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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 8 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda
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To give but one example : pushing a guy into the fence, then apologizing, then as result giving away a free kick from the goal square, so effectively two goals within seconds to the opposition - this is your idea of showing "passion and pride in playing for the CFC jumper'?

To say nothing of the fact that he is likely to be rubbed out for a time.
He is young and was probably incredibly frustrated being put under immense pressure again - IIRC that was the 5th incoming goal in a 5 minute period.

Not good enough by our snr players and our coach and coaching staff - not even close!

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/carlton-blues/afl-news-2026-brutal-trade-calls-carlton-must-explore-according-to-david-king-including-jacob-weitering-harry-mckay-and-patrick-cripps/news-story/71eabe60daaa4066dffc4f46d837622d

Interesting summary,  and i agree with most of the points he raises...
But many here probably won't,,     all the deniers here who think we're travelling ok and just need some minor tweaks and give MV another 3-4 years...  
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 8 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda
Last post by MickyO -
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Of course it doesn't,   and physically and mentally not every player is going to be like that...    I was trying in a round about way to say we need more in the team to show that kind of passion and pride in playing  for the CFC jumper -  which seems to be lacking with some of the more senior players,  at least for a full four quarters.........    and when that happens it becomes a team pandemic unfortunately;  as we see on a weekly basis.   Don't worry, Dean will have the Carlton Way hammered into him in the next few months..

To give but one example : pushing a guy into the fence, then apologizing, then as result giving away a free kick from the goal square, so effectively two goals within seconds to the opposition - this is your idea of showing "passion and pride in playing for the CFC jumper'?

To say nothing of the fact that he is likely to be rubbed out for a time.
He is young and was probably incredibly frustrated being put under immense pressure again - IIRC that was the 5th incoming goal in a 5 minute period.

Not good enough by our snr players and our coach and coaching staff - not even close!
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 8 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda
Last post by Bluesers -
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Of course it doesn't,   and physically and mentally not every player is going to be like that...    I was trying in a round about way to say we need more in the team to show that kind of passion and pride in playing  for the CFC jumper -  which seems to be lacking with some of the more senior players,  at least for a full four quarters.........    and when that happens it becomes a team pandemic unfortunately;  as we see on a weekly basis.   Don't worry, Dean will have the Carlton Way hammered into him in the next few months..

To give but one example : pushing a guy into the fence, then apologizing, then as result giving away a free kick from the goal square, so effectively two goals within seconds to the opposition - this is your idea of showing "passion and pride in playing for the CFC jumper'?

To say nothing of the fact that he is likely to be rubbed out for a time.

1.   I'm pretty sure he got a fine
2.    I'm referring to his fire and passion in general,   not that particular incident.   He's a young kid still learning the ropes,  his passion is a great attribute imo,  but  his senior teammates will soon show him the error of his ways.  
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 8 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda
Last post by PaulP -
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Of course it doesn't,   and physically and mentally not every player is going to be like that...    I was trying in a round about way to say we need more in the team to show that kind of passion and pride in playing  for the CFC jumper -  which seems to be lacking with some of the more senior players,  at least for a full four quarters.........    and when that happens it becomes a team pandemic unfortunately;  as we see on a weekly basis.   Don't worry, Dean will have the Carlton Way hammered into him in the next few months..

To give but one example : pushing a guy into the fence, then apologizing, then as result giving away a free kick from the goal square, so effectively two goals within seconds to the opposition - this is your idea of showing "passion and pride in playing for the CFC jumper'?

To say nothing of the fact that he is likely to be rubbed out for a time.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 8 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda
Last post by ElwoodBlues1 -
We have players who wont straightline the ball and pull out of marking contests, then we had the five players on the last line of defense who stood and watched while TDK took a mark and none of them contested, they didnt have a man they were just lounging around waiting for the other bloke to contest. Weitering should have been directing traffic as the senior defender but he doesnt care anymore and couldnt be bothered much like when he fumbled at half back but couldnt be bothered chasing back towards goal. Harry Dean would have learnt SFA watching his senior mates perform, we have 13 players with over 100 games and around 4 with over 200 games but you wouldnt know it watching after half time as they looked like directionless farm animals waiting for a Kelpie to herd them...
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 8 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda
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I'd say promote him to captain,  he's one of just a handful in this spineless team who show any fight or mongrel...
And our idiot recruiting manger just continually brings in these same soft, nice guy types year after  year.    Haynes, Florent, Haywood etc etc...   We have a team full of Mr. nice guys who would rather shake hands and hug with mates in the opposition than show a bit of fight and spirit.   MV has tried his heart out for 5 years,  but unfortunately you can't expect corgis to win races against greyhounds..     Time to move on  -  watch this space

Fight and spirit has little to do push and shove.



Of course it doesn't,   and physically and mentally not every player is going to be like that...    I was trying in a round about way to say we need more in the team to show that kind of passion and pride in playing  for the CFC jumper -  which seems to be lacking with some of the more senior players,  at least for a full four quarters.........    and when that happens it becomes a team pandemic unfortunately;  as we see on a weekly basis.   Don't worry, Dean will have the Carlton Way hammered into him in the next few months..
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 8 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda
Last post by PaulP -
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I'd say promote him to captain,  he's one of just a handful in this spineless team who show any fight or mongrel...
And our idiot recruiting manger just continually brings in these same soft, nice guy types year after  year.    Haynes, Florent, Haywood etc etc...   We have a team full of Mr. nice guys who would rather shake hands and hug with mates in the opposition than show a bit of fight and spirit.   MV has tried his heart out for 5 years,  but unfortunately you can't expect corgis to win races against greyhounds..     Time to move on  -  watch this space

I've never been specially convinced by this argument. Cripps, McKay and others on our list are as tough/mongrel now as they were when we were doing well late 23 and early 24. In fact if you compare McKay's statistical output to someone like Tom Lynch, who, at least reputationally, is a "nasty" type, their output is very similar, and McKay is a little ahead. Whether you believe that these tough guy acts inspire / lift team mates etc is IMO a separate question. Fight and spirit has little to do push and shove.

One aspect that never gets mentioned in such discussions is plain old retribution. If one of our blokes lays a bone crunching tackle on one of the opposition star players, and puts them out of action, who's to say the opposition can't do the same ?

Our players are undoubtedly struggling at the moment, but that has little to with not being more like Harry Dean IMO.