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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 18 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn
Last post by Lods -And another thread bites the dust.
It's a fruitless argument that is dominating many threads.
The same things are being written time after time.
Yet I doubt one mind has been changed.
And in twelve months from now the whole thing will just be another sad chapter in our 21st century history.
We'll have no doubt moved on next year to a new crisis or new beginnings.
People have had their say, it's on the record.
It'll still be here as long as the site exists in it's present form.
But I doubt anyone will look back more than a few pages on any thread they engage with.
At the very least, can posters please try and confine the Voss/Fraser discussion to the relevant coach thread.
Lods, i feel your frustration.
However, yours seems directed at one side of the debate.
Don't blame the retaliators. blame the instigators.
They've been needling us for months, and continue to do so. Now the shoe is on the other foot and you expect us to continue to cop it? Not going to happen.
You probably feel that Kruddler because you're on one side of the debate
The criticism applies to both sides.
The point of 1-8 to 7-1 or whatever the score may be has also been well and truly documented.
But so is the alternative view...it's not like the other side has been quiet.
The point is these things don't need to be repeated over and over in multiple threads.
What exactly are folks getting out of repeating the same thing.
Because if you think you're going to change the minds of those opposite you're sadly mistaken and essentially wasting your time.
Both sides just need to let it go.
Things changed a bit with the loss on the weekend and provided an opportunity for the other side to fire a salvo.
At the moment we have three distinct groups.
Ones questioning the changes, if any.
One supporting the moves.
And a group who just want to move on and look ahead.
I'm not asking anyone to stop posting their arguments.
I'm just pointing out they're pretty futile because no minds have or will change.
And if possible can we keep them out of other threads and confine it to the umbrella thread relating to coaches.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 19 2026 Pre Game Predictions Carlton vs Collingwood at MCG
Last post by Lods -And the weather was probably a major factor.
He averages around 6 marks a game.
He only had one on the weekend.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 19 2026 Pre Game Predictions Carlton vs Collingwood at MCG
Last post by LP -Data Source: AFL Tables career records.
Player Goals Behinds Total Shots Accuracy (%) Brendan Fevola Jack Gunston Robbie Gray Jamie Elliott Charlie Curnow Harry McKay Brodie Kemp
I think it's reasonable to assume Kemp has spent about 1/2 of his total possible game time forward of centre, maybe gets to 2 shots per game when in range. But if we apply that rule to all those forwards, and start counting the minutes players like McKay or Gunston were up the field, than the differential will be even worse.
Except for Fev, pretty much all of them spend game time up the field out of goal range.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 19 2026 Pre Game Predictions Carlton vs Collingwood at MCG
Last post by kruddler -I prefer specialist KP forwards rather than manufactured ones...we need to recruit a young KP who is a good kick at U18 level and doesn't need remedial work.
Brendon Fevola comes to mind...we don't have that player like a Fevola, Gunston, Elliott, Robbie Gray who can kick that set shot match winner in the final seconds under pressure.
I know this is not exactly what you were talking about and the following data doesn't take into account complete misses (look at you Harry) but point remains, i think Kemp is being a bit harshly judged.
| Player | Goals | Behinds | Total Shots | Accuracy (%) |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Brendan Fevola | 623 | 402 | 1,025 | 60.8% |
| Jack Gunston | 593 | 344 | 937 | 63.3% |
| Robbie Gray | 367 | 262 | 629 | 58.3% |
| Jamie Elliott | 364 | 230 | 594 | 61.3% |
| Charlie Curnow | 363 | 164 | 527 | 68.9% |
| Harry McKay | 296 | 155 | 451 | 65.6% |
| Brodie Kemp | 38 | 26 | 64 | 59.4% |
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 19 2026 Pre Game Predictions Carlton vs Collingwood at MCG
Last post by LP -Cooper Lord, who’d been in stellar VFL form, was held out of the twos over the weekend due to the Hewett injury and looms as a reinforcement if the on-baller doesn’t get up.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 19 2026 Pre Game Predictions Carlton vs Collingwood at MCG
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 18 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn
Last post by kruddler -And another thread bites the dust.
It's a fruitless argument that is dominating many threads.
The same things are being written time after time.
Yet I doubt one mind has been changed.
And in twelve months from now the whole thing will just be another sad chapter in our 21st century history.
We'll have no doubt moved on next year to a new crisis or new beginnings.
People have had their say, it's on the record.
It'll still be here as long as the site exists in it's present form.
But I doubt anyone will look back more than a few pages on any thread they engage with.
At the very least, can posters please try and confine the Voss/Fraser discussion to the relevant coach thread.
Lods, i feel your frustration.
However, yours seems directed at one side of the debate.
Don't blame the retaliators. blame the instigators.
They've been needling us for months, and continue to do so. Now the shoe is on the other foot and you expect us to continue to cop it? Not going to happen.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 19 2026 Pre Game Predictions Carlton vs Collingwood at MCG
Last post by PaulP -Does anyone know why Cooper Lord didn't play VFL on the weekend?
He wasn't on the injury list pre-game.
Was he injured just before the game.
Were the concerns over Hewett's back a reason to hold him back, seems a bit extreme....could have played half game if not injured.
Some information here :
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2026-round-19-team-tips-predicted-sides-and-squads-ins-and-outs-team-changes-injuries-latest-team-news/news-story/782568234cee43506e607dffbfe0ad40
"Team Tips: There’s arguably more selection pressure at Ikon Park this week than any other since Josh Fraser took the helm in early May after the club’s unbeaten run under the caretaker coach was snapped by Hawthorn. George Hewett is under an injury cloud with a back spasm, with the midfielder listed as a test on Tuesday. The Blues have finally revealed a timeline for Jacob Weitering’s return from a calf injury, with the star key defender aiming to be available in Round 22 or 23, set to spend another three to four weeks on the sidelines. Cooper Lord, who’d been in stellar VFL form, was held out of the twos over the weekend due to the Hewett injury and looms as a reinforcement if the on-baller doesn’t get up. Elsewhere, Blake Acres responded to his axing with 28 disposals in the VFL win over Hawthorn to also potentially force his way back in, while Lachie Fogarty (32 disposals, 19 contested) also played well at the lower level. Ruckman Flynn Riley impressed on debut in place of Marc Pittonet, who was a late out for the Hawks loss with a hamstring strain and will also miss this weekend."
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 19 2026 Pre Game Predictions Carlton vs Collingwood at MCG
Last post by laj -All our forwards need to sharpen up their goal kicking - Byrne and Ison have sprayed important kicks and Harry's goal kicking issues are an established fact.
And missing a relatively easy kick for goal can sap team confidence, particularly when players have worked hard to create the opportunity.