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Re: Why So Different??

Reply #75 –
Quote from: cookie2 – on
Suffice to say, I'm really looking forward to seeing the game this week!  :)

So am I and that's a big difference to earlier in the season.

....but just a word of caution.

I think we still have a fair bit to learn about this playing group.
The change of coach and a change in the style of play has given us the opportunity to see them operate under different situations. Some we thought may have been struggling to retain a place on the list may blossom.

But we also probably need to consider the fact that somewhere in the remainder of the season we're may suffer a setback or two.

The type of intensity we bought to the Port game was great but can we sustain it?
Will the style of football we play hold up against sides like the Hawks and Freo?

If one or two of these teams do get hold of us it may be a bit of a shock to the system.
Many of us have conditioned ourselves to the belief that the dark days are behind us.

We need to treat a poor result as a bit of a reality check and not get too carried away by those results.

As long as the general trend is an improved effort and performance then we're on the right track.

Re: Why So Different??

Reply #76 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
You guys are one trick ponies.  You got it wrong, is a far cry from thinking things through and analysing anything.

I'll give you a clue.

Chris Judd had no issues giving his all.

Why does anyone else? Why is he different?

Forget Malthouse,  this isn't about him.  Or you can pretend it is and that we didn't let a 29 point lead slip to a 3 point lead and you can also ignore that our first 6 goals were scores from port Adelaide's errors. 

Now the game plan is a factor and currently going flat stick seems to be the way to play.  Port are showing that unless you are super fit this won't always work.

What if they reduce rotations further? Will it be more open? Or more contested?

Think about it.  I'm pleased and worried about a difference in commitment.   it's encouraging to see, but worrying that it can return as soon as the emotional highs start to peeter out.

Agree with Thry. We need to have a look at the ladder and remind ourselves that we are really bad. To put it down to a single factor, in the context of a footy club with so many variables, is naive at best. Gameplans are overrated, and nor are players automatons. They are supposed to be professional footballers, so I find it doubful that a few kind or mean words from the head coach could so significantly influence performance without a lot of other factors in play.

I enjoyed the win alot. But we beat 10th place, and a team that is travelling badly to boot, at home, by 4 points, with frankly the rub of the green with umpiring and a bit of luck.

Malthouse clearly was not getting the best out the players, and his departure has been welcomed. There are a great many things that need to be addressed though, on top of a head coach replacement. Specifically, a 'take the game on' style of constant run and carry will not work and must be matched by team defence and tempo control. Flat out attack is easily defended against as PA are learning this year. So we can enjoy a bit of respite now, and watching some spring return is a good thing. But the club has a massive amount of work to do and should be under no illusions about the need for improvement in all areas.

I might add that the best coaches get their teams into a position where the coach no longer matters. Clarkson doesn't have to do much anymore on matchday, as he has half a team of captains out there. Likewise Geelong at their recent peak, and Brisbane in the early 2000s. Carlton right now have a lack of steel that defaults to players not being able to set their own direction very well. Its something to work on, and build, but it has more to do with the character and quality of players than whoever is coaching.

Lots of moving parts indeed.

Re: Why So Different??

Reply #77 –
Quote from: Lods – on
So am I and that's a big difference to earlier in the season.

....but just a word of caution.

I think we still have a fair bit to learn about this playing group.
The change of coach and a change in the style of play has given us the opportunity to see them operate under different situations. Some we thought may have been struggling to retain a place on the list may blossom.

But we also probably need to consider the fact that somewhere in the remainder of the season we're may suffer a setback or two.

The type of intensity we bought to the Port game was great but can we sustain it?
Will the style of football we play hold up against sides like the Hawks and Freo?

If one or two of these teams do get hold of us it may be a bit of a shock to the system.
Many of us have conditioned ourselves to the belief that the dark days are behind us.

We need to treat a poor result as a bit of a reality check and not get too carried away by those results.

As long as the general trend is an improved effort and performance then we're on the right track.

For sure Lods, but I'm now a lot more confidentvthat we will go out and give it our best. OK there are better teams than us but all we can ask atm is that we take the game up to them.
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: Why So Different??

Reply #78 –
I have maintained for some time that we have a middle six list that was dragged down to the bottom six by an outdated coach with an outdated approach to the game, fitness and coaching generally.

