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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Last post by Thryleon -
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Which senior players? The ones that left? The ones that were dropped? The ones he brought back into the 1's?
The ones who almost won us the game against the lions?

They played pretty well for him while he was there at the end, just couldn't get over the line.
The captain couldn't get a kick, couldn't run out a game, couldn't lay a tackle under Voss, wouldn't commit to the club but suddenly is in brownlow form under Fraser? Weitering has played crape all year, Hewett dropped. The dressing room was a mess under Voss last season and hasn't improve much IMHO and same with Scott at Essendon. I'm not interested in almost, maybes, led at half times etc etc..its been a debacle of a season and everyone knew how it was going to end except now the senior players want to try under Fraser and help the kids but will wins actually mess up our draft hand?If I'm Voss is be asking where was that effort and application to task when I needed it?
If we on the outside can read the writing on the wall regarding the coach (and we all said he started the year with the sword of damocles over his head) how do you reckon it impacts the playing group, and their ability to be "up" every week?

Once the decision is made, and the coach has gone, do you think its reasonable that a weight would have been lifted off their shoulders?  Do you think that its reasonable that the same weight would be lifted had the coach been giving a two year contract?

Distance yourself from whether or not Voss was the right coach, but read the situation.  How does this impact everyone emotionally, and how does that impact their ability to be up for it?

Our mob fold under pressure.  They just did it from different pressure this time.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Last post by LP -
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
The captain couldn't get a kick, couldn't run out a game, couldn't lay a tackle under Voss, wouldn't commit to the club but suddenly is in brownlow form under Fraser? Weitering has played crape all year, Hewett dropped.
Walsh and Cripps, effectively our two most senior players, are 1st and 2nd in the Jim Park! :o

Now I realise that is consensus and the overall rating might not indicate how you have voted, but I'm sure Cripps didn't get to 2nd place off the back of not firing a shot! ;D
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Last post by ElwoodBlues1 -
Quote from: kruddler – on
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Wright wanted him gone, senior players wouldn't play for him....ditto Scott at Essendon ....

Which senior players? The ones that left? The ones that were dropped? The ones he brought back into the 1's?
The ones who almost won us the game against the lions?

They played pretty well for him while he was there at the end, just couldn't get over the line.
The captain couldn't get a kick, couldn't run out a game, couldn't lay a tackle under Voss, wouldn't commit to the club but suddenly is in brownlow form under Fraser? Weitering has played crape all year, Hewett dropped. The dressing room was a mess under Voss last season and hasn't improve much IMHO and same with Scott at Essendon. I'm not interested in almost, maybes, led at half times etc etc..its been a debacle of a season and everyone knew how it was going to end except now the senior players want to try under Fraser and help the kids but will wins actually mess up our draft hand?If I'm Voss id be asking where was that effort and application to task when I needed it?
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Last post by LP -
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I'm expecting the opposite with Hird.
Media pumping up his tyres, largely,
Not that I trust them, but the media pumping up Hird sort of makes sense if what Caro and Cornes report is true.

Caro and Cornes asserted Hird had been labelled by The Big House as never to coach again, and that would automatically put the media on the side of being Hird boosters because it brings controversy and conflict and that is profitable.

The AFL bang on about integrity, ............................., the media do not care about it!
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Last post by kruddler -
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It's pretty despicable by the media to cause trouble by framing a negative narrative around Voss, then once he's gone they pivot and give him considerable credit. Shameful.
I'm expecting the opposite with Hird.
Media pumping up his tyres, largely, then when he gets in the media will turn and say how could essendon bring him back after the heartache he caused......and never admitted fault for mind you!
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Last post by kruddler -
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I said similar in that i didnt think anything had changed between our Lions game and dogs game.
Now Jagga backed that up in the post match interview
And
Stats back that up too.

Any people who wanted vossy sacked care to weigh in on these revelations?
Wright wanted him gone, senior players wouldn't play for him....ditto Scott at Essendon ....

Which senior players? The ones that left? The ones that were dropped? The ones he brought back into the 1's?
The ones who almost won us the game against the lions?

They played pretty well for him while he was there at the end, just couldn't get over the line.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Last post by LP -
It was obvious the team was on the improve way before Voss resigned.

I'll say it again, we blinked, and I fear in the process our club will eventually undo all or a lot of the progress that was being made in changing our game style, simply due to impatience, fear and uncertainty.

I have no idea what games some people are watching, or what they see when they watch, but it was clear our game style was changing but failing in execution, we could not do it for long enough or well enough. Maybe Voss resigning was the pressure release, but the game style has not changed even a miniscule over the last couple of weeks! They just got better at it which has enabled the team to execute it for longer.

It's obvious the club panicked, and it's not the first time!

Even if we finish 2026 strongly I expect the next coach to wipe the board sending us back to square one, after another 3 or 4 years we'll panic again and give them the ar5e, because that is what we've been doing for 20 years.

In the meantime, the AFL media and Commentary will probably just keep laughing at us, and we deserve it!