Carlton Supporters Club

Quote from: crashlander – on March 29, 2026, 08:53:46 pm

It has been an embarrassing day for Carlton, but it certainly didn't start the way it should have.
Carlton 12 - 7 - 79
Williamstown 12 - 12 - 84

[1] We haven't beaten Williamstown yet in this iteration of our 2nds. That is simply unacceptable! Granted that our VFL program has been turned on its head, with Power replaced by Truslove (and most of the other coaches as well), but with so many AFL LISTED PLAYERS, we should not be losing to VFL clubs!

[2] To start so poorly is unprofessional, especially as we don't run out games.

[3] To have Mirkov beat Reidy in the ruck is awful. For all his limitations, Mirkov gave his mids first look. That bodes terribly for Reidy. And it bodes terribly for Carlton as a team, as we badly needed Reidy to step up.
The positive was Reidy's work around the ground: 20 disposals is a positive. But it doesn't give our mids the service they need.

[4] Williamstown had the 3 top possession getters on the ground: FitzGerald, Hall-Kahan & Toner. And yet, did we have anyone run with them?
Our lack of run-with players is terribly obvious in the seniors, but it seems that there is nobody doing the job in the VFL.

[5] Nick Haynes: 13 marks. Nobody else got close to that. If he has done his hamstring, then we've lost something.

[6] Nic Newman: I was hoping that we wouldn't need Nic much any longer, but he does something few of our defenders do, he wins one on one possessions. His lack of pace might be an issue, but there is still a place for him in the seniors.

[7] Other than Flynn Young, who kicks our goals?

How did all the other senior listed players go? Moir, the Campos? The Irish guys?

It has been an embarrassing day for Carlton, but it certainly didn't start the way it should have.
Carlton 12 - 7 - 79
Williamstown 12 - 12 - 84

[1] We haven't beaten Williamstown yet in this iteration of our 2nds. That is simply unacceptable! Granted that our VFL program has been turned on its head, with Power replaced by Truslove (and most of the other coaches as well), but with so many AFL LISTED PLAYERS, we should not be losing to VFL clubs!

[2] To start so poorly is unprofessional, especially as we don't run out games.

[3] To have Mirkov beat Reidy in the ruck is awful. For all his limitations, Mirkov gave his mids first look. That bodes terribly for Reidy. And it bodes terribly for Carlton as a team, as we badly needed Reidy to step up.
The positive was Reidy's work around the ground: 20 disposals is a positive. But it doesn't give our mids the service they need.

[4] Williamstown had the 3 top possession getters on the ground: FitzGerald, Hall-Kahan & Toner. And yet, did we have anyone run with them?
Our lack of run-with players is terribly obvious in the seniors, but it seems that there is nobody doing the job in the VFL.

[5] Nick Haynes: 13 marks. Nobody else got close to that. If he has done his hamstring, then we've lost something.

[6] Nic Newman: I was hoping that we wouldn't need Nic much any longer, but he does something few of our defenders do, he wins one on one possessions. His lack of pace might be an issue, but there is still a place for him in the seniors.

[7] Other than Flynn Young, who kicks our goals?

Mercedes are fast and top of the game (for now) strategy wise.

Quote from: kruddler – on March 29, 2026, 08:19:31 pm

Proper Preperation Prevents Poor Performance

Players leave, sure.....you can't throw up your hands and say there is no way we could've seen that coming.....and a have a year at the bottom as a result.

I've been stressing the importance for years, and been mocked repeatedly for it.
Yet here we are.

There will always be a player that want out.
There will always be a player who misses a year through injury.
There will always be an older player who falls off a cliff performance wise.

These are NOT valid excuses to fail.
You PLAN for these things in advance.....like i was suggesting.

We didn't.
They are to blame.

Regardless of any relationships with the coach, recruiters have failed in this area.

I've said it many times.
Individually, every decision the recruiters have made, you can find make a case for. (whether it works out or not is another story)
However, you are not picking a group of individuals. You are picking a complete list, with allowances to cover for injuries etc. This is the area we have failed in.

Do we not think that Voss has had mutiple ongoing discussions with his list manager over the years with regards to the nature of the game style we play and the type of players required.
Do they just cover their faces when they pass each other in the corridors and walk on.
If we're that dysfunctional that there is not a collaborative approach then we probably deserve to be in the position we currently sit in.

This may be Austin's list but Voss would have had a big input.

Quote from: kruddler – on March 29, 2026, 08:19:31 pm

Proper Preperation Prevents Poor Performance

Players leave, sure.....you can't throw up your hands and say there is no way we could've seen that coming.....and a have a year at the bottom as a result.

I've been stressing the importance for years, and been mocked repeatedly for it.
Yet here we are.

There will always be a player that want out.
There will always be a player who misses a year through injury.
There will always be an older player who falls off a cliff performance wise.

These are NOT valid excuses to fail.
You PLAN for these things in advance.....like i was suggesting.

We didn't.
They are to blame.

Regardless of any relationships with the coach, recruiters have failed in this area.

I've said it many times.
Individually, every decision the recruiters have made, you can find make a case for. (whether it works out or not is another story)
However, you are not picking a group of individuals. You are picking a complete list, with allowances to cover for injuries etc. This is the area we have failed in.

Do we not think that Voss has had mutiple ongoing discussions with his list manager over the years with regards to the nature of the game style we play and the type of players required.
Do they just cover their faces when they pass each other in the corridors and walk on.
If we're that dysfunctional that there is not a collaborative approach then we probably deserve to be in the position we currently sit in.

This may be Austin's list but Voss would have had a big input.

Quote from: Lods – on March 29, 2026, 08:04:17 pm

You can make a case for faults in our recruiting but Silvagni, Curnow and TDK all left becasue they wanted to go.
That's not setting Voss up to fail.
In fact there is some suggestion that some of those departing were less than enamoured with Voss's approach.
DeKoning left for ridiculous money...we were bever going to match that.

Proper Preperation Prevents Poor Performance

Players leave, sure.....you can't throw up your hands and say there is no way we could've seen that coming.....and a have a year at the bottom as a result.

I've been stressing the importance for years, and been mocked repeatedly for it.
Yet here we are.

There will always be a player that want out.
There will always be a player who misses a year through injury.
There will always be an older player who falls off a cliff performance wise.

These are NOT valid excuses to fail.
You PLAN for these things in advance.....like i was suggesting.

We didn't.
They are to blame.

Regardless of any relationships with the coach, recruiters have failed in this area.

I've said it many times.
Individually, every decision the recruiters have made, you can find make a case for. (whether it works out or not is another story)
However, you are not picking a group of individuals. You are picking a complete list, with allowances to cover for injuries etc. This is the area we have failed in.