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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 13 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon
Last post by laj -
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Very clever attempt at spin. Not successful but at least you tried.
is it?

Spin?  Really? I stated some facts your opinion of them seems to vary based on the W/L result.
What else is it. Essendon game made my eyes bleed admittedly, but the other 3 wins, especially Geelong. Dogs is always a decent win, shouldn't be winning that if we were a true 1-8 bottom side, Port in Adelaide are just ok but it was in Adelaide and we pumped them, remembering too they hammered Geelong there. Shouldn't be winning there as a 1-8 bottom side; and the Geelong win was brilliant. shouldn't get within 10 goals as a 1.8 bottom side. Hang on, we must have underachieved the first 9 games.
 
You stated you facts and it is utter spin trying to defend the indefensible. What else do you go by other than the W/L record compared to ability. You think they play for fun? Seriously?!!! Suddenly 1-8 didn't matter? As we saw last 4 weeks we sadly underachieved severely in the first 9 games and it likely cost us come September. Anyway, keep spinning if it makes you sleep better at night. Couldn't believe your post.

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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 13 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon
Last post by Thryleon -
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The calibre of opponent played under Fraser vs voss is being ignored way too easily.

We got the dogs on a good week, and have beaten geelong whom voss has had a good run against.  The other 2 wins against Port and essendon are unremarkable. 


Very clever attempt at spin. Not successful but at least you tried.
is it?

Spin?  Really? I stated some facts your opinion of them seems to vary based on the W/L result.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 13 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon
Last post by kruddler -
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I've also heard that Davies is pretty hands on (and omnipresent),  and the players are a bit wary (terrified, some might say) of his presence. >:D
He does have a bit of that aura about him. :D  :D

This is what i said in response to EB1 IIRC when he asked what has changed with the players.
That was my answer....they are potentially playing for their careers.
Davies sniffing around being the judge, jury and executioner at present is enough of a kick up the butt to get players giving that extra 1% to make the difference.

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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 13 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon
Last post by Lods -
I think the thing is not to fixate too much on this "change/no change" aspect of the coaches.
There will be some things the same, but there will also be differences (some subtle).

It's not a contest.

One of the things I've read today (and like most things you read, treat it with caution because we don't know the reliability of some sources.) is that Fraser doesn't spend as much time reviewing performances, or before they hit the training track.
It's get out and hit the track 'with vigour'.
He's big on 'fundamentals', and not afraid to give a bake.
Not better or worse...just different.

I've also heard that Davies is pretty hands on (and omnipresent),  and the players are a bit wary (terrified, some might say) of his presence. >:D
He does have a bit of that aura about him. :D  :D
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 13 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon
Last post by laj -
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The calibre of opponent played under Fraser vs voss is being ignored way too easily.

We got the dogs on a good week, and have beaten geelong whom voss has had a good run against.  The other 2 wins against Port and essendon are unremarkable. 


Very clever attempt at spin. Not successful but at least you tried.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 13 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon
Last post by kruddler -
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A lot of assumptions as to when the new gameplan started -  I like a lot of others have seen a massive change with the new coach - as to who trained that no one on here knows but the one thing no one can argue against is we were 1 -8 and then the bandaid was ripped off and we have not lost since. That's one very big coincidence as to when the wheel turned don't you think?

The current 'miracle' coach has stated himself that he hasn't changed much and gave credit to Vossy as we saw improvements leading up to the sacking. The Brisbane game being the obvious one.

Players have said similar.

The only assumption being made is that you think they are all liars.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 13 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon
Last post by shawny -
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EB, I want a thorough process to elect the next coach. If after that process Fraser is selected then im fine with that but we need that process. This is the step i believe we keep getting wrong so i want no stone unturned this time around

Regarding the list I believe its not as bad as it appeared under Voss in his last few years and the instant result changes with the interim coach confirms my thinking. I rank it mid tier without major injuries and once you add Walker to Jagga Walsh and Cripps mix, get more games into the kids and if we can snare a few free agents that fill a few of the weaker areas we will be hard to beat. No list is ever perfect so we need smart additions again in the off season but as i said we are not as far away as many think.

Mainly as i don't think the players we lost in last years trade has been as bad as many imagined as a matter of fact i would take the mobile hard working Haywood over lazy Charlie, Jack is a handy player but the improvement of Cowan negates his loss, it's TDK that hurt us mobile goalkicking rucks don't exactly grow on trees. I'm much more bullish than i was 12 months ago in fact i believe we are better placed now then we were this time last year comparing the list at both times.

Then again I could be delusional!  Time will tell.   

What you are missing is the changes that the game stats show… that the changes to the gameplan were there to be seen but they wernt being executed for long enough whilst Voss was coach.
The main difference between Voss and Fraser is the players are following the gameplan for longer and getting the 4 points.
Certainly Cripps is playing better, I’m personally not sure if Walsh is but all our mids are getting more time to dish off imho.


A lot of assumptions as to when the new gameplan started -  I like a lot of others have seen a massive change with the new coach - as to who trained that no one on here knows but the one thing no one can argue against is we were 1 -8 and then the bandaid was ripped off and we have not lost since. That's one very big coincidence as to when the wheel turned don't you think?