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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 4 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Last post by Lods -
Quote from: kruddler – on
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That's not what I'm asking
Put your list managers hat on give us three names we should have replaced TDK, Silvagni or Curnow with.

You can argue we didn't plan ahead in case they departed.
You can't argue we did nothing to replace them when they were gone, or looked like going, unless you can suggest some players we should have picked up.
I've given Khamis for Silvagni,that may even have been a win for us, but the Curnow deal got in the way.
Who for TDK and Curnow.

*Ding ding ding*

That aside...we shouldve pried someone out of gold coast when they were interested in charlie. Either king or the kid whose name escapes me right now.

Or if we insisted on sydney, got amartey back. Far from a gun replacement, but bwtter than steak knives florent.

Florent wasn't part of the Curnow trade.
It was done independently


But therin lies the problem....both those options are reasonable suggestions.
But if we made them, what was the response of the other side.
Did we make them, who knows?
We can suggest trades but it takes two sides to agree on them.
So the "We did nothing" only applies when these details are made public.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 4 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Last post by kruddler -
Quote from: Lods – on
Quote from: madbluboy – on


He has been the list manager for 6 years. Other clubs have recruited players. A few here had a laugh at Hawthorn getting Barrass and Battle despite having Frost and Sicily. They improved their defence.


That's not what I'm asking
Put your list managers hat on give us three names we should have replaced TDK, Silvagni or Curnow with.

You can argue we didn't plan ahead in case they departed.
You can't argue we did nothing to replace them when they were gone, or looked like going, unless you can suggest some players we should have picked up.
I've given Khamis for Silvagni,that may even have been a win for us, but the Curnow deal got in the way.
Who for TDK and Curnow.

*Ding ding ding*

That aside...we shouldve pried someone out of gold coast when they were interested in charlie. Either king or the kid whose name escapes me right now.

Or if we insisted on sydney, got amartey back. Far from a gun replacement, but bwtter than steak knives florent.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 4 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Last post by Lods -
Quote from: madbluboy – on
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Regarding not replacing the 'topliners'.

Serious question....
With who?
Who would we have taken in the last draft/trade period to replace them.

You can make a good case for not developing the repalcements long term.
But when DeKoning (expected), Silvagni (unexpected) and Curnow (umming and ahhing) decided to leave who should we have replaced them with.

He has been the list manager for 6 years. Other clubs have recruited players. A few here had a laugh at Hawthorn getting Barrass and Battle despite having Frost and Sicily. They improved their defence.


That's not what I'm asking
Put your list managers hat on give us three names we should have replaced TDK, Silvagni or Curnow with.

You can argue we didn't plan ahead in case they departed.
You can't argue we did nothing to replace them when they were gone, or looked like going, unless you can suggest some players we should have picked up.
I've given Khamis for Silvagni,that may even have been a win for us, but the Curnow deal got in the way.
Who for TDK and Curnow.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: VFL Rd 3 2026 Carlton vs North Melbourne at Arden St.
Last post by crashlander -
Having watched the replay and digested the game:
[1] Reidy won't be the answer. He had the ruck craft to deal with the leapers that North have in Goad and Dawson, but they will be the future (unless the rules change again). When they have some experience, they'll use their jump.
On the other hand, his work around the ground wasn't bad at all. He showed a fair bit in that regard.
He isn't going to be the ruck that helps us back to the top.
On the other hand, he should play more senior footy. Looking at his incident, I strongly doubt he'll be suspended. It was a tad crude, but it simply wasn't bad. We had so many things done to us that were worse for nothing, let alone a fine.

[2] O'Keefe was very ordinary in the first half, but better afterwards. His ruck work, on the other hand, has gone backwards as he doesn't have the leap or the strength. Maybe he can make a forward, but even that is looking shaky.

[3] North's run started in defence. Their small defenders had huge numbers, but our small forwards didn't seem to bother with them.

[4] North's game style is similar to their senior style, and it makes more sense than ours does. When we kicked long down the line, we turned the ball over, as we didn't have the marking targets.

[5] One of the North guys, Tarrant, got 4 goals because we didn't have a defender to match him.
On the other hand, Nick Haynes did a brilliant job on Whitlock. Harvey also tried hard and did a reasonable negative job, but neither of them provided much drive.
Unfortunately, Phillips' apparent defection to St. Kilda and Paea's injury really hurt us. We have not key position types from the AFL side, let alone the VFL side.
One positive: if Phillips is gone, we should be able to select someone to replace him. Hopefully, we're smart enough to get a KP player.

