton Moir ... no, I'm not going there. Perhaps our next coach can get the best out of him.

[6] Our players need to spend a lot of time in the gym. We aren't strong enough far too often. Our tackles get broken too often, while we rarely break tackles. Guys like Moir, Smith and Byrne need to live in the gym until they have muscles like Rachele of Adelaide. Same goes for Lewis Young.

[7] I've talked about our ruck situation, our poor disposal and our questionable decision making enough. I'm not going to bring them up again, but it is very clear that these are issues we have not addressed adequately.

[8] I really dislike Mason Cox. The guy does so little, yet we allow him to do more against us than he does against anyone else. And his attitude. No, I'm not going there.

[9] Frankie Evans probably needs to go back to the VFL for a while. I love the way he goes about things, but he is also nowhere near his best form. He dropped 3 potential marks he should have held within range of goal.
Give him a week or two to get the confidence in his body (which I'm sure is one of the reasons he hasn't been as good) and some form, and give Flynn Young a go.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: VFL Rd 6 2026: Carlton vs St Kilda at Carlton
Last post by Baggers -
Really looking forward to this game... especially keen to see the progress of Flynn Young, Jack Ison, Wade Derksen, Billy Wilson. Hopefully B Camporeale returns to the midfield. Hopefully HOK improves. (Although Flynn, Jack and Billy should be in the seniors we know they won't get a gig... Vossy likes his faves and the tried and true).
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 8 2026 Pre Game Predictions Carlton vs St. Kilda at Marvel
Last post by ElwoodBlues1 -
Quote from: rocky – on
Anyway, back to the topic at hand. How I would love to see some creative and ballsy changes this week.
However,
1. If Pitto comes in, Reidy will make way for him. No doubt
2. If Harry comes in, I'd be surprised if Moir didn't get dropped.
That's probably it. That's the way we roll, unfortunately.
I'd also do the following
Young Byrne needs a spell. Should've happened last week, but they probably didn't want to drop him after the missed goal v the pies. Don't need the hysteria from the media around it. They'll probably bring in Ollie Hollands for him. Shame as Flynn Young is the obvious replacement.
Maybe they'll drop Frankie instead for Flynn Young, which I'd hate because Frankie is one of the few who has a football brain and can kick to advantage,
Do we have anyone to rid us of Lewis Young? I'd take anyone.
Give Cerra a spell and straight swap him for George. No brainer
Reward a guy like Billy Wilson who at least has pace, for someone like Cowan. Who has a good game every 4 weeks at this stage
I thought Williams was one of our better players so not sure why all the hate?
Anyway, we'll end up doing 1 & 2 above I guess and that will be the end of it.
Roll on, roll on
Williams bailed out and dropped his head in a simple marking contest thinking he was going to get contact from behind, turning the ball over then did the same thing again but tried to disguise it by feigning he was pushed and some of ground ball contests were equally soft and half hearted.
It's not the first time either in fact it's a regular occurrence if you watch him closely over what has been a disappointing career with us imho.
Voss is meant to be big on standards but seems to miss Zac when it comes to inconsistent contesting. Sure he kicks the ball a bit better than most and can kick a goal but down back or in the middle he is a liability and I wouldnt be offering him another contract because he is unreliable and can't be trusted.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 8 2026 Pre Game Predictions Carlton vs St. Kilda at Marvel
Last post by rocky -
Anyway, back to the topic at hand. How I would love to see some creative and ballsy changes this week.
However,
1. If Pitto comes in, Reidy will make way for him. No doubt
2. If Harry comes in, I'd be surprised if Moir didn't get dropped.
That's probably it. That's the way we roll, unfortunately.
I'd also do the following
Young Byrne needs a spell. Should've happened last week, but they probably didn't want to drop him after the missed goal v the pies. Don't need the hysteria from the media around it. They'll probably bring in Ollie Hollands for him. Shame as Flynn Young is the obvious replacement.
Maybe they'll drop Frankie instead for Flynn Young, which I'd hate because Frankie is one of the few who has a football brain and can kick to advantage,
Do we have anyone to rid us of Lewis Young? I'd take anyone.
Give Cerra a spell and straight swap him for George. No brainer
Reward a guy like Billy Wilson who at least has pace, for someone like Cowan. Who has a good game every 4 weeks at this stage
I thought Williams was one of our better players so not sure why all the hate?
Anyway, we'll end up doing 1 & 2 above I guess and that will be the end of it.
Roll on, roll on
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 8 2026 Pre Game Predictions Carlton vs St. Kilda at Marvel
Last post by kruddler -
Quote from: shawny – on
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You get bored and make up the movie in your head?


