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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Jim Park Award 2026
Last post by crashlander -
AFL 2026 WC#1:   Carlton vs Melbourne
We've been playing Elimination Finals for weeks, but we managed to get through again with a brave win.

Trends:
[1]   There were 12 voters this round, which is a little disappointing for such a stunning victory.
please do vote, win, lose or draw: it is something we appreciate and it makes our statistics a lot more reliable. And our statistics hold up pretty well when it comes to John Nicholls Medal night!
I must admit that I see a lot of names from previous campaigns who no longer vote and find that disheartening. I can only hope hope those posters are faring well.

[2]   The rating was a 9.76, which represents an A-! Voters were pleased with this one.

[3]   15 players managed a mention this week, which is reasonably typical of a win, but something a little less than some of our recent triumphs.

[4]   The average vote this week was 32, which is very strong. Scores are around 30 are more usual when we win, so read into that what you will.

[5]   Again 4 players managed 100 votes or more. This is normal for a win these days.

[6] It was really close at the top this week, with 28 votes separating Sam Walsh (333) from Jagga Smith (305). This was Walsh's 10th BOG for the season!

[7] Only three players managed votes from everyone again this week; Walsh, Smith and Ainsworth.

[8]   It was a more even spread this week, with a strong midfield and a powerful defence.

[9] Our youngsters again were significant. Smith was brilliant again. Dean was significant.


Votes:
Walsh, Sam   333
Smith, Jagga   305
Weitering, Jacob   215
Ainsworth, Ben   187
Dean, Harry   89
Hollands, Oliver   69
Pittonet, Marc   61
Haynes, Nicholas   49
Lord, Cooper   41
Cripps, Patrick   28
Cottrell, Matthew   28
Cowan, Lachlan  20
Florent, Oliver  16
Cerra, Adam  16
Kemp, Brodie  4


Progressive Voting:
Walsh, Sam   4804
Patrick Cripps  3825
Smith, Jagga  2880  
Hewett, George  2002
Pittonet, Marc  1433
Florent, Oliver  1389
Will Hayward  1126
Ainsworth, Ben  1121
Evans, Francis 984
Newman, Nic   943
Harry McKay  943
Dean, Harry 782
Matthew Carroll   769
Haynes, Nick   763
Kemp, Brodie  735
Mitch McGovern 710
Weitering, Jacob  681
Cowan, Lachie  612
Ollie Hollands  482
Cerra, Adam  478
Hollands, Elijah  426 
Byrne, Talor  422
Blake Acres  397
William, Zac  330
Lord, Cooper  250
Wilson, Billy   232
Wade Derksen   119
Young, Lewis   94
Cottrell, Matthew 59
Ison, Jack   43
Liam Reidy   28
Boyd, Jordan   27
Adam Saad   15
Flynn Young   8
Flynn Riley   6
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL EF#1 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Last post by LP -
Quote from: DJC – on

No, because as we know, our list management is determined by committee with the coach, head of football and CEO all involved and sharing responsibility for direction and decisions.  Another couple of KPPs would be nice, but not if they're like Harry Lemmey or Josh Schache.
It's not lost on me, that only a short while ago when we had Lemmey and a couple of others, a lot of fans complained the list was top heavy. At the time fans were content with Harry and Charlie with Pitto on hand and TDK coming into contention, and most were busy screaming for more midfield depth.

Now we have a midfield bonanza, at least at the moment, TDK and Charlie have buggered off, and all of a sudden it's list mismanagement!

Some navigate list management like Captain Jack Sparrow's crazy compass, always pointing to what you desire without showing you a direction!
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Jim Park Award 2026
Last post by crashlander -
AFL 2026 Rd 24:   Carlton vs Fremantle[
To defeat the top team as we did was a huge result for us.

Trends:
[1]   There were 12 voters this round, which is a little disappointing for such a stunning victory.
please do vote, win, lose or draw: it is something we appreciate and it makes our statistics a lot more reliable. And our statistics hold up pretty well when it comes to John Nicholls Medal night!
I must admit that I see a lot of names from previous campaigns who no longer vote and find that disheartening. I can only hope hope those posters are faring well.

[2]   The rating was a 10.17, which represents an A! Voters were pleased with this one.

[3]   14 players managed a mention this week, which is reasonably typical of a win, but something a little less than some of our recent triumphs.

[4]   The average vote this week was 33, which is very strong. Scores are around 30 are more usual when we win, so read into that what you will.

[5]   Again 7 players managed 100 votes or more. To do this once was brilliant, but to repeat it is fantastic. 

[6] It was really close at the top this week, with 5 votes separating Sam Walsh (282) from Frankie Evans (277). This was Walsh's 9th BOG for the season! Jagga Smith (3rd) also scored more than 200 votes!

[7] Only two players managed votes from everyone again this week; Walsh and Evans. Three others were close, missing either one or two.

[8]   Our midfield guns dominated the voting this week for the 2nd week in a row. It wasn't that the others weren't any good, it was just that our midfield was phenomenal.

[9] Our youngsters again were significant. Smith was brilliant.


