Carlton Supporters Club

I wrote a big long post but deleted it because this is my place to read about footy - but
I cant take anyone seriously that will vote ON and cbf with the argument - Im still hurting from a close friend spewing the same pro ON bullcrap she reads in the HS.

Suffice to say imo most rational empathetic people want betterment for all.  I dont see Poorline or her alcoholic sidekick Barnaby having that in mind.

Suffice to say imo most rational empathetic people want betterment for all.  I dont see Poorline or her alcoholic sidekick Barnaby having that in mind.

Latest update on Helen Haines is pretty bad : she's lost one leg and surgeons are fighting to save the other leg. She remains in a critical condition.

Quote from: shawny – on Today at 03:56:47 pm

Kruddler, ON may appear to be a risky selection but we have no option with what the current mob haev done to this state. We are in world of pain with debt our great grandkids will still be paying off, essential services that have never been worse crime is off its head, pot holes you can lose a motorbike in, hospital and ambulance waiting times in their worst state and because of what Trump has done in the states we should not support PH? Its a defeatist attitude the current mob are fking useless and anyone even considering voting for them should book in with a neurologist to have their brain examaned 

Its like staying with a partner that belts you as the new guy may strangle you.

Enough is enough time for a change and like it or not its going to happen!

Be careful what you wish for is all i'm saying.

I'm not saying there is a magic button to fix everything, but one way or another it will get worse before it gets better. How much worse is up for debate and time will tell.

Quote from: kruddler – on Today at 01:56:57 pm

Some people cannot learn by watching other people make mistakes, they need to make those same mistakes themselves.

Thats us, with ON. Sure, we could learn from Trump and USA, but no.....we 'know' better.

Labour and Liberals.....both have their flaws....and numerous ones at that.
However, it won't be until one nation get in, that we realise how bad things can actually get....and by then we'll be begging for labour or liberal to come back into power.

Kruddler, ON may appear to be a risky selection but we have no option with what the current mob haev done to this state. We are in world of pain with debt our great grandkids will still be paying off, essential services that have never been worse crime is off its head, pot holes you can lose a motorbike in, hospital and ambulance waiting times in their worst state and because of what Trump has done in the states we should not support PH? Its a defeatist attitude the current mob are fking useless and anyone even considering voting for them should book in with a neurologist to have their brain examaned 

Its like staying with a partner that belts you as the new guy may strangle you.

Enough is enough time for a change and like it or not its going to happen!

Rumour mill starting to suggest that the government is searching for ways to fill the holes in the public purse, and some genius is floating a 15% GST.

Yeah, trust these guys.

They remove transparency around the 1% EFT surcharge.  Then ive heard remove the capability of using a credit card to pay.  Wouldnt want to create the impression we lifted prices would we?
Increase taxation on everything under the sun, trying to create a "level playing field" by failing to hit the root cause of a lack of supply, lets smash demand!
Meanwhile, they spend like there is no tomorrow whilst somehow still failing to fill the needs of today.
Then, they blame joe average for inflation when every tom dick and harry know that Trumps war in Iran has more to do with it, than anything else.  Oh there isnt fuel shortages, but we are now paying on average 70 cents a litre more at the pump than we did this time last year and what did they do?  We cut the fuel excise for a couple of months there to help.   Im lucky I get away with filling up my car once a month on average.  My Mrs?  Not so much.  She has to go into 3 different offices across 4 days.  So she is filling up once a week to once a fortnight.   Oh get an EV.  Yeah, we didn't budget for an expedited out of pocket cost of the car, the charging and the solar panels to really make it viable.  Electricity still costs money.
Then what do we hear?  People are still spending money...

I found out recently my 75 year old widow mother is unable to get a pension due to means testing.  She owns her home outright you see, so she is self funding her retirement.  Not even pensioner discounts, despite having worked, taken 12 to 15 years off to raise 3 kids, and then going back to work as a secretary.   Her reward for losing her life partner early at age 56 was a one off payment into her super and a consolidated super amount.   Sure, it has to be means tested, but not even getting pension discounts on stuff like electricity, insurance, registration and gas?  Meanwhile, my inlaws get a pension from their country of origin because they moved here in 1990 and worked there until age 40.  Guess what they also get, an Australian Pension, and all the discounts.  2 cars for them, 50% off.  A pension from a european nation, and an Aussie one.  Mum?  Shes been here since she was 2.  You pay full price.  Make it make sense please, oh here it is.  her parents emigrated here.  Worked hard.  Raised two daughters.  They had kids.  The parents passed 8 years ago, and their modest old family home that sold for less than 1 million, is fueling her retirement (split between 2 daughters).  Ah gotcha.   She's affluent now.    Unlucky for her my dad died from cancer at age 56, she would have been a pensioner otherwise as they would have had 2 people splitting that capital rather than 1.  Thats ok, she will run out of money in 5 years, but she might die before then anyway.  If she needs care though...  stuffed.  They will eat whatever she has saved, and we might inherit a few bucks at the end. It will get taxed no doubt.

Thats alright, there is a G8 summit around the corner.  No doubt the polis will fly their way around to gather shake hands and take some photos whilst calling it working.  Microsoft teams not a thing for you guys?  The people actually doing the jobs will likely be stuck in offices here trying to feed the 5000 with the equivalent of a loaf of bread and two fish. 

Quote from: Lods – on Today at 09:25:04 am

That's quite true.
And given the failure of the traditional major parties you can see that some may look to something different.

It may be that the attraction of an alternative needs to be tested by a spell in power before folks understand the ramifications of that choice.
It's possible that experience would put the alternative to rest once and for all.

But the major problem I'm guessing at is that the Victorian election will throw up a dog's breakfast...and stability will be difficult to achieve.

Some people cannot learn by watching other people make mistakes, they need to make those same mistakes themselves.

Thats us, with ON. Sure, we could learn from Trump and USA, but no.....we 'know' better.

Labour and Liberals.....both have their flaws....and numerous ones at that.
However, it won't be until one nation get in, that we realise how bad things can actually get....and by then we'll be begging for labour or liberal to come back into power.

See this is the point that some are making. It's easy to rite off ON as "populist" or call them whatever names you like, but it's a choice, which is about the only thing we have left.  Who is actually worth voting for and can form a viable, effective government - in for example Victoria?  Labour is clouded in a miasma of corruption and incompetence, and the Libs haven't been an effective opposition for years. Plus they couldn't be trusted to run a chook raffle. In the end it's personal choice, the only part of the Democratic process left to us.