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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Last post by PaulP -
I think we need to be careful with time frames when comparing stats. The issue is whether the changes were well underway when Voss left. Hence Daniel Hoyne briefly looked at the first 5 or so weeks of the season, and the next few weeks, under Voss and Fraser. Hoyne's point being that the improvement in numbers, ball movement etc started under Voss.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Last post by Lods -
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Even im surprised with how quickly the old gameplan was changed and match day implemented with the same list.

Publish the link, I hope it wasn't the article that ranks career stats versus the last 2 games.

btw., Did you read the stats for the last 6 games, or are all stats bogus? :D

As @Thryleon had already linked for the various overnighters!
https://x.com/i/status/2059208469161590794


I think that's the table they showed on Footy Classified
(edit: It's a different one on FC around clearances. )

Rounds 1-9 v Rounds 10-11
Hitouts to advantage -13th to 6th
First Possession- 11th to 2nd
Clearances-10th to 7th
Clearances Score 8th to 2nd
Centre Clearance 14th to 4th
Centre bounce scores 12th to 4th






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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Last post by LP -
Quote from: shawny – on
Even im surprised with how quickly the old gameplan was changed and match day implemented with the same list.
Publish the link, I hope it wasn't the article that ranks career stats versus the last 2 games, aka the MAGA of all stats!

btw., Did you read the stats for the last 6 games, or are all stats bogus? :D

As @Thryleon had already linked for the various overnight miracle believers https://x.com/i/status/2059208469161590794
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Last post by ElwoodBlues1 -
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The captain couldn't get a kick, couldn't run out a game, couldn't lay a tackle under Voss, wouldn't commit to the club but suddenly is in brownlow form under Fraser? Weitering has played crape all year, Hewett dropped. The dressing room was a mess under Voss last season and hasn't improve much IMHO and same with Scott at Essendon. I'm not interested in almost, maybes, led at half times etc etc..its been a debacle of a season and everyone knew how it was going to end except now the senior players want to try under Fraser and help the kids but will wins actually mess up our draft hand?If I'm Voss is be asking where was that effort and application to task when I needed it?
Speculation Your Honour.
Had the same problems in Brisbane, players leaving, disputes with players, sacked from that job ...its all fact.
Its has never been one big happy family at either club imho and the results back up that theory...and the theory that not all great players makes great coaches has been proven again.  
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Last post by shawny -
Source: ESPN AU

                                                Under Voss                         Under Fraser

Uncontested Marks:                    13th                                         1st
Long kicks %:                                9th                                        18th
45 degree kicks:                           15th                                        3rd
D50 to i50%:                                13th                                        2nd
Kick i50 Retention %                     6th                                         2nd

Even im surprised with how quickly the old gameplan was changed and match day implemented with the same list.   
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Last post by Gointocarlton -
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Which senior players? The ones that left? The ones that were dropped? The ones he brought back into the 1's?
The ones who almost won us the game against the lions?

They played pretty well for him while he was there at the end, just couldn't get over the line.
The captain couldn't get a kick, couldn't run out a game, couldn't lay a tackle under Voss, wouldn't commit to the club but suddenly is in brownlow form under Fraser? Weitering has played crape all year, Hewett dropped. The dressing room was a mess under Voss last season and hasn't improve much IMHO and same with Scott at Essendon. I'm not interested in almost, maybes, led at half times etc etc..its been a debacle of a season and everyone knew how it was going to end except now the senior players want to try under Fraser and help the kids but will wins actually mess up our draft hand?If I'm Voss is be asking where was that effort and application to task when I needed it?
Speculation Your Honour.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Last post by Thryleon -
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Which senior players? The ones that left? The ones that were dropped? The ones he brought back into the 1's?
The ones who almost won us the game against the lions?

They played pretty well for him while he was there at the end, just couldn't get over the line.
The captain couldn't get a kick, couldn't run out a game, couldn't lay a tackle under Voss, wouldn't commit to the club but suddenly is in brownlow form under Fraser? Weitering has played crape all year, Hewett dropped. The dressing room was a mess under Voss last season and hasn't improve much IMHO and same with Scott at Essendon. I'm not interested in almost, maybes, led at half times etc etc..its been a debacle of a season and everyone knew how it was going to end except now the senior players want to try under Fraser and help the kids but will wins actually mess up our draft hand?If I'm Voss is be asking where was that effort and application to task when I needed it?
If we on the outside can read the writing on the wall regarding the coach (and we all said he started the year with the sword of damocles over his head) how do you reckon it impacts the playing group, and their ability to be "up" every week?

Once the decision is made, and the coach has gone, do you think its reasonable that a weight would have been lifted off their shoulders?  Do you think that its reasonable that the same weight would be lifted had the coach been giving a two year contract?

Distance yourself from whether or not Voss was the right coach, but read the situation.  How does this impact everyone emotionally, and how does that impact their ability to be up for it?

Our mob fold under pressure.  They just did it from different pressure this time.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Last post by LP -
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
The captain couldn't get a kick, couldn't run out a game, couldn't lay a tackle under Voss, wouldn't commit to the club but suddenly is in brownlow form under Fraser? Weitering has played crape all year, Hewett dropped.
Walsh and Cripps, effectively our two most senior players, are 1st and 2nd in the Jim Park! :o

Now I realise that is consensus and the overall rating might not indicate how you have voted, but I'm sure Cripps didn't get to 2nd place off the back of not firing a shot! ;D
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Last post by ElwoodBlues1 -
Quote from: kruddler – on
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Wright wanted him gone, senior players wouldn't play for him....ditto Scott at Essendon ....

Which senior players? The ones that left? The ones that were dropped? The ones he brought back into the 1's?
The ones who almost won us the game against the lions?

They played pretty well for him while he was there at the end, just couldn't get over the line.
The captain couldn't get a kick, couldn't run out a game, couldn't lay a tackle under Voss, wouldn't commit to the club but suddenly is in brownlow form under Fraser? Weitering has played crape all year, Hewett dropped. The dressing room was a mess under Voss last season and hasn't improve much IMHO and same with Scott at Essendon. I'm not interested in almost, maybes, led at half times etc etc..its been a debacle of a season and everyone knew how it was going to end except now the senior players want to try under Fraser and help the kids but will wins actually mess up our draft hand?If I'm Voss id be asking where was that effort and application to task when I needed it?
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Last post by LP -
Quote from: kruddler – on
I'm expecting the opposite with Hird.
Media pumping up his tyres, largely,
Not that I trust them, but the media pumping up Hird sort of makes sense if what Caro and Cornes report is true.

Caro and Cornes asserted Hird had been labelled by The Big House as never to coach again, and that would automatically put the media on the side of being Hird boosters because it brings controversy and conflict and that is profitable.

The AFL bang on about integrity, ............................., the media do not care about it!