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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Pick our team in parts - Part 4 - 5 on the bench
Last post by madbluboy -
I get the positive thinking
If Walsh us fit
If Cripps gets back to 24 form
If Newman is still the same
If Harry has no issues
If Acres can get back to his best
If Dean can play a role straight away
If Jagga can have an immediate impact
If Florent can play like he did before the big bad Cox got to him.
If Kemp can stay fit.
If motlop and Ainsworth can take the next step.
If Cottrell doesn't get injured.

Lots of ifs.

Meanwhile Gulden thinks charlie is just like Buddy.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Pick our team in parts - Part 4 - 5 on the bench
Last post by Lods -
Quote from: kruddler – on
People are sick of me challenging opinions as it is, turning every thread into the same discussion.
You'd be surprised how much i let go.

I said this as recently as 4 days ago, in a thread starting by Thry! But, he goes back to what i was saying 18 months ago.
https://www.carltonsc.com/index.php?topic=7438.msg458110#msg458110
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re tdk...
A lot of people misunderstand me when it comes to him. Let me clarify.
1. I don't think he is worth the crazy money we offered him and certainly not what the saints offer him.
2. I think his ruckwork (hitouts) is average at best, pittonet destroys him in that area.
3. I think his around the ground work is good but far from elite. I did some comparisons to Pittonet in all the key areas tackles, clearances,  marks, disposals etc and they were very similar.
4. His consistency and his ability to stay out in the park is a weakness, see point 1.

That being said...
- His athletic ability is elite.
- His potential is elite.
- If it's 'his day' people can't stop him.
- I picked him as my starting ruck in all of the best 22s we did last year from preseason to the end.

So he is very much a loss. A lot of that loss is a loss on what he could be. Some of that is comparing to what we have instead, in not talking about Pittonet, but 2nd ruck... Reidy or HOK, who should also be a potential kpf we rely on.

The whole debate is very simple.
Players coming in are looked at with navy glasses
Players going out are seen without them.

That is misrepresenting players and thats the crux of the debate.....and why i took it to the n'th degree to highlight that fact.

I believe that's what you are seeing. But it's an opinion that's based on your own assessment and bias.
So when I look at it I see those talking the 'sky is falling' as looking at it through 'chicken little glasses'...and thats based on my own assessment and bias.
You struggle understanding my point of view, I struggle with your point of view.
We won't know who was right until this time next year.....maybe longer.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Pick our team in parts - Part 4 - 5 on the bench
Last post by kruddler -
People are sick of me challenging opinions as it is, turning every thread into the same discussion.
You'd be surprised how much i let go.

I said this as recently as 4 days ago, in a thread starting by Thry! But, he goes back to what i was saying 18 months ago.
https://www.carltonsc.com/index.php?topic=7438.msg458110#msg458110
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re tdk...
A lot of people misunderstand me when it comes to him. Let me clarify.
1. I don't think he is worth the crazy money we offered him and certainly not what the saints offer him.
2. I think his ruckwork (hitouts) is average at best, pittonet destroys him in that area.
3. I think his around the ground work is good but far from elite. I did some comparisons to Pittonet in all the key areas tackles, clearances,  marks, disposals etc and they were very similar.
4. His consistency and his ability to stay out in the park is a weakness, see point 1.

That being said...
- His athletic ability is elite.
- His potential is elite.
- If it's 'his day' people can't stop him.
- I picked him as my starting ruck in all of the best 22s we did last year from preseason to the end.

So he is very much a loss. A lot of that loss is a loss on what he could be. Some of that is comparing to what we have instead, in not talking about Pittonet, but 2nd ruck... Reidy or HOK, who should also be a potential kpf we rely on.

The whole debate is very simple.
Players coming in are looked at with navy glasses
Players going out are seen without them.

That is misrepresenting players and thats the crux of the debate.....and why i took it to the n'th degree to highlight that fact.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Pick our team in parts - Part 4 - 5 on the bench
Last post by Lods -
Quote from: kruddler – on
@Lods....
And you think the opposing arguments are sticking to facts?

