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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Last post by PaulP -
Quote from: dodge – on
It is a curious link, thanks Paul.  Curious in that:
 - Not all the breakdown of crimes by states has a graph, so it is hard to see longer term trends
 - All the graphs should also include another line - crimes per 100,000 (some of the stats have the comparative)
 - Commentary on Vic MV theft says while it has gone up by 11% from last year, hasn't reached the highs of 2001 - maybe that's a target!

Maybe we should all go into permanent lockdown - crime rates seemed low in 2021!

Crime will always be a problem and society should be a safe place for all.  However, all those that take part in recreational drugs, and purchase illicit tobacco do contribute.  Is it OK for people to look for a headline or screaming match to shout about it without willing to be an actual part of a solution?

What is an 'acceptable' rate of crime - it's always going to exist?

What are the actual policies of the political parties around Law and Order?  What is their realism - are they just motherhood statements to make us feel as if they are going address the issues?  What are policies around preventation, incarcerations and post-release.

Yes, I generally agree. There's a reason why you need tertiary qualifications to become a Criminologist - understanding the nature of crime, how crime is documented, recorded, categorized, being able to make sense of long term and short term trends etc is pretty tough.

From what I can tell, crime rates are at best minimally impacted by whether Labor or Liberal is in power, and at worst crime rates are pretty much independent. All this business about Labor being "soft on crime", Liberal being tough on law and order etc, feels like pretty shallow and vapid propaganda to me.

Regarding the sentence in bold, I would add, what is the difference between "being" safe and "feeling" safe ? Since humans moved beyond living in small kinship units to larger population centers where you were side by side with people you didn't know, I'd imagine there's always been some crime. You can never have a 0% crime rate. So as you say, what rate would make people feel safe ? When is crime "under control" and when is it going gangbusters ? These are not in any way east questions to answer.
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The Sports Desk / Re: NFL Crapfest
Last post by kruddler -
Quote from: LP – on
The people who are duded are those who paid way overs for front row at ground level on the wing, late purchasing at top dollar, they made the assumption they were the best seats in the house and were screwed over basically looking at the arse end of the benches!

Those are the 'fans' who turn up because its an event. Any actual fan would know you ain't seeing $h!t from there.
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The Sports Desk / Re: NFL Crapfest
Last post by LP -
The people who are duded are those who paid way overs for front row at ground level on the wing, late purchasing at top dollar, they made the assumption they were the best seats in the house and were screwed over, due to the relative size and curvature of the ground they are basically looking at a bench full of arses!

The best seats would have been up a level front row.
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The Sports Desk / Re: NFL Crapfest
Last post by kruddler -
Quote from: Thryleon – on
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Interested on what was 'face value' of those tickets.

Originally they advertised tickets of $89 and $135 IIRC. The day they were on sale the 'cheap' tickets were $400 and the expensive ones were $600 or so.

They do dynamic ticketting i think, so the more in demand they are, the more expensive they get.
270 dollars for 2 tickets, punt road end looks like olympic stand but could be on the southern stand side.  Behind the goals, they would be the "cheapest" tickets, but considering you couldn't get one...

Thats a good deal. I could have got one, i just chose not to pay (minimum) $400 for it when i can watch at home for free.
If it was a Vikings game, i would've gone.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Last post by LP -
Quote from: DJC – on
When using the ABS statistics, or those from the Victorian Crime Statistics Agency, etc, it’s worth drilling down to see what limitations there are.  The States and Territories don’t necessarily collect the same data or in the same way.
I'm sure I posted this on this very thread days ago, or at least mentioned it when discussing the findings of my friend in Vicpol who moved to Qld, the reporting criteria is different. But some will just ignore that because it doesn't suit the narrative, and that post was well before any stats were linked or quoted.

To him before he moved to Qld it looked like less crime to deal with and more money for not having to worry about it, when he got to Qld the story was very very different.

If you measure using the same reporting criteria then serious crime follows population, I think it was an ANU study that standardised the figures and if I can find it again I'll post it. The federal data is the correct data to look at the trend, but it has to take into account definitions can change from year to year and government to government.

A bit like when Kennett kyboshed metal health facilities, all of a sudden Melbourne was the happiest and healthiest place on earth!

To me it's the same error the general public keeping making when reading stats, they assume an assault is an assault, and that all are reported. It's a bit like when we debate AFL stats, what is a tackle, what is a contested possession. What we think can be significantly different from what the statisticians use as definitions!

I suppose the real question becomes, what makes people think we are all the same and why even expect that? In my opinion it's a bit of a tell!
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Ladies Lounge / AFLW Rd 5 2026 Carlton vs North Melbourne @ North
Last post by kruddler -
Huge game this weekend.
2 undefeated teams.
1 undefeated for 2.5 years now!

Unfortunately we won't be getting back either our x-factor players in Sophie and Darcy, both out with calf/ankle respectively for another 1-2 weeks.

Will be a good test for us.
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The Sports Desk / Re: NFL Crapfest
Last post by Thryleon -
Quote from: kruddler – on
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My mates got tickets.  They are there for less than face value which is interesting.  Bought over the web from Switzerland, and not a scam.

Interested on what was 'face value' of those tickets.

Originally they advertised tickets of $89 and $135 IIRC. The day they were on sale the 'cheap' tickets were $400 and the expensive ones were $600 or so.

They do dynamic ticketting i think, so the more in demand they are, the more expensive they get.
270 dollars for 2 tickets, punt road end looks like olympic stand but could be on the southern stand side.  Behind the goals, they would be the "cheapest" tickets, but considering you couldn't get one... 
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The Sports Desk / Re: NFL Crapfest
Last post by kruddler -
Quote from: Thryleon – on
My mates got tickets.  They are there for less than face value which is interesting.  Bought over the web from Switzerland, and not a scam.

Interested on what was 'face value' of those tickets.

Originally they advertised tickets of $89 and $135 IIRC. The day they were on sale the 'cheap' tickets were $400 and the expensive ones were $600 or so.

They do dynamic ticketting i think, so the more in demand they are, the more expensive they get.