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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Iran, I ran so far away - flock of seagulls
Last post by ElwoodBlues1 -
Quote from: DJC – on
There's also the astronomical cost of sophisticated munitions - US PAC-3 interceptors cost USD3.7M each and they're being used to counter Shahed drones that cost Iran around USD50K.

It's estimated that it will take until 2030 before the US has replenished its pre-war munitions inventory ... and that affects all nations that rely on the US for sophisticated weaponry.  At least our government is progressing local manufacture of high tech missiles and cheaper anti-drone systems but we're still too reliant on the US.
Ukraine who are the drone experts offered Trump cheap drones as well as trained operators to teach how to use them effectively but Trump refused because he said the mighty USA were the leaders in Drone technology and didnt want to feel obligated to help Zelensky back and its costing the US every day and well into the future....
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Iran, I ran so far away - flock of seagulls
Last post by DJC -
There's also the astronomical cost of sophisticated munitions - US PAC-3 interceptors cost USD3.7M each and they're being used to counter Shahed drones that cost Iran around USD50K.

It's estimated that it will take until 2030 before the US has replenished its pre-war munitions inventory ... and that affects all nations that rely on the US for sophisticated weaponry.  At least our government is progressing local manufacture of high tech missiles and cheaper anti-drone systems but we're still too reliant on the US.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 17 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Last post by LP -
Quote from: Lods – on

I'm guessing most, if not all of those that have spoken in support of Voss were genuine in their comments and there is a certain consistency of message.
On this, I'm not so much a Voss booster but a bullsh1t debunker, and some people take that debunking as Voss boosting because it doesn't fit their beliefs. But beliefs need not be founded in reality.

No matter what the players are advised or instructed to say, it has to retain integrity because insiders know and are not guessing. Much like this forum, there will be those for and against on the inside as well, but a more informed for and against, and that is normal for any footy club suburban or AFL. If you broadcast bullsh1zen, your enemies within have you cornered.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 17 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Last post by Lods -
That's true...
And yes, we'll all put our own bias and interpretation on what's said and why.

I'm guessing most, if not all of those that have spoken in support of Voss were genuine in their comments and there is a certain consistency of message.
There would be no doubt the club would have spoken to players about that consistency of message to keep everyone on the same page.
The club would want this change to be seen as smooth, without any major discontent and division of opinion.
For all parties it would have been 'club before individual'...and that seems to have worked pretty well in the general football world.

If I was the boss of the club my advice to the players after the departure would have been along these lines.

"Michael Voss is a highly respected figure in the AFL world. He's done a good job in often trying circumstances however we've  decided to go in a different direction.
At the same time we need to acknowledge his contribution.
If you're asked feel free to give your opinion, but keep in mind that any negative aspects you mention will probably reflect more on you than they will on Voss.
Keep it positive both in terms of the stucture that Voss established and the continuity under Fraser."

And within that framework players would be free to put it in their own words reflecting the strength of their own feelings.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 18 2026 Pre Game Predictions Carlton vs Hawthorn at MCG
Last post by LP -
Quote from: DJC – on
It's probably fortunate that Hawthorn are without Reeves and it will be Riley and Harry against Meek and Chol.
A war of attrition.

It's an opportunity for Riley, and perhaps not as bad as fans think. Pitto is a known known to many Dawks staffers and opponents, while Riley is a relative unknown. As a newbie you always have an advantage, it's just that many newbies do not have the confidence to take it.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 18 2026 Pre Game Predictions Carlton vs Hawthorn at MCG
Last post by DJC -
Quote from: Lods – on
I'm not sure he's ready for the jump in class....but we're out of options.
Reidy, Pittonet are injured.
O'Keefe is stuggling as a forward at VFL and doing limited ruck work.

Riley has been dominating taps most games, but he doesn't always direct them well.
He does have a good attitude and works hard...but may run out of puff at the pace of this game on a big ground.
He also goes OK around the ground and usually picks up more disposals than his immediate opposition.
It will be interesting... and given he was a mid-season pick this is what he was taken for...a break glass situation.

The glass hasn't just broken, it has shattered!

One thing that Riley does bring to the table is his ability to clunk marks.  Pitto averages just over one mark a game (but he does OK at stopping his opponents marking).  Riley is averaging three marks a game in the VFL and he will still be 206cm when he runs out on Saturday night. 

It's probably fortunate that Hawthorn are without Reeves and it will be Riley and Harry against Meek and Chol.

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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Iran, I ran so far away - flock of seagulls
Last post by LP -
Quote from: northernblue – on
And the idiot followers lap it up whilst they’re paying !
Ironically, a lot(most probably) of this comes at the expense of the US tax payer, they seem to be missing the fact the USA is going to pay for this war eventually, at least in the short term. If the Maga Nutters read this statement they probably think my use of the term pay refers to paying for the military, that's how stupid they are! They are going to pay for the rebuild, not Iran, not Israel, certainly not NATO!

As I wrote earlier, they all have to pay Iran to rebuild, and I bet a bunch of Trump, Bibi or stooge connected companies get the contracts! ;) The bill was estimated at US$1000 per US man, woman or child, that was weeks ago and it goes up by the day!
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 18 2026 Pre Game Predictions Carlton vs Hawthorn at MCG
Last post by Lods -
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Just got a call from an avid Bluebagger mate... Riley in for Pitto.
Not sure how to feel about this, I assume Pitto is injured as I’m not sure Riley was busting the door down in e 2’s, no doubt there’s better informed listers in this site who can give a proper update on Wagga Riley will bring. Anyway, best of luck to the big fella!

I'm not sure he's ready for the jump in class....but we're out of options.
Reidy, Pittonet are injured.
O'Keefe is stuggling as a forward at VFL and doing limited ruck work.

Riley has been dominating taps most games, but he doesn't always direct them well.
He does have a good attitude and works hard...but may run out of puff at the pace of this game on a big ground.
He also goes OK around the ground and usually picks up more disposals than his immediate opposition.
It will be interesting... and given he was a mid-season pick this is what he was taken for...a break glass situation.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 17 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Last post by LP -
@Shakin77‍  Being respectful is too simplistic, there are many perspectives in this debate, people with widely varied belief systems that influence personal perception.

The players involved can't just "be respectful" at any cost, they have to be referentially consistent and grounded in reality with peers and associates. Sometimes that reality doesn't agree with 3rd party external observations, and it's too easy for 3rd parties to just write off the information shared because it doesn't fit a personal belief or persepctive.

The people directly involved have to have integrity and respect, to themselves, and to those around them, they can't just state whatever the like publicly it must be consistent with the group experience. If they don't, to peers they be categorised like Trump and nothing they say will ever be trusted.