Huh?
TDK is overrated and on crazy money, doesn't mean he can't teach our 8th gamer a few things....or are you suggest HOK is the equal of TDK???

Again, we got beaten by someone....some of the best players in the game.
Out of curiosity, i had a quick look for top 50 players for 2026 prediction, clicked on the first link that popped up.
https://www.espn.com.au/afl/story/_/id/47893628/afl-top-50-best-afl-players-season-2026-daicos-bontempelli-heeney-neale-darcy
All of the players you mentioned were in the top 50, including Daicos at #2.
So yes, we got beaten by good players and we struggled to stop them......just like every other team struggles to stop them, because they are elite. Perhaps we don't have the players to stop them. Could that be a list management issue??

Incidently of the players that left
Curnow - #14
The blokes we got in, didn't crack the top 50.
So yeah, our list got worst.

Leigh Matthews couldn't stop Daicos with our list. Not sure why you think Voss can.


Again more excuses after excuses after excuses.

With debating skills like yours, i don't know why i bother.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 8 2026 Pre Game Predictions Carlton vs St. Kilda at Marvel
Last post by shawny -
Quote from: kruddler – on
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But i thought TDK was average and on crazy money - now he all of sudden he is a star and not able to be beaten and shouldn't be mentioned? What's your excuse why we allow Sinclair to play on his own every time we play them?

We have been crushed in every game except R1 as our Coaching department has NFI how to stop a run on how to clamp a player, no defensive modes - NADDA.

And this is not just this year - How many times has the same footballers done little then they play like superman against us.  Check the list below of matchwinners that turned it on and killed in so far this year.

OR: Gulden - #23
R3: Pickett - #27
R4: LDU - #42
R5: N Daicos - #2
R6: Bolton - #43

Agree there is a pattern or you can find another excuse. Look at their games lending into the game against us - they all hit top form against us... Why? Could it just possibly be that our coaching debt is below par on planning and tactics for opposition matchwinners and we have no systems to slow the play hence why the minute a player or team get a run on everyman and his dog knows it curtains.

Nah its cause we lost Jack, Charlie and TDK in the offseason and only got in old duds.

Of course it is.

You get bored and make up the movie in your head?

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But i thought TDK was average and on crazy money - now he all of sudden he is a star and not able to be beaten and shouldn't be mentioned?
Huh?
TDK is overrated and on crazy money, doesn't mean he can't teach our 8th gamer a few things....or are you suggest HOK is the equal of TDK???

Again, we got beaten by someone....some of the best players in the game.
Out of curiosity, i had a quick look for top 50 players for 2026 prediction, clicked on the first link that popped up.
https://www.espn.com.au/afl/story/_/id/47893628/afl-top-50-best-afl-players-season-2026-daicos-bontempelli-heeney-neale-darcy
All of the players you mentioned were in the top 50, including Daicos at #2.
So yes, we got beaten by good players and we struggled to stop them......just like every other team struggles to stop them, because they are elite. Perhaps we don't have the players to stop them. Could that be a list management issue??

Incidently of the players that left
Curnow - #14
The blokes we got in, didn't crack the top 50.
So yeah, our list got worst.

Leigh Matthews couldn't stop Daicos with our list. Not sure why you think Voss can.


Again more excuses after excuses after excuses.