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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Pre Game Predictions Carlton vs Western Bulldogs at Marvel
Last post by Thryleon -
Derksen kicked 5.2 on the weekend whilst Kemp eked out 0.1.

Most people are completely missing the point here, winning games now is totally irrelevant, we are not going to make finals anyway.

However, what can be salvaged from this trainwreck is a clearer picture of what we have on our playing list.

There are 19-20 players out of contract this year (thanks Nick Austin) meaning that there should be some heavy axings, but who ??

It is imperative that we give some senior games to other players on the list to ascertain who genuinely has a future and who hasn’t.

Besides, we are going nowhere with Saad, Williams & Haynes and they are three of the out of contract guys.

Lets use the remainder of the season as a part building block for the future instead of doing the same crap we have done thus far this season with the same non-performing players.
Yeah lets retire players early again, that will make players want to come to us and we can cut their careers short too!
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Pre Game Predictions Carlton vs Western Bulldogs at Marvel
Last post by dodge -
We know that we have been competitive in most games this year.  A few have commented about what happens if we do run out this game and win it - with the implication that it was Voss' inability to change things around, only has one game plan.

What happens if we are blown away - is this a sign of Voss' ability to get the most out of a group, but Fraser can't?
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: General Discussions
Last post by dodge -
EB -  if you are share trading, then it is a business and you don't have capital gains to offset losses against?

If you are an investor and sell shares that make a capital loss to offset those making a gain, it would be impossible to legislate against that and foolish to try.

The modelling would be interesting on the 45%, EB - that kicks in with income over $190k.  How long is an investment property held for, what the average gain/loss is and how the grandfathering rules affect what the calculated gain/loss is.

Understand growth v dividend shares, as dividend shares will be closer to CPI in growth than those that are start ups/growth shares.

I suppose my final question is (to the relief of a few, I'm sure) is:  In Australia, the more you make, the more you are taxed. If you have taken a (calculated) risk by investing and made a profit on the investment when it is sold, what is the ideal amount of tax to pay on this profit (noting that capital losses can only be offset against capital profits) - also noting that the average tax rate of someone on $190k is 28% and the company tax rate is 25%?
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Pre Game Predictions Carlton vs Western Bulldogs at Marvel
Last post by LordLucifer -
Derksen kicked 5.2 on the weekend whilst Kemp eked out 0.1.

Most people are completely missing the point here, winning games now is totally irrelevant, we are not going to make finals anyway.

However, what can be salvaged from this trainwreck is a clearer picture of what we have on our playing list.

There are 19-20 players out of contract this year (thanks Nick Austin) meaning that there should be some heavy axings, but who ??

It is imperative that we give some senior games to other players on the list to ascertain who genuinely has a future and who hasn’t.

Besides, we are going nowhere with Saad, Williams & Haynes and they are three of the out of contract guys.

Lets use the remainder of the season as a part building block for the future instead of doing the same crap we have done thus far this season with the same non-performing players.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: General Discussions
Last post by Thryleon -
Thry - so what are investors having a whinge about if it is that easy to get around the changes?  May have property as security, but still need cashflow if it is in a loss making position...

Yeah, daft about the tunnel boring machine at $7,500, but not as daft as hiring consultancy firms to create and implement policy instead of a permanent workforce that will also create internal IP.

If rego was 500 in 2006 - CPI would have it at $915.  I paid $935 this year - not sure what that issue is?

My biggest concern about 'cost of living relief' measures is that they aren't structural savings - people get used to them and then whinge when they are taken away because they can't be afforded anymore.

So currently, the only solution to reduce house prices is a recession?
The investors that can least afford it are the ones impacted. 

Rentvestors.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: General Discussions
Last post by dodge -
Thry - so what are investors having a whinge about if it is that easy to get around the changes?  May have property as security, but still need cashflow if it is in a loss making position...

Yeah, daft about the tunnel boring machine at $7,500, but not as daft as hiring consultancy firms to create and implement policy instead of a permanent workforce that will also create internal IP.

If rego was 500 in 2006 - CPI would have it at $915.  I paid $935 this year - not sure what that issue is?

My biggest concern about 'cost of living relief' measures is that they aren't structural savings - people get used to them and then whinge when they are taken away because they can't be afforded anymore.

So currently, the only solution to reduce house prices is a recession?
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: General Discussions
Last post by ElwoodBlues1 -
My understanding is that there is a hybrid method of grandfathering which will be a little complicated, with assets needing to have a valuation on or around 1 July 2027.

