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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Last post by madbluboy -Vote One Nation.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Last post by shawny -
So what your saying is that theory is based on how the current party is viewed?
The fact of the matter is that you have an idiosyncratic view of Australian politics but assume that many people agree with that view.
Our system of government has checks and balances, and a responsive electorate, that mean that we will never have to put up with the incompetence and megalomania that's made the USA a global laughing stock ... but a very dangerous laughing stock.
If anyone is a laughing stock with that statement....
You are that rusted on that you want us to believe our system prevents corrupt politicians simply as your party is the one with all the allegations of corruption! Funny that.
Yet despite having this rock solid system here we are at the start of a Royal commission costing tax payers money we don't have, representing Mr Andrews and Mrs Allan for all the corruption allegations ...
Give it up mate and just have the balls to admit your views are skewed like most of us are.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Last post by DJC -
The simple answer is that there is a senile malignant narcissist with the nuclear codes in the White House. A fool who has disrupted world trade with his tariffs and tanked the global economy with his illegal war in Iran.
Our pollies, of all persuasions, are constrained by more effective constitution and electoral system and aren't really able to do much damage, particularly at an international level.
And you would have to be joking to suggest that any past or present Australian government, even the notorious Bjelke-Petersen government, comes anywhere near the nepotism, cronyism, incompetence, grifting and disregard for the rule of law displayed by POTUS #45 amd #47.
So what your saying is that theory is based on how the current party is viewed?
The fact of the matter is that you have an idiosyncratic view of Australian politics but assume that many people agree with that view.
Our system of government has checks and balances, and a responsive electorate, that mean that we will never have to put up with the incompetence and megalomania that's made the USA a global laughing stock ... but a very dangerous laughing stock.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Last post by PaulP -.................................
And you would have to be joking to suggest that any past or present Australian government, even the notorious Bjelke-Petersen government, comes anywhere near the nepotism, cronyism, incompetence, grifting and disregard for the rule of law displayed by POTUS #45 amd #47.
Yes, i think that's right. Whataboutism and trying to establish equivalence can be reasonable strategies in formulating an argument, but on the fairly strict proviso that there is legitimate proportionality between the things being compared. Otherwise you end having to embellish the crimes of one party and diminish the crimes of the other, in order to bring them closer together. This only serves to weaken the argument IMO. I can't think of any Australian government, at any level, that sends out masked men to deport people to wastelands they've never seen, who sends out combat troops to occupy major cities and shoot peacefully protesting citizens, who coerces media, universities and other countries to suit its will, who orders its military to blow innocent fishermen to smithereens in the middle of the ocean based on the flimsiest of pretexts, starts wars of aggression, which the International Military Court described in 1946 as the supreme international crime............ that's just the tip of the tip of the iceberg.
You can very easily despise Dictator Dan and Labor without so much as even thinking about Trump, if that's your kink.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Last post by shawny -Why is it there is 350 plus pages on this site relating to a leader of a country on the other side of the world that most say is unfit to serve and any alternative is an improvement over him yet here in our own backyard when faced with an equally corrupt government and one that in this case directly affects their own families have a different theory on replacing a government.
The old 'they are all the same or pick your poison' is used to try and cast doubts on the new incoming party instead of calling the current inept corrupt party for what they are and saying they deserve to be replaced.
It wouldn't be they are bias - Nah surely not
The simple answer is that there is a senile malignant narcissist with the nuclear codes in the White House. A fool who has disrupted world trade with his tariffs and tanked the global economy with his illegal war in Iran.
Our pollies, of all persuasions, are constrained by more effective constitution and electoral system and aren't really able to do much damage, particularly at an international level.
And you would have to be joking to suggest that any past or present Australian government, even the notorious Bjelke-Petersen government, comes anywhere near the nepotism, cronyism, incompetence, grifting and disregard for the rule of law displayed by POTUS #45 amd #47.
So what your saying is that theory is based on how the current party is viewed?
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Last post by DJC -Why is it there is 350 plus pages on this site relating to a leader of a country on the other side of the world that most say is unfit to serve and any alternative is an improvement over him yet here in our own backyard when faced with an equally corrupt government and one that in this case directly affects their own families have a different theory on replacing a government.
The old 'they are all the same or pick your poison' is used to try and cast doubts on the new incoming party instead of calling the current inept corrupt party for what they are and saying they deserve to be replaced.
It wouldn't be they are bias - Nah surely not
The simple answer is that there is a senile malignant narcissist with the nuclear codes in the White House. A fool who has disrupted world trade with his tariffs and tanked the global economy with his illegal war in Iran.
Our pollies, of all persuasions, are constrained by more effective constitution and electoral system and aren't really able to do much damage, particularly at an international level.
And you would have to be joking to suggest that any past or present Australian government, even the notorious Bjelke-Petersen government, comes anywhere near the nepotism, cronyism, incompetence, grifting and disregard for the rule of law displayed by POTUS #45 amd #47.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Last post by Lods -Why is it there is 350 plus pages on this site relating to a leader of a country on the other side of the world that most say is unfit to serve and any alternative is an improvement over him yet here in our own backyard when faced with an equally corrupt government and one that in this case directly affects their own families have a different theory on replacing a government.
The old 'they are all the same or pick your poison' is used to try and cast doubts on the new incoming party instead of calling the current inept corrupt party for what they are and saying they deserve to be replaced.
It wouldn't be they are bias - Nah surely not
There's a couple of reasons for the Trump thread to be considerably longer.
1) The Trump thread is 11 years old. This one is tracking pretty well by comparison after one year, and generating much more discussion at present.
2) While it's probably fair to say that the majority of the members of this site are Victorian, it's not the case we all are (It might be interesting doing a demographic poll as to where our site members are living. I think the results would surprise.)
As a result the politics and social issues of Victoria aren't high priorities for some of us.
3) When it boils down to it, there is very little difference between our two major political parties, and at times that difference is hardly noticeable at a state level where the priorities are more on providing everyday services like health and education. One Nation does present a definite alternative....but it's untried at governing, and it may turn out to be a case of "be careful what you wish for".
4) While we think our governments and political parties, and many social issues aren't real great, pretty poor in fact... they pale into insignificance when compared to the problems confronting the folks in the states. They're pretty much shot to pieces....and that's the key point.
5) 'When America sneezes the world catches a cold'.
It affects not just Americans when that country is off the rails, as it has been during the Trump years.
Old alliances are looking dodgy and things like the 'war' in the middle east is affecting the flow of resources. That affects us all.
So it's pretty understandable that both threads attract considerable interest.
People are concerned and considering alternatives.
Different threads, different levels of interest...let's keep them separate.
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