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Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #120 –
St Kilda may be the hardest team to play against and we do have Saad and Docherty out. I think yesterday we would have beat most teams but not the likes of Collingwood. Who play the sling shot game better than anyone.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #121 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Its not about possession numbers, we blew StK out of the water in that regard, it was the poor quality of last kick into the fwd 50 that killed us....again.

Agree to a large extent.  We seemed to be breaking down and turning it over as we tried to enter our fwd third of the ground, especially F50. We need to drastically improve here and could urgently use a couple of more skilled link players going forward into F50. Not showing through at the moment unfortunately.
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #122 –
With our driving forces off half-back missing, our strategy relied on two aspects,
A) winning the mid-field battles.
B) efficiency and variation in the forward half.

We got Part A right in the first half but not Part B. (We actually haven't all season. It's a dog's breakfast that relies too much on two players.)

When they evened up the midfield after half-time it was game over.
We have elite tall forwards. We have a very mediocre support forward group.

Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #123 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
St Kilda may be the hardest team to play against and we do have Saad and Docherty out. I think yesterday we would have beat most teams but not the likes of Collingwood. Who play the sling shot game better than anyone.

Saad and Doc could well have made a big difference.
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #124 –
Quote from: Lods – on
With our driving forces off half-back missing, our strategy relied on two aspects,
A) winning the mid-field battles.
B) efficiency and variation in the forward half.

We got Part A right in the first half but not Part B. (We actually haven't all season. It's a dog's breakfast that relies too much on two players.)

When they evened up the midfield after half-time it was game over.
We have elite tall forwards. We have a very mediocre support forward group.

Spot on.

Punters expect silver service to forwards as a standard - but thats never going to happen when they are under constant pressure and running at full speed. You do expect small forwards to be at the fall of the ball we have three of them and they lack craft. We won't win many games if we just depend on Charlie and Harry while small forwards kick one goal per game between three of them its almost like we only have 15 payers on the ground.

Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #125 –
I disagree with the small forwards. They have the hardest job on the field. No one kicks the ball to them and they have to run around chasing with little to no chance of catching anyone just to put pressure on.

Harry wasn't giving many crumbs yesterday, he was marking everything then stuffing it up. Why does he even bother leading to his right? He doesn't even want the kick.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #126 –
Not sure what you guys were worried about.  I actually thought we did better than I expected given the form lines of both teams.

I said Membrey would kick 4 which is halfway to a winning score for Ross lyons team (was the final amount of goals we needed to go from loss to win, with Membrey having a wayward day at the office).

Our biggest issue is still ourselves.  Our game plan seems a bit tricky for me to understand off the field. 

If Voss can survive this season, we will likely turn the corner and start putting it together next season.

"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #127 –
Most of us including myself keep saying how we are underperforming and how frustrating it is but the time has come to face facts and admit this collection of footballers are what they are which is a middle of the road team. This list dynamics do make it easy to overrate them because our handful of top end talent when the game is on their terms can make us look unstoppable, however our oppositions have worked us out and we are being shown up as one trick ponies that when things are not on our terms this list doesn't have the ability to get the job done and this has been proven time and time and time again.

The list appears mentally weak and has little to no footy IQ and a below standard group of ball use ability across the board. The reality is we have very few and I'm talking a handful at best of consistently good users by foot and that is not enough to be a real contender.

We may still even sneak into the finals but we are not a real contender and need major changes again to get a more even spread of talent to go to the next level.

Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #128 –
Not a great game to go to.  Our daughter looked up from her ipad occassionlly when we said "look ,flashing blue lights" after we kicked a goal.  She's only 7, but don't think footy is for her.  She had the best afternoon of the four of us.

I think someone said that we outlplayed St Kilda and I kind of agree - it is our wastefulness that hurts.  What I observed:
 - A lot of kicks coming out of the backline aren't to the next players advantage when they are in space - they have to prop and go back, sideways to get the footy to then go forward again, which ruins some momentum
 - When we try to play on quickly, it is almost like they don't care about what happens to their disposal.  There were some horrific turnovers from just blindly playing on
 - a lot of our dinky kicks put pressure on the receiver, as they are slow and have air.
 - There were at least 2 times where we had the ball and ran into our own players, as well as several other times where it seemed we weren't talking to each other.  This is basic U10s.
 - Young in the ruck isn't the answer (not sure what the question was)
 - Harry kicked a goal with a nice drop punt.  Don't get why he didn't do that with the one when he was going for his 7 point play.
 - Cripps needs to work on his run up with set shots.  It is uneven and doesn't know where he is going to kick it from.
 - JSOS say no more.  Inexcusable from 20 out.
 - where are the little fellas?
 - need to work out what type of player the sub should be.  We talk about impact - LOB isn't that.  He did get 5 for the quarter, which is a good game (averaging it out), but isn't damaging in that time.  Should it be the flashy?  Don't know when it is going to work.

Finally, we don't run out games because we waste so much energy trying to get a goal.  Everyone is coming forward and then we stuff the kick into the forward line, we don't have presence on the ground, the ball is gone and we have to run hard to get back, which is not our strong point.  Not the fitness coach's problem.

I think it was in the first quarter, we had the ball and running forward and you could see the pace of the Saints player bearing down from a long way away (might have been Hill).  Didn't get there, but put some good pressure on us.





Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #129 –
I may be the only one on here who takes solace from the fact that in this round, last year's Grand Finalists lost by nearly 100 points. At least we gave a yelp and fought it out.....

Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #130 –
Surely we could hire out Marvel for a short goal kicking training session?
MCG for that matter too?
2025... Moir of the same to come
 

Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #131 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
It was poor all over the ground. Our poor efficiency has been masked by the 20 metre backward kicks.

Have a look on the AFL app at the possession heat map and that sums up the day.

I suspect that possession heat map is only available as part of some paid subscription or plan. It's not on my free AFL app.

Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #132 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
I suspect that possession heat map is only available as part of some paid subscription or plan. It's not on my free AFL app.

I don't pay for anything. I think telstra customers get more stats but I'm with Optus and I see the map.


2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #133 –
Click on our game.

Then you will see
Summary Players Teams Tracker.

Click on Teams then scroll down to possessions.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #134 –
Good thing it was a warm day, otherwise the forwards would have got cold!