Have a look at Thrys take on 'my thoughts' on TDK vs Pittonet, even though i've made that abundandly clear over the past week.

But thats ok is it? Only when i do it??

Tit for tat.

It's all about different opinions. Sometimes the things we write are misinterpreted. Sometimes
opinions change. It's often hard to keep up with where folks are at.
We get invested in an idea and off goes our head and on goes a pumpkin.

I actually have no idea how 2026 will go.
I'm prepared to wait and see, and after the last 25 years am resilient enough to know that if it goes pear shaped we have 2027 to look forward  to.

If you feel your position has been misrepresented by all means challenge it.

It's more the silly comments like those opposing think all the players out are duds and all the incomers are superstars.
No one thinks that. We've lost good players. We don't know how the new guys will go but we do have some idea of the way they play, their strengths and indeed their weaknesses.
What we don't know is whether they will enhance our 2026 side. One thing is sure.it will be a little different.

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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Pick our team in parts - Part 4 - 5 on the bench
Last post by kruddler -
Quote from: DJC – on
Quote from: kruddler – on

Defence wasn't really a concern?

Lets here a non-Carlton based perspective....
https://www.zerohanger.com/every-afl-teams-backline-ranked-1-18-171600/6/

Did the person who made that ranking actually watch any games or do any actual analysis?

The most basic and reliable assessment of a team's defence is points against and we ranked 9th in 2025.

....and why would we drop?

.....because we got worse.....which is what i'm saying!
...and what the article is saying re Silvagni.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Pick our team in parts - Part 4 - 5 on the bench
Last post by DJC -
Quote from: kruddler – on

Defence wasn't really a concern?

Lets here a non-Carlton based perspective....
https://www.zerohanger.com/every-afl-teams-backline-ranked-1-18-171600/6/
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13 - Carlton

Did the person who made that ranking actually watch any games or do any actual analysis?

The most basic and reliable assessment of a team's defence is points against and we ranked 9th in 2025.

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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Pick our team in parts - Part 4 - 5 on the bench
Last post by Lods -
Quote from: kruddler – on
Quote from: Lods – on
There is some seriously warped interpretations of what people are actually saying.
So far off the mark it's ridiculous.
Lost the plot completely.


I suspect some need a cup of tea, a Bex and a good lie down.

Saying Ollie may give us good service is nowhere near saying he's better than Charlie Curnow.

Its not about like for like though Lods. Its about what it gives to the team.
Charlie was a lone ranger.
Ollie is a team player.

If you asked chat GPT to rate these players based on what is said on these forums, it'd come to the same conclusion.....which would be opposite to the rest of the world.

I'm just highlighting that what is being said is also absurd.

Kruds, the slant that's being put on it is not what's being actually stated by posters.

No one would say that Ollie Florent could impact a game the way Charlie could...no-one!

The whole basis of these arguments is ..will the loss of the three key players mean our 2026 will be worse than our 2025.
Can we cover them, not necessarily like for like  but strengths in other areas.

Suggesting people are saying all the outs are duds and all the ins are champs...has been said by no-one... ever!

It's just 'extreme' language with no basis in fact.

We'll miss the players we've lost. But by this time next year I suspect we'll have an appreciation of what some of the new players can give us.


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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Pick our team in parts - Part 4 - 5 on the bench
Last post by kruddler -
Quote from: Lods – on
There is some seriously warped interpretations of what people are actually saying.
So far off the mark it's ridiculous.
Lost the plot completely.


I suspect some need a cup of tea, a Bex and a good lie down.

Saying Ollie may give us good service is nowhere near saying he's better than Charlie Curnow.

Its not about like for like though Lods. Its about what it gives to the team.
Charlie was a lone ranger.
Ollie is a team player.

If you asked chat GPT to rate these players based on what is said on these forums, it'd come to the same conclusion.....which would be opposite to the rest of the world.

I'm just highlighting that what is being said is also absurd.