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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Last post by shawny -I’m going to give a view.
It’s a personal point of view, sometimes with sweeping generalisations. It’s also not based on statistical evidence but more on trends and observations. It’s based on one state and not necessarily transferable to situations in other states. In short, it’s a limited, “ignorant” view.
I spent forty years in the juvenile justice system. There are some things that were constants:
First Australians have always been overrepresented in the system.
White Australians from low socio‑economic backgrounds have always been overrepresented in the system.
The prison population often reflects significant changes in terms of new arrivals from specific regions — especially war‑torn areas.
Changes in governments may increase or decrease the prison population, but do they have a dramatic effect on the crime rate? If we “lock them up,” there will always be someone ready to step up and fill the void.
It seems to me that the elephant in the room — the thing we’re not really saying out loud — is the influx of East Africans in Victoria and some of the more violent attacks (machetes, etc.). Please correct me if I’m wrong; I’m observing this from a distance.
I’m sure I’ve written something like this before, and there may be some variation as the memory fades.
Over the years, there have been significant changes to the ethnic backgrounds of the kids I observed in correction.
When I first started, the group was mainly as I mentioned above: Aboriginal kids and those from poor economic backgrounds — and there was a large overlap. It was a welfare issue as much as a criminal issue. If kids lacked family support, it was considered that the best place for them was an institution. “Neglect” was actually a charge that a child could be locked up for — not the parent, the child.
The group I had at the time (late seventies) were mostly Western Sydney kids — Mt Druitt, St Marys. You didn’t get many from Vaucluse. There was also a group of Eastern Europeans, but at that stage they were not significant compared to the others.
The early 1980s saw an increase in the number of Vietnamese kids. While significant at the time, it wasn’t a long‑lasting trend.
In the late 1990s and early 2000s, we saw an increase in kids from the former Yugoslavia as ethnic violence there forced many families to flee the region.
From 2000 until the time I finished, there was a dramatic increase in our Middle Eastern population. Another group that seemed to increase was the Pacific Islander group. (That last group doesn’t fit my narrative, but I’ll add it before I make the point.)
The point is that these increases in the general population — and in prison populations — almost always occurred alongside significant breakdowns or violent wars in their countries of origin. Death and violence were often everyday occurrences. Some of these kids and their families saw things we would never wish to see.
If I walked into the same institutions today, I’d probably see a significant increase in the East African population — yet during my forty years I can only remember one. (He was a bit of a character, and they had no idea of his birthday. I reckon I was still teaching him well into his twenties.)
The thing is that, over time, these issues regarding the ethnicity of prison populations tend to follow the same patterns as society in general, and they usually resolve — sometimes being replaced by the arrival of a new group of troubled settlers.
Political parties will talk tough on law and order. I remember that a change of government (of whichever persuasion) meant the institutions would fill up overnight or empty out. It usually only took a month or two for things to stabilise and return to normal.
Don’t take much notice of any group who tells you they will be tough on crime. The possible solution — and it’s by no means an easy one — starts long before the criminal acts occur.
I don't disagree with this Lods as you make a lot of valid points and i agree the changes need to be made long before the crime is committed yet that does not change the fact that we have soft and very lenient bail laws which when coupled with light sentencing is a major reason we have so many repeat offenders. As a law-abiding citizen that has always done the right thing, follow the laws of the land, paid taxes etc this is the biggest cross against any government and i don't care who is in charge. We are one of the highest taxed countries on earth - the very least those elected to spend it could do is to make the place as safe as it can be and the above 2 issues with bail and sentencing fly in the face of that and for that alone i can't excuse it regardless of all the other factors at play.
There is nothing worse then reading about a serious crime on a random innocent person and then hearing the arrested scumbag is released on bail or receives a weak sentence, the current party has had long enough to implement change and continue to do SFA.
You can't keep re-electing them simply as you think the new team 'may' be same.
A while many like to block their ears and cover their eyes to the 10s of billions 'lost' through the big builds on bikies hookers and cocaine would have really helped in the costs to keep violent criminal off the street for longer.
This is the frustration of hard working tax paying Victorians - we give them truck loads of our hard earned and they blow it and then have f-all to spend on the real issues like crime, roads, hospitals etc.
Rant over off to garden!
