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Blah-Blah Bar / RIP Jimmy Cliff
Last post by DJC -
Jimmy Cliff passed away aged 81.

Widely credited with popularising reggae, Jimmy was also a multi-instrumentalist and ska, rocksteady and soul musician.

Notable tracks include  “The Harder They Come”,  “Many Rivers to Cross”, and “You Can Get It If You Really Want”.

Jimmy was also an accomplished actor and, while it’s probably one of his lesser roles, my favourite Jimmy Cliff movie is the 1985 “Water” with Michael Caine and Billy Connolly.

RIP
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: List Building - More than one way to skin a cat
Last post by Lods -
The way I see it is that we're doing a mini-rebuild but working the opposite way to Silvagni who developed the spine first.
What we seem to be embarking on over the last couple of draft trade periods is working on building a base of younger, smaller players with a mix of specific skills that complement each other. Lumping the small/medium forwards into one group is wrong, because each and every one of them bring different qualities

That doesn't mean totally ignoring the taller key position players as they become available, but wait for quality (Dean). If it's not avaliable at your pick don't waste it on a 'maybe'.
We all agree talls take time. The question is what gives you the greatest chance of picking up a good one.
Draft them at 18 (where physical maturity is all over the shop) or wait until you see the player at a more mature age and grab them through trade or free agency.

At the moment we can probably say that the development of most young players is on track...but just through the nature of turnover in list management they won't all survive the cut. Thry's given a pretty good account of where they are all at.

The Irishmen will need to get a wiggle on, they don't trouble the statisticians, they don't really stand-out, but both play as defenders so it may be they're doing the jobs set  for them which means the club is OK continuing the experiment for another year. Duffy has only had the one year after a season recovering from injury. We'll know a whole lot more as to their longevity next year when a decision will be made. It costs us little,but the club is persevering so they must see something.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: List Building - More than one way to skin a cat
Last post by Lods -
Shoehorning?

Is that like saying if a player isn't 198cm plus, and built like Tarzan then they are not a Key Position player. :D

Don't know, never said that.

Never said you did...just asking for a friend.
So I guess we won't be hearing anymore about players not being 'big'enough to play key positon.
It will always be about being able to handle the role.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: List Building - More than one way to skin a cat
Last post by Thryleon -
after all I posted thats what you took away? 


Fixed it for you. Happy now? Its still the same delineation, and we will cut from the afl group as well as the none ready group moving forward but there is one important distinction between the two groups.  Players leaving the first group were afl ready but not good enough.  Players being axed from the second group will be because they arent going to get there with us.


No one expects the Irish to make it, but technically they're key position sized.


I don't know what you want me to say?
You broke down the list into 2 groups by age. You suggesting the young group is the direction that the list management team is focusing on and that we will be ok with this direction based on those players.
That's an opinion.
My opinion is that your opinion would have made a better point without shoehorning people in to back up that point.


The point is the point.  The Irish lads are currently talls in that under age bracket.  They arent shoe horned in there. They might do a setanta one day, or they might be delisted but this is where our list is at today.  You dont like that, and THAT is a you problem.
Yes both older people and younger people will be cut. My point about that was you can't say how good the young group is when some of them will be cut next year. Same point as above, shoehorning people in hurts your statement imho.

I'm not bagging out your overall statement, I'm not asking you to put up a sacked list in just saying listing all of our young players and saying they are on schedule is a fallacy.

nah you're being pedantic.  You know exactly what I intended and are playing politician.  Argue a point that wasn't being made.  I divided the list into the two groups and said prioritising the second layer if you want to be pedantic, not focusing on the second.

Hence why ainsworth was recruited and we also brought in the other more mature players.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: List Building - More than one way to skin a cat
Last post by Baggers -
Many seem to be hung up on the height (or lack there of) of our fwd line.
Brisbane Premiership Fwd Line
Charlie Cameron   180cm   Ty Gallop   194cm   Callum Ah Chee 182cm   average height = 186.5cm
Cameron Rayner   187cm   Logan Morris   191cm   Kai Lohmann   185cm      

2026 Potential Fwd Line                     
Hayward   186cm   McKay 204cm   Moir 188cm   average height =190.2cm
Evans 182cm   O'Keeffe   202cm Ainsworth   179cm
Then there is:
Jesse Motlop   180cm               
Talor Byrne 174cm               
Zac Williams 183cm               
Brodie Kemp 192cm      

I see no issue, just saying.         

Exactamundo, GTC old son. The Brisvegas forward line says 'mobility and multiple goal kicking options.'

If you're a traditional 'tall' key position forward in the modern game, you better have more tricks than just your height.

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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: List Building - More than one way to skin a cat
Last post by kruddler -


The heading was...
Developing Kids who are playing ahead or on schedule:
I don't know of anyone, besides maybe thry, who thinks they are 'on schedule'. This is not me vs the club thing, i understand its a free hit. I'm just being honest. I think they're a bust.

Forget who is saying this, and look at the simple facts.
The club has to delist at least 3 players. Will it be all older players who leave? Usually some younger players will get booted as well.
Is it unfathomable that there would be a handful asked to move on?
Binns, Lemmey, White, Elijah, Durdin all left or got pushed this year. There's 5.

If you wanted to include irish rookies next year, you only need 3 more.
Billy Wilson, Flynn Young, Charleson, 2x Campos......could all be on the chopping block if there is no development from them this year.

This is just the reality of AFL lists and list sizes

after all I posted thats what you took away? 


Fixed it for you. Happy now? Its still the same delineation, and we will cut from the afl group as well as the none ready group moving forward but there is one important distinction between the two groups.  Players leaving the first group were afl ready but not good enough.  Players being axed from the second group will be because they arent going to get there with us.


No one expects the Irish to make it, but technically they're key position sized.


I don't know what you want me to say?
You broke down the list into 2 groups by age. You suggesting the young group is the direction that the list management team is focusing on and that we will be ok with this direction based on those players.
That's an opinion.
My opinion is that your opinion would have made a better point without shoehorning people in to back up that point.

Yes both older people and younger people will be cut. My point about that was you can't say how good the young group is when some of them will be cut next year. Same point as above, shoehorning people in hurts your statement imho.

I'm not bagging out your overall statement, I'm not asking you to put up a sacked list in just saying listing all of our young players and saying they are on schedule is a fallacy.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: List Building - More than one way to skin a cat
Last post by Gointocarlton -
Many seem to be hung up on the height (or lack there of) of our fwd line.
Brisbane Premiership Fwd Line
Charlie Cameron   180cm   Ty Gallop   194cm   Callum Ah Chee 182cm   average height = 186.5cm
Cameron Rayner   187cm   Logan Morris   191cm   Kai Lohmann   185cm      

2026 Potential Fwd Line                     
Hayward   186cm   McKay 204cm   Moir 188cm   average height =190.2cm
Evans 182cm   O'Keeffe   202cm Ainsworth   179cm
Then there is:
Jesse Motlop   180cm               
Talor Byrne 174cm               
Zac Williams 183cm               
Brodie Kemp 192cm      

I see no issue, just saying.