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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: List Building - More than one way to skin a cat
Last post by Lods -
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You're right.
They do get a lot from social media and talkback forums.
Because of our supporter numbers we may get a bit more airtime on talkback.
But if you have a look at the various club forums (bigfooty club boards are a good example) it's pretty obvious that we're not Robinson Crusoe when it comes to Club criticism.
All supporters do it.
The other thing is we're probably the club that attracts more criticism from opposition supporters than any other club by a big margin. They like to kick us while we're struggling.

Yes and no.

As a general rule, Carlton supporters are more passionate.
I think that largely comes down to our ethnic background which is/was unique to Carlton, the suburb, and has continued on.

I can say this, because i am one, but generally wogs/Italians barrack for Carlton.....well more likely to barrack for Carlton.
Its certainly not limited to that ethnicity, but club support is generational and thats our history. Italians are also known for their passion. Thus Carlton are 'slightly different' to other teams.
I'm not sure if that translates to those 'north of the border' like yourself, but its definitely a thing down here.

Hard to say for sure.
I remember years ago there was a figure that 20% of our members lived outside of either Melbourne or Victoria (not sure which) but that was a while ago, and the club doesn't appear to give a breakdown of the different numbers in membership categories these days.

What is apparent is that support for the club is nationwide.
That used to be obvious at Swans games when they first went to Sydney, and again when I went to a game on the Gold Coast a few years back.
There was just as many people in Carlton jumpers as there were in the jumpers of the home teams.
Back in the day the only vision many states got of AFL was a 'match of the day' each week.
It was a golden era for us and we'd feature more than any club in those games most years.
That may have done something for our interstate popularity.

I'm always surprised when I ask who people support and the answer comes back ...Carlton.
Just on this forum I suspect if you took a survey of where folks lived it would be surprising how many live out of Melbourne or intersate.
I can think of quite a few without even trying too hard.

Anyway back to the fight. :D
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: List Building - More than one way to skin a cat
Last post by kruddler -
Quote from: Lods – on
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Yeah, i get that, but where do the media get this from? The see it games, they hear it on talkback radio, they see it on social media.

We start it, they broadcast it, we continue it, they enhance it.....

Far be it from me to stick up for the media, but they do it with Carlton because Carlton does it to itself.

You're right.
They do get a lot from social media and talkback forums.
Because of our supporter numbers we may get a bit more airtime on talkback.
But if you have a look at the various club forums (bigfooty club boards are a good example) it's pretty obvious that we're not Robinson Crusoe when it comes to Club criticism.
All supporters do it.
The other thing is we're probably the club that attracts more criticism from opposition supporters than any other club by a big margin. They like to kick us while we're struggling.

Yes and no.

As a general rule, Carlton supporters are more passionate.
I think that largely comes down to our ethnic background which is/was unique to Carlton, the suburb, and has continued on.

I can say this, because i am one, but generally wogs/Italians barrack for Carlton.....well more likely to barrack for Carlton.
Its certainly not limited to that ethnicity, but club support is generational and thats our history. Italians are also known for their passion. Thus Carlton are 'slightly different' to other teams.
I'm not sure if that translates to those 'north of the border' like yourself, but its definitely a thing down here.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: List Building - More than one way to skin a cat
Last post by Lods -
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My issue is not opinions on here. My issue is a certain cadre of individuals in the media who talk sh1t. The default position for any Carlton coach is the rotisserie, even if we recruit a bunch of U10's from around the corner. One hopes the club can adjust expectations accordingly, either up or down, in way that fairly represents our position, not this "no excuses" crap.

Yeah, i get that, but where do the media get this from? The see it games, they hear it on talkback radio, they see it on social media.

We start it, they broadcast it, we continue it, they enhance it.....

Far be it from me to stick up for the media, but they do it with Carlton because Carlton does it to itself.

You're right.
They do get a lot from social media and talkback forums.
Because of our supporter numbers we may get a bit more airtime on talkback.
But if you have a look at the various club forums (bigfooty club boards are a good example) it's pretty obvious that we're not Robinson Crusoe when it comes to Club criticism.
All supporters do it.
The other thing is we're probably the club that attracts more criticism from opposition supporters than any other club by a big margin. They like to kick us while we're struggling.


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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: List Building - More than one way to skin a cat
Last post by kruddler -
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Not sure if you've read these very forums, but i can understand where the pressure is coming from because many around here think we've improved our list in the off-season.

If those same people make enough noise when things go bad, then it gets really bad really quickly.

My issue is not opinions on here. My issue is a certain cadre of individuals in the media who talk sh1t. The default position for any Carlton coach is the rotisserie, even if we recruit a bunch of U10's from around the corner. One hopes the club can adjust expectations accordingly, either up or down, in way that fairly represents our position, not this "no excuses" crap.

Yeah, i get that, but where do the media get this from? The see it games, they hear it on talkback radio, they see it on social media.

We start it, they broadcast it, we continue it, they enhance it.....

Far be it from me to stick up for the media, but they do it with Carlton because Carlton does it to itself.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: List Building - More than one way to skin a cat
Last post by DJC -
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I'll disagree on the list coverage for those departed players, the players we have brought in are either throws at the stumps or handy B graders but I dont see any real dial movers that will be keeping other clubs up late with worry.
Director of coaching....not a fan of the position or the incumbent for reasons I have discussed previously and the Assistants cant really be judged until seasons end and we can see what went right or wrong during the season in their areas of responsibility.
Boak hopefully can improve our leadership and find some new leaders for the future....
I also dont see many of the top teams falling away apart from Collingwood, and expect the competition to be even tougher next season making it even harder to make the top 8.

