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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading)
Last post by DJC -I fear Australia is going down the same track, as we become increasingly influenced by media-driven one-liners and cheap-shot journalists who no longer report news, only their agenda-laden opinions.I'm not so pessimistic, I think the extremists are still clearly in the minority pretty much everywhere globally, it's the media representation that is unbalanced.
The problem is the inaction of the silent majority, it needs to vote with it's wallet, it is the only thing that modern media understand. Stop advertising on their platforms, stop buying what they peddle, and the executives will get the message.
I'm of a similar view LP.
I think that incidents like the Porepunkah tragedy and the attacks on synagogues, Jewish businesses, Camp Sovereignty, etc are aberrations by a tiny minority that's manipulated by bad actors. On the whole, we're a relatively tolerant bunch who can conduct political discourse without resorting to name calling.
Peter Dutton's concession speech and the remarks he directed to Albo and Ali France are good examples of that. And then there's the fact that Dutton and Albo are good mates, despite having opposing political views.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading)
Last post by LP -I fear Australia is going down the same track, as we become increasingly influenced by media-driven one-liners and cheap-shot journalists who no longer report news, only their agenda-laden opinions.
The problem is the inaction of the silent majority, it needs to vote with it's wallet, it is the only thing that modern media understand. Stop advertising on their platforms, stop buying what they peddle, and the executives will get the message.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading)
Last post by tonyo -In the USA, there is no semblance of respect for someone with an opposing view, because that is the example set by their so-called leaders.
Both sides of politics in the US have fostered a growing level of hatred for the opposition - the leaders call each other 'mentally deranged', 'retarded' and 'bad people', among other far worse things. There is often inferred acceptance of physical harm in some of the messaging. It has certainly gotten worse with the advent of Donald, who uses public insults and belittlement as his primary campaign tool, but the Democrats are no saints either.
This then feeds the rhetoric of both sides of the media, which unleash attacks on various public figures based on ideology and viewpoint. Now there is a population that is increasingly polarised because they only seek and listen to messages that fit their world view. Mix in conspiracy theories via unchecked social media, marginalised individuals with an axe to grind, and ready access to weapons, and there is a shooting frenzy ready to happen.
Both right- and left-wing politicians and public figures have been murdered in recent times, so neither side can claim 'victim' status.
But until the leaders of both political persuasion say 'enough is enough', and start showing a level of respect they expect the whole country to uphold, things will only get worse.
I fear Australia is going down the same track, as we become increasingly influenced by media-driven one-liners and cheap-shot journalists who no longer report news, only their agenda-laden opinions.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading)
Last post by LP -I suspect that’s a fairly common characterisation of most school shooters.
I think the key word here is extreme, it appears that even for the hard right or left these individuals are beyond the norm.
But this is what my signature states, it's always been that way!
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading)
Last post by LP -From the latest reports I think you have gone too early now lol.
Other actors in this debate, like the NRA, seem to be actively and deliberately muddying the waters, it's truly bizarre behaviour.
There is no high ground on either side of this debate, both sides are equally wrong and that is the primary take away point.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading)
Last post by DJC -At this point in time, taking the sum total of information available, the only reasonable conclusion is that the shooter was politically incoherent, either because the information is unreliable (for a host of reasons) or because he was a confused young man with no clear political position.
I suspect that’s a fairly common characterisation of most school shooters.
It’s interesting that the engravings on the cartridge cases that were originally identified as pro trans, pro gay and anti-fascist are mostly video game references and, if anything, anti-gay. The video game references suggest divorced from reality.
The degree of difficulty in pulling off a fatal hit at that range shouldn’t be underestimated, particularly when the shooter was in an elevated position relative to the victim.
Robinson is clearly a very competent marksman. The photographs of him at ranges and with different weapons, as well as the engraved cartridge cases, suggest an unhealthy interest in firearms, at least by our standards.
Throw in his religion, video game fascination, educational experiences, and the increasingly demeaning and dehumanising political rhetoric and actions, and you have a problem.
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The Sports Desk / Re: Track and Field
Last post by Lods -Austrlian record and Semi final qualifier.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading)
Last post by Baggers -Before people take a side in this debate....
I think that taking sides is the problem....
Why does there have to be a side.
Both 'teams' are right into the blame game here, and both lay the reponsibility for the assassination at the other.
On one hand there is a fair bit of "He got what he deserved", "Live by the sword etc" from one side, and in reponse to that the other group is taking these comments and "naming and shaming" and as a result putting a target on their backs.
I suspect there's also a fair bit of doubt about some of the things being posted online, as tampering with video and photograph has reached a new levels of deception, especially with some of the AI stuff we're seeing.
It's hard to know what is real and what is not.
It's hard to know whether quotes attributed to people are accurate, or half truths....or just made up to make them look bad.
A lot of this still seems a bit odd and the full story of motivation, or whether there were others involved is still to be determined.
We tend to think of this 'left' and 'right' debate as a straight line spectrum
To me it's more like a "ring"
On one side of the ring are sensible people with open minds and a fair bit of tolerance to opposing points of view.
You can go 'left' or you can go 'right' but eventually you'll reach the other side of the ring...and that's where the 'haters' and 'nutjobs' live.
Now ya talkin' Principal LODS.
When we're glued to, or rusted onto, a political ideology we'll shoehorn just about any event, instantly, to suit our heavy bias/prejudice. And in the 'fullness of time' likely come out looking like a goose.
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