Current CGT is 50% discount then taxed at marginal rates. Using a capital gain of $100k on a property:

if you are in the top bracket (47%) - discount $50k, tax @ 47% = 23.5k
If you are in the 35% bracket - discount$50k, tax @35% = 17.5k

These taxed gains are offset by deductions already claimed for negative gearing.

With flat rate of 30% less CPI - it gets more complicated to work out, but if we say bought for $500k, sold for $600k, CPI was a constant 3.5% for five years of holding the asset:

Cost Base goes to $593k - which gives a $7k Gain taxed @ 30%?

Taxing discretionary trust distributions at a flat 30% is also interesting.  There are many who use it as pure tax minimisation/rort because they can (eg child is 19 and is given a distribution of up to the 35% bracket, which decreases the distributions required to the highest earning trustees, often in the family - pure rort), but also understand that some are used in a genuine manner to distribute to those that need it.  It may affect small business that genuinely operate in a way that family don't draw a wage, but rely on the distributions instead.

What is the solution to housing affordability proposed by those that are against this? All I have heard is reduce immigration (which the wider ranging effects are fairly complex)

In terms of Private Health rebates for seniors, I'm not really sure about this.  While rules have changed and just using my parents as an example - the last few years of dad's work before retiring, he could package all his salary to super and then draw a tax free pension.  He hasn't paid any income tax or medicare since he was about 62 - over 20 years ago.  I can see the impact of removing the rebate, but don't really understand how to feel about it...

There needs to be change to NDIS - it has blown out, with claims for frivolous, tenuous things to inflated costs for specialists - it has unfortunately been subject to rorts and 'mission drift'.  Needs to be reigned back in.

Alternatives?  There are none, unfortunately.  We desperately need a viable alternative.
Dropping the CGT in favour of the old system will catch more investors paying 47% tax it's been worked out from what I read.
I'm waiting for Chalmers to disallow share trading losses to be offset vs capital gains so he can stop investors manipulating when they buy and sell to reduce tax and carry losses over for the next financial year etc.Removing the health insurance rebate will only send more people to the overwhelmed public system.
Self funded retirees will also look to offload assets and try and qualify for the pension.
Investors will also look to buy income stocks ahead of growth stocks and this won't help startups and fledgling companies needing capital.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: General Discussions
Last post by Thryleon -
Also something else, the more you look through the rules, its about optics and grabbing tax dollars for the government.  There are still mechanisms around, but what I forsee is that people are just going to hold onto their properties, they will borrow against them ensuring they never make a profit on it, and then they wont pay CGT at all, and use it to purchase other assets.

Successfully de-incentivising property hitting the market at all, and also increasing competition for acquisition in more assets, and these people have a leverage advantage.  They have an asset to borrow against.  Less risky, means more competitive loans, and more money to invest.

Its like the AFL.  They bring in rules, and then have impacts they dont forsee.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: General Discussions
Last post by Thryleon -
I don't disagree, Thry, but government policy from 2000 has contributed enormously to the overly inflated prices.

Government policy of making housing an attractive investment (eg through capital gains discounts, being able to borrow to invest through super fund structures) has done a huge amount of damage.

A large correction in housing prices would be debilitating in Australia, particularly if people couldn't afford their mortgages, as if they sold, they would still be paying a mortgage on top of what they would then need to pay to rent/buy elsewhere.

Supply/Demand - if investor demand is diminished then owner/occupiers have less competition, a dampening (rather than correction) will assist in owner occupiers?  Investors may still be interested, but would need the cashflow to support the investment.

Property developers wouldn't be affected, as it is a business, not an investment - so tax as a company, not a capital gain?

From where I sit, government spend contributes more to inflationary pressure than anything else.  The governments keep borrowing money to continue spending, and they need to reign that bit in.

Not all of it, but stuff like painting art on the tunnel boring machines building infrastructure programs.  Sure, its indigenous art, and it comes from funding for them, but what is the purpose of painting art on a tunnel boring machine?  1.  It will get damaged whilst doing the job.  2.  You bet they spent millions on it, for it to remain largely under ground and not in sight of anyone. 

Its not just that, chalmers said $250 back in everyones pockets as a result of tax reform.  Yay, its a weeks groceries.  $200 coming off your rego too.  Yay...  It still costs 1k when it was only 500 20 years ago, this is like giving us back cents after taking dollars off us, and they spend money like its confetti.