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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: General Discussions
Last post by Thryleon -I'm not sure that it's quite so clear cut, and that's why I don't think that a hierarchy is appropriate.
It's estimated that at least 10% and probably as much as 25% of the Scandinavian population were slaves during the Viking age and the vast majority of those captured by the Vikings were sold on to slave traders from the Middle East. Mitochondrial DNA studies of the Icelandic population indicate that more than 60% of the initial colonising female population were Gaelic and most likely slaves. Then there's the Arab or Trans-Saharan slave trade that endured from the 7th to the 20th century and involved the enslavement of an estimated 9M Africans in the Middle East.
I don't want to get caught up in this jockeying for pole position in the Suffering F1. I feel quite comfortable with the reading I've done and I'll leave it there. Trying to compete wrt who suffered the most does the cause more harm than good, and ends up a kind of self-cannibalism, that dilutes the message rather than keeping it sharp and focussed.
Whether they named this or something else is of secondary importance. If the final aims of this process are achieved, it creates momentum, precedent and potential for others to follow. Future groups will be able to analyze what worked, what did not etc., and be in a better position as a result. It could also splinter off into related histories, such as our own First Nations peoples, who whilst not enslaved as such, have suffered immensely, certainly deserve a lot more than they have received thus far.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 3 2026 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Last post by Thryleon -He has a face that you want to punch.
I'm not feeling that
Theres a common theme there.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 3 2026 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Last post by Lods -He has a face that you want to punch.
I'm not feeling that
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Last post by ElwoodBlues1 -Not much talent or experience in the One Nation camp either and they tend to struggle when debating.Policy wise much like the Greens the cupboard is bare and like the Greens their role seems to be as agitators only and their new found popularity is more a reflection on how poor Labor and the Libs/Nats are performing.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: VFL Rd 2 2026 Carlton vs Williamstown
Last post by Lods -Starting 18 of senior listed blokes in the VFL. When was the last time that happened?
Some good players actually missing out.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Last post by Lods -Would Pauline do any worse than the buffoons running the joint (or any other waiting in the wings ) ? I have zero faith in any of the current crop of Australian politicians to be able to mix it on the world stage of politics and look after the interest of Australians. Like Carlton, the are meek and play nice. We need to find some politicians with some s h i t about them.
True, Labor have had to manage/massage the Greens/Independents to pass policy through the Senate and its a messy business dealing with Larissa Waters and crew so how the Libs would deal with Pauline, Barnaby and their inflexible extreme right wing thinking/nutty high school political theories I dont know.
Its a mess when you have an opposition that cant make the Government accountable and improve their performance, having competent pollies on both side of politics makes the country run better and lifts performance but we are a long way from that happening and when you couple that with some of the madness going on overseas its a real worry looking forward.
Imagine the new Minister for Foreign Affairs Pauline Hanson talking to Donald Trump about Foreign Policy?
Short answer is Yes.
I would be fearful of her running economic, social and foreign policy.
It's one thing to be able to identify the shortcomings of government. It's a completely different thing to offer solutions that would work.
A lot of the current appeal of One Nation stems from the Maga approach in the States. Populist appeal that in the case of the US is currently 'chickens coming home to roost'. We just haven't caught up with the electoral disaster some of these types of policies are yet.
I'm not a fan of either Labor or Liberal/National just at the moment but I believe they're a much more stable option than One Nation.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Last post by PaulP -The Orange Tsunami....? So One Nation have pinched their game plan from GWS....?
The Ginger Whinger claims to side with struggling Australians, yet is besties with a woman who said Aussie workers must compete with their African counterparts, who work for $2 per day.
She's been in political / public life for 30 years, and I cannot think of one positive / constructive thing she's done. Literally, not one. No contributions or efforts to build a school or a bridge or other infrastructure, no bills that she's voted on of any substance, no interview / article etc where she has displayed any depth of knowledge on the topic, no policies of any note. She complains about dole bludgers, and yet she is the biggest grifter in Australian political history.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 3 2026 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Last post by Gointocarlton -Changes make sense, Chesser Elijah and maybe even Ollie H should consider themselves very lucky.I don't mind giving them another game vs a weak Melbourne midfield where we should dominate.If they can't get a kick vs the Dees kids and battler mids then their futures are grim..
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Last post by Gointocarlton -True, Labor have had to manage/massage the Greens/Independents to pass policy through the Senate and its a messy business dealing with Larissa Waters and crew so how the Libs would deal with Pauline, Barnaby and their inflexible extreme right wing thinking/nutty high school political theories I dont know.
They'll be fragmented with nutters having a controlling vote!
Its a mess when you have an opposition that cant make the Government accountable and improve their performance, having competent pollies on both side of politics makes the country run better and lifts performance but we are a long way from that happening and when you couple that with some of the madness going on overseas its a real worry looking forward.
Imagine the new Minister for Foreign Affairs Pauline Hanson talking to Donald Trump about Foreign Policy?