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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Pick our team in parts - Part 4 - 5 on the bench
Last post by Thryleon -How can you measure a players Average output?
I.e. Hayward? His formline stacks up over 3 years. Florent was sidelined by his coach, not his ability. So not sure its fair to do that with him, and Ainsworth had a solid year.
We are saying all these guys have to do is back up 2025 form, vs the outgoings 2025 form. Thats 11 games without being subbed off injured for JSOS.
Charlie went bog average by key forward standards. 18 games for 32 goals. 1.8 goals a game. Sure he kicked 27 behinds, but we wont miss those. All we need is Kemp to chime in for 18 games and kick 30. That will cover Charlie. Hayward and Ainsworth might make up the rest, if Kemp falls short, and Skull is a wildcard here. Played 5 games, kicked 3 goals.
TDK the ruckman is more of a unicorn than not. Thing is, you yourself @kruddler have stated that Pittonet shades him. So if Pittonet Shades him, TDK's 2025 was a mixed bag, where he was generally good for half the season and then came back to the field. Rucks are easier to cover, you just need a competitor. I.e. Is Cameron a better ruck than Grundy? Probably not. Cameron has played better footy than Grundy more often. Collingwood didnt miss him. Maybe we will have Pittonet finally have a consistent run.
JSOS. I love the guy. Is a competitor, hates being beaten. Thing is, he played 13 games, and missed 2024 completely. He was also not present for most of our best footy in 2023, and hasnt even played a final yet for us. Are we really going to pine about that now?
It reeks of agenda. What happened to being measured?
For those of us on my side of the fence, we are fighting off people like yourself who can't seem to agree on where the issues are (or aren't)
I've been arguing about rucks for years and didn;t get many an ally in any of it.
Now it seems 'everyone agrees with me' and are using my arguments as if they were their own. You can't have it both ways.
I'm not rehashing years worth of arguments about those 2.
Going back to the heart of the matter....how do you measure average?
Let me try and explain with the 'olympic scoring' method.
Take out the best and the worst and work with whats left.
So ignore charlies injury year. Take out his best coleman year. Work with whats left. Pretty consistent and consistently above anything we got in.
Using the same logic with Hayward. Take out his 41 goal year and his best was 34 goals. If Charlies worst year last year was 32.
So who is better?
Average.
Let's play that game. Charlie has played 9 seasons.
2025 was actually his 4th best season of his career based on goals per game.
Thats right, he's only kicked more than 35 goals in a season 3 times.
https://afltables.com/afl/stats/players/C/Charlie_Curnow.html
Absurd is actually asserting anything. Most of us are looking at what we got last season, and what we could have this season.
Best leave jack out of the discussion if you're going to use averages.
Tdk too. 100 games in navy. Less than half of them worth his pay check.
I get what you're trying to say but this is pointless because we wont know what its going to end up like for 4 months.