[6] I was disappointed with Ben Camporeale. North's mids were much quicker and he found it hard to match them. That appears to be the future, which we have not addressed.

[7] North wanted it more than we did. Their desperation and our inability to hit targets were probably the difference. Sound familiar? It was.

[8] Charleson started poorly, but after the first ten minutes, he wasn't bad. He, at least, has some pace.
Wilson was similar, and his run was good. He also has real depth with his kicking now he's using it.

[9] Cottrell and Chesser are a long way off where they need to be. Very disappointing. Still, we know that Cottrell can produce; he just seems to take a long time to get form after an injury.

[10] Flynn Young played like Brad Pearce. He must play next week.
If Moir can find some intensity ... but we've thought this before.

[11] Monahan spent a lot of time on the bench with a hip complaint. But he has disappointed so far. he looked so much more impressive in the pre-season. On the other hand, his disposals usually hit the target.

My conclusions:
We are structurally a mess and are unlikely to win unless we can address that.
Most of the guys who showed something last years haven't made any progress. Some have gone backwards.
Our game style is awful. There is no run, no speed on the ball movement. We kick down the line to packs.
I wonder how many of these guys will be here at the end in 2027?
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 4 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Last post by madbluboy -
Quote from: Baggers – on
I must confess that I really don't see any useful point in, "If only we had Charlie, JSOS and TDK." We don't have them any longer. Right, wrong, good, bad... they aint at PP.

Seems to me the club had the long game in mind, bringing in draft picks and stopgap players when trading/letting go those 3... that's their strategy it seems and it'll be some time before they can be judged on that.

We have to work with what we have and so far this, in every game, we've been in winning positions... so, talent wise, we can do it, but then we blow it. Not easy to create cohesion between so many new blokes in 4 games!

Talk of sacking the coach is silly. Who is going to take his place? Ash Hansen **cough, splutter**? Patience Grasshopper.

Didn't say that. Said we didn't replace them.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 4 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Last post by madbluboy -
Quote from: Lods – on
Regarding not replacing the 'topliners'.

Serious question....
With who?
Who would we have taken in the last draft/trade period to replace them.

You can make a good case for not developing the repalcements long term.
But when DeKoning (expected), Silvagni (unexpected) and Curnow (umming and ahhing) decided to leave who should we have replaced them with.

He has been the list manager for 6 years. Other clubs have recruited players. A few here had a laugh at Hawthorn getting Barrass and Battle despite having Frost and Sicily. They improved their defence.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 4 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Last post by ElwoodBlues1 -
Quote from: Baggers – on
I must confess that I really don't see any useful point in, "If only we had Charlie, JSOS and TDK." We don't have them any longer. Right, wrong, good, bad... they aint at PP.

Seems to me the club had the long game in mind, bringing in draft picks and stopgap players when trading/letting go those 3... that's their strategy it seems and it'll be some time before they can be judged on that.

We have to work with what we have and so far this, in every game, we've been in winning positions... so, talent wise, we can do it, but then we blow it. Not easy to create cohesion between so many new blokes in 4 games!

Talk of sacking the coach is silly. Who is going to take his place? Ash Hansen **cough, splutter**? Patience Grasshopper.
Didnt think we were in a winning position vs the Swans, I remember the great David Parkin Carlton sides used to play the premiership quarter(usually the third) and blow teams away much like the Swans did to us. The other teams have all been of the poorer variety bottom end and the football of a substandard nature which to me is the more worrying part.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 4 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Last post by Baggers -
I must confess that I really don't see any useful point in, "If only we had Charlie, JSOS and TDK." We don't have them any longer. Right, wrong, good, bad... they aint at PP.

Seems to me the club had the long game in mind, bringing in draft picks and stopgap players when trading/letting go those 3... that's their strategy it seems and it'll be some time before they can be judged on that.

We have to work with what we have and so far this, in every game, we've been in winning positions... so, talent wise, we can do it, but then we blow it. Not easy to create cohesion between so many new blokes in 4 games!

Talk of sacking the coach is silly. Who is going to take his place? Ash Hansen **cough, splutter**? Patience Grasshopper.