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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 13 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon
Last post by ElwoodBlues1 -
Don't think any supporters pro Voss or anti Voss buy the idea that he genuinely resigned.
It was a negotiated exit and another Carlton sacking designed for less mess than usual to generate better optics for the outside world.
The players let Voss down, there is no magic in Frasers board of magnets or messaging Imho. The same players Voss defended all season were the same ones who didn't produce for him when it mattered and when it's your top players it's only going to end one way.
Why are they playing better now? maybe extend their careers, save their careers, push their asking price up for other clubs or fear the newbie enthusiastic kids will expose their lack of effort?
Wright, Priestley and Davies wouldnt be my idea of a supportive senior management. I was and am no fan of Voss the coach but he should have been let go last season in a clean manner and not made to be part of and suffer the treacherous masquerade and waste of time that went on this season.

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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 13 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon
Last post by Lods -
The club aren't accountable.
There is no mechanism for accountablity.

As each week goes by the Voss resignation disappears into the rear view window.
Do we really think people are up in arms?
Have a look at the 'angry' crowds at the games.
They are loving it.
We spend an inordinate amount of time on this site discussing all aspects of the club.
We're actually atypical supporters and not the general run of the mill fan.
We observe, discuss, analyze and debate and even then we hardly ever all agree.
What most Carlton supporters will see and not go too far past is... we are now winning games whereas early in the year we were not.
They may like Voss and feel a bit sorry he wasn't allowed to continue, but they won't feel it to the same extent as hard core Voss supporters.

While there may be some discontent it will diminish rather quickly because other events will overtake them...new coach, new list manager, new players, new season.
Supporters may give a nod to comments regarding Voss by players but they won't fully appreciate them.
The rage just won't "be maintained", especially if results continue to be positive.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 13 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon
Last post by LP -
Quote from: DJC – on

The best way to do that may be for the club to give Vossy the credit that's due and move on.  Of course, that could draw more attention to the club's amateurish handling of Vossy's resignation.
They can't avoid the controversy now, they backed themself into a corner, either way rocks are being gathered up with any trivial excuse to throw them.

What the club needs to think about is not so much time trying to explain and justify the past, the more they try to justify decisions the stupider they look.

It needs to focus on the future and how to move forward without shooting itself in the foot again!

Too many fans think giving credit where it is due is some sort of first step in back peddling, that's just a foolish assumption they make. There is no going back, but you have to learn from mistakes to go forward, and the first step is learning not denial.

Of course, things can work the other way as well, for example exonerating some for the mistakes of the past simply because they are past favourites, that can be a mistake too, a mistake we currently see being made at CheatsFC.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 13 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon
Last post by DJC -
Quote from: kruddler – on
Its almost like the coaching/playing group are standing as one in voicing their opinion that perhaps he was hard done by.
Maybe the powers that be at the club should start to take note of this.
Puts the incoming coach in a poor position from day 1. Similar to Malthouse after Ratten.

Particularly if it's an out of work former coach and there's a taint of collusion.

A transition to Josh Fraser would most likely be seamless ... but that is unlikely at this stage,  An assistant coach from another club, Adrian Hickmott for example, would probably be accepted wih open arms.

While Champion Data's analysis confirms that Fraser and the players are correct in acknowledging Vossy's role in laying the foundations for our winning streak, the ongoing voicing of that acknowledgement could become a distraction.  Perhaps it is time to rule a line under the Voss era. The best way to do that may be for the club to give Vossy the credit that's due and move on.  Of course, that could draw more attention to the club's amateurish handling of Vossy's resignation.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 13 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon
Last post by shawny -
Quote from: DJC – on
Interesting that Jagga Smith still felt the need to credit Vossy for win in his post match interview.

I wonder if the club will put a stop to that.

There will be just as mamy within that wont be as glowing on voss its just they arent able to say it.

I remember players saying after malthouse was sacked he was their best coach yet most think he only came to us for his retirement dollars.

Players thoughts on past coaches are only ever mentioned when there positive so impossible to get a accurate read.

Thats why i go off the scoreboard
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 13 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon
Last post by LP -
Quote from: DJC – on
Interesting that Jagga Smith still felt the need to credit Vossy for win in his post match interview.

I wonder if the club will put a stop to that.
When clubs try to rewrite history is usually when they fall off the shelf.

They need to control the narrative, but in the process they must not ostracise the talent. The smart thing to do is for the club to shut down the ridiculous media and fan commentary by recognising the Voss contribution. Otherwise it will end up with egg on it's face yet again, and further disgruntled players wanting to move! ;)

As a club to make genuine progress we must stop the rinse and repeat, and further to that we must stop acting like Cortés and burning our ships every time we make change. Why can't we have a Carlton that has good will with those who have contributed in the past?

On Fraser's comments, I had wondered if he really doesn't want to the job, because tactically his comments about Voss basically put him at loggerheads with the club Admin.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 13 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon
Last post by kruddler -
Quote from: DJC – on
Interesting that Jagga Smith still felt the need to credit Vossy for win in his post match interview.

I wonder if the club will put a stop to that.

I made a comment about that earlier.

Josh Fraser has also done it himself.
....there have been others.

Its almost like the coaching/playing group are standing as one in voicing their opinion that perhaps he was hard done by.
Maybe the powers that be at the club should start to take note of this.
Puts the incoming coach in a poor position from day 1. Similar to Malthouse after Ratten.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 13 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon
Last post by Blue Moon -
I may have gone a bit early with my call to sack Josh Fraser, but I did call for Voss to be sacked the day he was appointed so it is always good to get ahead of theses things.
For the first quarter and a half it was back to the good old Carlton we have come to love in frustration, but I thought half way through the term we started to turn it around with regards to endeavor. I am not sure we were fully turned on at the start of the game and we seemed to be happy with our performance last week against Geelong and we seemed to play like we were thinking about the bye. Ainsworth, Hayward and Florent have all added to our leadership depth on the ground spreading the load. We had six young guys, in Wilson, Dean, Smith, Cowan, Ison and Byrne, and three others with little AFL experience in Evans, Young and Derksen, but the other 14 players should now all be hardened professionals and play like it. I am looking forward to when we have HOF playing with Dean and Weitering in defence along with Wilson and Cowan.
Finally, could some one please explain Walsh that when you are in front with about a minute to go in the match and you have the ball in your hand, then you hang onto the ball.