Disagree all you like. 

For someone who is keen on labelling our players “injury-prone” you don’t think that Jack and Charlie had just a touch of injury-pronitis?

Florent and Hayward were drafted the year after Charlie and Jack but they’ve both played 56 more games than Jack and 35 more than Charlie.

State league players and delisted free agents are throws at the stumps but we didn’t follow the EB list management manual.  The handy B graders - Reidy and Chesser - have plenty of potential.

Adam Simpson is not “Director of Coaching”.  He reports to Voss and has a part time role mentoring the assistant coaches.

I wouldn’t be so sure about teams not falling away.  Brisbane will be stronger if anything and Gold Coast should be better.  The cellar dwellers will stay where they are and there will be 9 or 10 teams battling for the top six.


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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: List Building - More than one way to skin a cat
Last post by Gointocarlton -
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Whos the director of coaching? We dont have one.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/carlton-blues/afl-2025-adam-simpson-joins-carlton-blues-what-is-his-role-coaching-return-latest-news/news-story/f00471974fb0c5f3853a5ecfdd0ad2a6

It seems like a casual, part time, low key role. I guess you can quibble about titles - is he a director of coaching, a coaching mentor etc.?

He's not the Director of Coaching. He works for Voss (his words not mine) as another set of eyes for the coaches providing feedback.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: List Building - More than one way to skin a cat
Last post by PaulP -
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Whos the director of coaching? We dont have one.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/carlton-blues/afl-2025-adam-simpson-joins-carlton-blues-what-is-his-role-coaching-return-latest-news/news-story/f00471974fb0c5f3853a5ecfdd0ad2a6

It seems like a casual, part time, low key role. I guess you can quibble about titles - is he a director of coaching, a coaching mentor etc.?
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: List Building - More than one way to skin a cat
Last post by Gointocarlton -
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We lost an athletic ruckman with potential, a dual Coleman Medalist who was playing like he didn’t give a toss and an injury-prone, slow defender with all of 12 games as a KPD under his belt.  Only Tom was part of our late season return to form.  We’ve more than covered their loss with blokes who want to play for the club and give us greater depth, versatility and goal scoring ability.

We’ve brought in experienced assistants with new ideas, a director of coaching to wrangle the assistants, and Travis Boak to take a dedicated leadership and culture role.  Voss has more support than ever and a better list than he had last season.
I'll disagree on the list coverage for those departed players, the players we have brought in are either throws at the stumps or handy B graders but I dont see any real dial movers that will be keeping other clubs up late with worry.
Director of coaching....not a fan of the position or the incumbent for reasons I have discussed previously and the Assistants cant really be judged until seasons end and we can see what went right or wrong during the season in their areas of responsibility.
Boak hopefully can improve our leadership and find some new leaders for the future....
I also dont see many of the top teams falling away apart from Collingwood, and expect the competition to be even tougher next season making it even harder to make the top 8.
Whos the director of coaching? We dont have one.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: List Building - More than one way to skin a cat
Last post by ElwoodBlues1 -
Quote from: DJC – on
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Not really, it's on the money, Voss has to achieve more with less and Wright has left him as the fall guy by not extending him causing that extra pressure.
No one is buying that losing TDK, Jack and Charlie has made us better and its all about the optics of Carlton not sacking another coach to make the  club looking like it's changed it's ways but it's going to be a mammoth task for Voss to survive.

We lost an athletic ruckman with potential, a dual Coleman Medalist who was playing like he didn’t give a toss and an injury-prone, slow defender with all of 12 games as a KPD under his belt.  Only Tom was part of our late season return to form.  We’ve more than covered their loss with blokes who want to play for the club and give us greater depth, versatility and goal scoring ability.

We’ve brought in experienced assistants with new ideas, a director of coaching to wrangle the assistants, and Travis Boak to take a dedicated leadership and culture role.  Voss has more support than ever and a better list than he had last season.
I'll disagree on the list coverage for those departed players, the players we have brought in are either throws at the stumps or handy B graders but I dont see any real dial movers that will be keeping other clubs up late with worry.
Director of coaching....not a fan of the position or the incumbent for reasons I have discussed previously and the Assistants cant really be judged until seasons end and we can see what went right or wrong during the season in their areas of responsibility.
Boak hopefully can improve our leadership and find some new leaders for the future....
I also dont see many of the top teams falling away apart from Collingwood, and expect the competition to be even tougher next season making it even harder to make the top 8.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: List Building - More than one way to skin a cat
Last post by Gointocarlton -
Quote from: PaulP – on
Quote from: kruddler – on
Not sure if you've read these very forums, but i can understand where the pressure is coming from because many around here think we've improved our list in the off-season.

If those same people make enough noise when things go bad, then it gets really bad really quickly.

My issue is not opinions on here. My issue is a certain cadre of individuals in the media who talk sh1t. The default position for any Carlton coach is the rotisserie, even if we recruit a bunch of U10's from around the corner. One hopes the club can adjust expectations accordingly, either up or down, in way that fairly represents our position, not this "no excuses" crap.

Well they proved this year there is change as they didnt listen to the media DHs and sack the coach before his term was up. Having said that, IF we have another poor year and IF they decide not to go fwd with the coach following a thorough review, that's a different story to me. I dont reckon Wright and Co. will be swayed by media, supporters, ex players or current players who aren't prepared to work hard,