Votes:
Walsh, Sam   282
Evans, Francis   277
Smith, Jagga   203
Cripps, Patrick   175
Florent, Oliver   153
Ainsworth, Ben   141
Hewett, George   107
Pittonet, Marc   85
Acres, Blake   40
Wilson, Billy   28
Kemp, Brodie   17
Cerra, Adam   6
Lord, Cooper   6
Derksen, Wade   6

Progressive Voting:
Walsh, Sam   4470
Patrick Cripps  3797
Smith, Jagga  2575  
Hewett, George  2002
Pittonet, Marc  1372
Florent, Oliver  1372
Will Hayward  1126
Evans, Francis 984
Newman, Nic   943
Harry McKay  943
Ainsworth, Ben  934
Matthew Carroll   769
Kemp, Brodie  731
Haynes, Nick   714
Mitch McGovern 710
Dean, Harry  692
Cowan, Lachie  592
Weitering, Jacob  466
Cerra, Adam  461
Hollands, Elijah  426 
Byrne, Talor  422
Ollie Hollands  413
Blake Acres  397
William, Zac  330
Wilson, Billy   232
Lord, Cooper  204
Wade Derksen   119
Young, Lewis   94
Ison, Jack   43
Cottrell, Matthew 31
Liam Reidy   28
Boyd, Jordan   27
Adam Saad   15
Flynn Young   8
Flynn Riley   6
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL EF#1 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Last post by DJC -
Quote from: bratblue – on
Was Austins greatest failing that he couldn't find a couple of understudy KPF's and the reason why he was shown the door?

No, because as we know, our list management is determined by committee with the coach, head of football and CEO all involved and sharing responsibility for direction and decisions.  Another couple of KPPs would be nice, but not if they're like Harry Lemmey or Josh Schache.

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Notice Board (Visitors Enter Here) / Re: Where's EB1?
Last post by DJC -
EB’s account was active recently.  Lods and I weren’t sure whether that was because Lods accessed his email address but, account activity wasn’t logged when I accessed his email account.

There could be any number of explanations for that but I’m taking it as a positive 🤞

Whatever the situation, Brother Elwood is an important and well-respected member of the CSC family and I join with others in wishing him well.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL EF#1 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Last post by RiverRat -
Quote from: tex – on
Quote from: RiverRat – on


Not until we recruit or develop better options.

Young earned his place in the team after spending much of the season in the VFL
Young had reached his ceiling and found wanting at AFL.
Best to give someone else a go. Even a MSD pick might be OK

Why do we persist with players that won’t be part of a premiership team?

With so many teams in the league (and another one on the way) the depth of talent has never been worse and the mechanisms for recruiting or developing better players (especially tall options) have never been so strained.  You only need to look at our VFL team to realise that the number of players capable of playing better than guys like Young  are few and far between.

Dropping players from the list - just because of limitations to their potential ceilings - could well consign a club to long-term failure - e.g. since 1995.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL EF#1 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Last post by kruddler -
Quote from: tex – on
Quote from: RiverRat – on


Not until we recruit or develop better options.

Young earned his place in the team after spending much of the season in the VFL
Young had reached his ceiling and found wanting at AFL.
Best to give someone else a go. Even a MSD pick might be OK

Why do we persist with players that won’t be part of a premiership team?

There isn't anyone else, this is the problem.
We have refused to draft someone to move into these roles when we know they are not up to it.
HOK was the great white hope and turned out to be a lot worse than young.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL EF#1 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Last post by Thryleon -
Quote from: tex – on
Quote from: RiverRat – on


Not until we recruit or develop better options.

Young earned his place in the team after spending much of the season in the VFL
Young had reached his ceiling and found wanting at AFL.
Best to give someone else a go. Even a MSD pick might be OK

Why do we persist with players that won’t be part of a premiership team?

With that logic none of our players should be persisted with.

Its the worst way to manage a list.  You never go forwards because you cast off players who might have a bigger say than others at that point in their careers.  Some of the guys we are going to cut are in the prime of their career and have max 2 years of their best footy in them.

Some of the guys we are going to keep are a week to week proposition.

Some of them have 10 years of footy in front of them.

Which ones isnt about whos in our next flag, its whos going to play for us next season.  Guys like newman and haynes are unlikely to feature in our next flag, but come round 1 2027, they're in line for selection because they're good enough.

Thats how you breed competition for spots, and hunger to win a flag.  Not by rewarding kids because they might be good enough one day, or by flinging loose 27 year olds because they arent Wayne Carey.   Thats cutting players for the sake of it.

Who goes should solely be about what comes in to replace them and what else can realistically be rexruited to replace them.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL EF#1 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Last post by tex -
Quote from: RiverRat – on
Quote from: Bluesers – on
Young has to go,  as does McGovern, Acres,  plus 1 or 2 others who are not up to it.  


Not until we recruit or develop better options.

Young earned his place in the team after spending much of the season in the VFL
Young had reached his ceiling and found wanting at AFL.
Best to give someone else a go. Even a MSD pick might be OK

Why do we persist with players that won’t be part of a premiership team?