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The Sports Desk / Re: God help me - the Cricket thread
Last post by dodge -
ICC suspended 2 - for a match each.  Should have been the end of it.  If it was,  this rubbish wouldn't be going on. Khawaja cares - book sales - media cares.  People involved at the time care because they're dragged into it.  No one I know cares, but talk about it.  If only it would stop.

Just because people knew about the tampering, doesn't make them complicit.
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The Sports Desk / Re: God help me - the Cricket thread
Last post by kruddler -
Cricket Australia channeling their best AFL in terms of trying to sweep things under the carpet.
They haven't quite got the experience of the AFL and its come out from under the carpet to cause more grief.

Everyone would've known about it. Can't suspend a whole team, so had to go at someone(s) which they did.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Last post by LP -
Quote from: DJC – on
However, FoI is not a Royal Commission and the diarist can be compelled to explain their diary entries.
And they can explain the contents however they like, you just can't infer meaning outside of a direct interpretation by the author!

In the R&D sector, be it somewhere like CSIRO or commercial, it's very common for researchers to use their own task specific shorthand that is designed to avoid reproduction if the diary is lost or stolen. It's considered a safeguard, and they do it for both communications and math. Equations can look completely wrong or unintelligible.

I tried this myself once, but I could never remember what I was going to write.

PS; I have a mate who is a globally renowned engineer, he has dyslexia and documents everything in minute detail. You can't read a line of it because he's invented his own written language.

I suffer from something I've labelled Scribolepsy, give me a pen and paper and it's like sedative!
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Last post by DJC -
Quote from: LP – on
Quote from: DJC – on
I’m not sure what the public servant was thinking, but apparently even the unredacted version of his diary doesn’t make a lot of sense.
The problem with a diary is that there are no demand on syntax or language, it can be as cryptic, vague or specific as the notetaker likes but it doesn't need to be consistent.

Yes, when I was a public servant we were told that our diaries weren’t subject to Freedom of Information because they could be in the owner’s version of shorthand and couldn’t be reliably interpreted by someone else.  However, FoI is not a Royal Commission and the diarist can be compelled to explain their diary entries.
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The Sports Desk / Re: God help me - the Cricket thread
Last post by LP -
Before HD Video, pretty much every bowler would be running their thumbnail around the seam on the way back the mark, every bowler at every level from every country. I'm sure it was always illegal, any attempt to tamper with the seam of the cricket ball is, but doing so was ubiquitous.

The thought back in the old days was that opening the seams increased both swing and seam, but actually it's since be proven to be bogus with results unable to be reproduced.

Now if it happens, it's more about damaging a dud pill to get it replaced with a new one, and there is one specific country that does this far far more than any other!
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Last post by LP -
Quote from: DJC – on
I’m not sure what the public servant was thinking, but apparently even the unredacted version of his diary doesn’t make a lot of sense.
The problem with a diary is that there are no demand on syntax or language, it can be as cryptic, vague or specific as the notetaker likes but it doesn't need to be consistent.
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The Sports Desk / Re: God help me - the Cricket thread
Last post by DJC -
If I remember correctly, several cases of ball tampering have been detected by the umpires noticing a change in the condition of the ball.

Cummins was pretty staunch in his rejection of Khawaja’s allegation and was somewhat Dan Andrews like in his willingness to stay and answer all questions put to him.

I’m none the wiser but I can’t help but think that those involved were incredibly naive to think that they wouldn’t get caught 🙄
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The Sports Desk / Re: God help me - the Cricket thread
Last post by LP -
In some ways the truth has already surfaced, there isn't a debate about whether there was or wasn't an issue, that is both settled and admitted.

Now it's more you too, but I'd assert it's pretty much everybody and the allegations are wrongly focussed, people in glass houses should beware!

Rescuers often drown while trying to save the drowning.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Last post by DJC -
The unredacted diary was provided to the Commission as soon as it was requested, with an apology for originally providing the redacted copy.

I’m not sure what the public servant was thinking, but apparently even the unredacted version of his diary doesn’t make a lot of sense.

The journalists covering the Commission get to see the documents to be tabled and are told who will be called on the following day but are under an embargo and can’t reveal any information until the documents are tabled and/or witnesses are called.