Carlton Supporters Club

Quote from: PaulP – on April 20, 2026, 05:00:58 pm

Interesting hearing Luke Beveridge after the Geelong game. He said that as coaches, you either mold the game style to the players you have, or you establish a game style that you know will be successful, and you ask everyone to come up to that. He stated he's always tried the latter. It's similar to the old adage of designing / building a house down to a budget, or up to a standard.

Thats fine provided the system the coach wants followed can work. Contested inside footy is taxing it slow and not the way the current game is played and hence why we are sitting in 16th spot. 

Love him or hate him, Clarko has a hefty successful bank account of success to draw upon - Dawks... and he took over an absolute cot-case - Kangabies.

How does Clarkos first 10 years as a senior coach stack up against Vossy's 

Interesting hearing Luke Beveridge after the Geelong game. He said that as coaches, you either mold the game style to the players you have, or you establish a game style that you know will be successful, and you ask everyone to come up to that. He stated he's always tried the latter. It's similar to the old adage of designing / building a house down to a budget, or up to a standard.

W D L

Alistair Clarkson - North Melbourne
15 1 49

Michel Voss - Carlton
47 1 48

Given that some fans believe we are the new St Kilda, Vossy is knocking it out of the park.

Quote from: kruddler – on April 20, 2026, 03:45:41 pm

The only one spinning it is the bloke who refuses to acknowledge that the success of a football team is spread across 100 blokes, not 1.

Maybe, but it starts with the coach. You can have everything else in place, but if the coach isn't doing the job then it won't work. If the end it is all about what happens on the field and right now it is 11 wins from the last 38. If that isn't happening but nothing is happening. Not disagreeing totally with you, you have some points, but that's the bottom line. He has failed to evolve with the changing game, which is pretty obvious.

You can have issues with a crap club generally, which I think beat Teague, and Malthouse made mention of that not long ago in his time here, but sometimes coaching stands out more, as it has here and did going back to Bolton. Have to be aware of which is the greater over-riding issue. Vossy is basically done here. 11 from 38 says so.

Quote from: laj – on April 20, 2026, 03:16:42 pm

You can spin it, but no. We are alot better than 11 out of 38. The only result that matters. Times up. Enjoyed the ride for most of 3 years, we appreciate that, but to fall off so much, not hard  to work out. 11 from 38 is 11 from 38. Vossy has struggled to evolve with the changing game. At some point the coach stops getting his message through. Happens to most coaches at some stage.

The only one spinning it is the bloke who refuses to acknowledge that the success of a football team is spread across 100 blokes, not 1.

Quote from: kruddler – on April 20, 2026, 02:46:43 pm

Jimbo, how many results would be turned simply by kicking straighter at goal?
Vossy isnt kicking the ball, nor is he picking the guys who is kicking the ball.

Suddenly you see how wins and losses is more than just the coach.
Past history should tell you that changing the coach hasnt solved our problems, so why do you think this is any different?

In fact his results are in line with the strength of the list we have.

I predicted a down year and told everybody to prepare for some poor results. After the chicken little / sky is falling jibes stopped, even my expectations have been let down. None pf our recruits have loved up to expectations and none cone close tp covering what we lost in the off season.

So why is vossy to blame if those things are outside his control?

You can spin it, but no. We are alot better than 11 out of 38. The only result that matters. Times up. Enjoyed the ride for most of 3 years, we appreciate that, but to fall off so much, not hard  to work out. 11 from 38 is 11 from 38. Vossy has struggled to evolve with the changing game. At some point the coach stops getting his message through. Happens to most coaches at some stage.