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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 8 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda
Last post by Bluesers -
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I'd say promote him to captain,  he's one of just a handful in this spineless team who show any fight or mongrel...
And our idiot recruiting manger just continually brings in these same soft, nice guy types year after  year.    Haynes, Florent, Haywood etc etc...   We have a team full of Mr. nice guys who would rather shake hands and hug with mates in the opposition than show a bit of fight and spirit.   MV has tried his heart out for 5 years,  but unfortunately you can't expect corgis to win races against greyhounds..     Time to move on  -  watch this space

Fight and spirit has little to do push and shove.



Of course it doesn't,   and physically and mentally not every player is going to be like that...    I was trying in a round about way to say we need more in the team to show that kind of passion and pride in playing  for the CFC jumper -  which seems to be lacking with some of the more senior players,  at least for a full four quarters.........    and when that happens it becomes a team pandemic unfortunately;  as we see on a weekly basis.   Don't worry, Dean will have the Carlton Way hammered into him in the next few months..
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 8 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda
Last post by PaulP -
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I'd say promote him to captain,  he's one of just a handful in this spineless team who show any fight or mongrel...
And our idiot recruiting manger just continually brings in these same soft, nice guy types year after  year.    Haynes, Florent, Haywood etc etc...   We have a team full of Mr. nice guys who would rather shake hands and hug with mates in the opposition than show a bit of fight and spirit.   MV has tried his heart out for 5 years,  but unfortunately you can't expect corgis to win races against greyhounds..     Time to move on  -  watch this space

I've never been specially convinced by this argument. Cripps, McKay and others on our list are as tough/mongrel now as they were when we were doing well late 23 and early 24. In fact if you compare McKay's statistical output to someone like Tom Lynch, who, at least reputationally, is a "nasty" type, their output is very similar, and McKay is a little ahead. Whether you believe that these tough guy acts inspire / lift team mates etc is IMO a separate question. Fight and spirit has little to do push and shove.

One aspect that never gets mentioned in such discussions is plain old retribution. If one of our blokes lays a bone crunching tackle on one of the opposition star players, and puts them out of action, who's to say the opposition can't do the same ?

Our players are undoubtedly struggling at the moment, but that has little to with not being more like Harry Dean IMO.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 8 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda
Last post by Gointocarlton -
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I'd say he will do time. Vossy talked him up in the press conference. Not that incident specifically, but the way Dean goes about it.
I'd say promote him to captain,  he's one of just a handful in this spineless team who show any fight or mongrel...
And our idiot recruiting manger just continually brings in these same soft, nice guy types year after  year.    Haynes, Florent, Haywood etc etc...   We have a team full of Mr. nice guys who would rather shake hands and hug with mates in the opposition than show a bit of fight and spirit.   MV has tried his heart out for 5 years,  but unfortunately you can't expect corgis to win races against greyhounds..     Time to move on  -  watch this space
I wouldnt say Haynes, Florent and Hayward are in the "nice" category. Do they show controlled aggression enough? Probably not but they have it in them. Ditto Ainsworth.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 8 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda
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Will Dean get rubbed out for that push? Hes young he should t have done it, but gee he plays with some vigour 💪🏼

I'd say he will do time. Vossy talked him up in the press conference. Not that incident specifically, but the way Dean goes about it.
I'd say promote him to captain,  he's one of just a handful in this spineless team who show any fight or mongrel...
And our idiot recruiting manger just continually brings in these same soft, nice guy types year after  year.    Haynes, Florent, Haywood etc etc...   We have a team full of Mr. nice guys who would rather shake hands and hug with mates in the opposition than show a bit of fight and spirit.   MV has tried his heart out for 5 years,  but unfortunately you can't expect corgis to win races against greyhounds..     Time to move on  -  watch this space
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 8 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda
Last post by crashlander -
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Nah that was a dog act.
It wasn't impressive, it was an act of frustration, and it will be interesting to see how it is received.
The inconsistency in outcomes from the match Review means it is difficult to see how they will jump. After all, Ben Camporeale got a season ending ban for pushing a guy last year, but when he is on the receiving end, the result was nothing. Granted, he wasn't as badly hurt, but the two incidents were very similar.
There certainly seems to be a component where the outcome is taken into account, even though that's not supposed to be the case. Considering that the St. Kilda guy suffered nothing, that could be a good sign.
But, as I said, the outcome often has little to do with what actually happens. Some of the outcomes appear ludicrous, given the criteria.
I don't think Dean will be playing next week anyway: he appears to have a groin problem.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 8 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda
Last post by kruddler -
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In the meantime, we just gotta find 23 blokes who are team oriented and disciplined enough to not ruin it for the rest of them.
It highlights why an out of sorts elijah can cause havoc for the whole team too.

What! That's the ticket, guilt-trip the kid. Nice work.

What I saw was Elijah's situation galvanize the playing group and club (as it should) into universal and overwhelming care, love and support. A positive net effect for all concerned.

When he reads this ill apologise to him, until then I'm standing by it.

1 man down in a team defense will bring the while thing down. It cant happen.

Whether its a legitimate reason, elijah, or whether it's someone who simply CBF, the result is the same.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 8 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda
Last post by Gointocarlton -
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If you haven't read this article it's a good read.

The ABC boys often offer something different to 95% of the AFL media and that's some actual analysis

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-04-02/explaining-carlton-infamous-second-half-fade-outs/106525364

I am not one to blame the Coach, however the MC has to take some responsibility for a side that has no problem developing and executing a game plan that puts them in a position to win the game.

The same group of players with the same ability can't execute in the 2nd half.   Fitness?   Taxing game style may all play a part, but the coaching team has to be right up there.

It seems to me they're being asked to play a style of game that they are not capable of sustaining.
And when it goes bad, there is no alternative.

That must be terribly frustrating for the playing group.

Do you try to fit the group into the plan, or do you fit the plan to the group?
This is all well and good but what doesn't gell with me is this. Both when Voss started and last off season (when the new assistant coaches were appointed), the coaches and playing group sat down together and devised a way they wanted to play. ie the way the players wanted to play. They came up with the game plan or style based on that feedback and player buy in. Now all of a sudden, the players cant do it, its unsustainable, they dont get along with the coach, WTF is going on here?  Either Voss is a complete BS artist (re his comments about sitting down with the players) or the tail is wagging the dog when it gets too hard...again.
I'm no dill, its a win loss business and Carlton will do Carlton things and the coach always gets it in the neck so given where we are at, a change will be made. But there are underlying problems that need addressing once and for all which if they arent, we will have having these same threads and discussions in 1,2,3 years time. Nothing surer.