If I'm right, we should win at least a third of our remaining games.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

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Reply #79 –
We are not flat out attacking, not sure where this myth has come from. We are defending stoutly, tackling with intent and when we win the ball we run harder than we ever have before and try to move the ball through the middle. Yes we attack but we attack when the time is right and with purpose. Of course it's easy for one to be fooled into thinking we are flat out attacking when the previous coach had no fluent method of attack to his gameplan. Some have been 'conditioned' into thinking this is the norm over the last two and a bit years. ;)
Ignorance is bliss.

ONWARDS AND UPWARDS!

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Reply #80 –
Quote from: laj – on
Time to grow a pair and actually admit you were wrong. People have problems with fragile egos. More important to be "right" than actually be right. You're right up there with MBB and Kruds on that one.

Those in glass houses jimbo....

Care to explain why you lied about your alter ego? Or why an alter ego was required??

All of this talk about being 'right' coming from you of all people.

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Reply #81 –
Quote from: PassIt2Carrots – on
Thry, trust me when I say your feelings are all too transparent. Just let it go. You were wrong and all we are getting from you is your defence mechanism. The only people that aren't happy with the last few weeks are those who wanted Malthouse to stay (surprise surprise). Have not seen you celebrate our win on Saturday at all. Speaks volumes.

I've actually moved on Carrots.

I learned from the Malthouse experience not to demonise the previous coach (Ratten) the way I did, and to read between the lines a bit more.

You guys have celebrated this pretty hard but there is a long road ahead, and yes it's good to win and see some fight, I am a Carlton supporter who is not placated by a relatively small win in the grand scheme of things hence little celebration but if you dig deeper you'll see that I have been relatively absent in comparison to my usual activities on here.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: Why So Different??

Reply #82 –
For me personally, I'm just celebrating the feeling of having my club back. I still understand there's a long way to go but the tide has turned. We are already on the way back up.
Ignorance is bliss.

ONWARDS AND UPWARDS!

Re: Why So Different??

Reply #83 –
Sure let's hope we are, and we don't slip into apathy mode again.

I'm glad we have picked a direction rather than what had been happening this year.

"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

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Reply #84 –
Quote from: PassIt2Carrots – on
For me personally, I'm just celebrating the feeling of having my club back. I still understand there's a long way to go but the tide has turned. We are already on the way back up.

Everyone seems to suggest this, but not sure everyone actually believes it.

I hope i'm wrong, but i think we are a long long way off some success.

Re: Why So Different??

Reply #85 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Everyone seems to suggest this, but not sure everyone actually believes it.

I hope i'm wrong, but i think we are a long long way off some success.

As I have said previously, I don't think we're as bad as we were led to believe.  However, we are still a long way off a top four spot . . . even if we are a lot closer than we were four weeks ago.

We actually have a foundation upon which to build a competitive footy side.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: Why So Different??

Reply #86 –
A couple of things we need to see before we can determine whether any improvement is genuine and sustainable or whether it's just a 'rebound' effect.

The first we can accomplish this week. A good win over a struggling club.
We're on a high and an unexpected loss would be pretty deflating.

The second will be the real test.
We need to challenge sides like Fremantle and Hawthorn.
While wins may be out of reach we need to display an attitude and effort that doesn't see us blown away.

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Reply #87 –
Quote from: Lods – on

The second will be the real test.
We need to challenge sides like Fremantle and Hawthorn.
While wins may be out of reach we need to display an attitude and effort that doesn't see us blown away.

Sydney blew us away yet the effort was there. What result is acceptable?

Re: Why So Different??

Reply #88 –
Quote from: ItsOurTime – on
Sydney blew us away yet the effort was there. What result is acceptable?

Gibbs, Murphy and Judd didn't play the Sydney game.
Judd's  gone now but Kreuzer being back in the side seems to have made a difference.
Others have settled and are playing better.

I'd be happy if we could get within 3or 4 goals of those sides.
I'd be disappointed in a 10 goal loss.
 

Re: Why So Different??

Reply #89 –
There is a little bit of blind hope going on here. A win was most enjoyable, and a rare thing, but lets not get ahead of ourselves.

The club has only really cleared the decks these past months and started to think about building and setting direction. Of course we are on the way up. Couldn't get much lower.

With the state of our list, and our best player retiring we are in poor shape. At least 2 years away from finals for mine, and that is with good decisions being made at the draft and a good head of coaching appointed.