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Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS

Reply #15 –
Quote from: pinot – on
Some of our key players were rubbish today

Only some ??

We had so many onlookers it wasn't funny.

Where was the desperation, where was the pressure on the ball carrier and more importantly, where was the man on man defence ??

Good teams don't lose when they get to over 6-goals up, they also don't get to be 6-goals down after that either.

We have been terrific for most of the season but tonight's half-hearted effort should not be tolerated or get sugarcoated over, this was as limp as I've seen for some years. 
"The Other Teams Can Rot In Hell"

Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS

Reply #16 –
Well that's exactly what you get when you get ahead of yourselves and egos reign supreme. Inflated egos, once challenged, fold... and equates to poor work rate = someone else will do it. Heard a few tones of arrogance in Weiters words coupla weeks back when interviewed by Whately. Not good from a leader.

About fourteen goals to two in the middle of the game. Pathetic. Embarrassing. Once hunted, we sh*t the bed.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS

Reply #17 –
I'm not surprised by the result at all. Giants were due to find form sooner or later. Bummer that it wasn't later.

They have a man mountain ruckman and a side stacked with talent, youth, and lighting speed.

We've come off a hard yet successful run. That probably showed a bit with our flat patches. Most pleasingly, we showed perseverance. Despite being so convincingly beaten across the ground.

Probably an inevitable loss. There is lots to learn from the game, including how we pace ourselves across a long season. Our early long injury list likely taking it's toll as it messes with selection, rotation, and added burden on the fit players.

Sometimes it's the little things that tip the balance. Like the travel, travel disruptions, and selection changes. FWIW I would have Cotters return via 2's, but I'm not in the know. Credit to Giants. They have some super youngsters on the rise (some of whom would look superb in navy 😉)

Rest and recover. Ready for the next challenge. Avoid complacency. Stay present and strike hard when the opportunity arises.

Go Blues
Coming together is the beginning.
Keeping together is progress.
Working together is success.
Henry Ford.

Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS

Reply #18 –
I want to point something out.

Last time we played gws we had Lewis Young, and pittonet in, carroll was the sub, durdin was in as was hewett.

Cerra, cincotta, saad and gov were all out. 

We had a lot of players well down on their output which is why this happened and it wasn't all bad news. 

It's just not good enough to look down the stats sheet and see so many of our key players so down on output.  Maybe we attempted to slide the magnets around to lessen our single points of failure but we may have highlighted them instead.

Next week needs to be a big improvement.   I think we might want to rethink the risk reward of this one ruck vs two ruck business.  It isn't a zero sum equation where one ruck vs two definitely means less run, depends on what we do with the rest but it is a lot more limiting when we can't change up rucks or change match ups down back. 



"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS

Reply #19 –
Briggs 40 hitouts to TDK 19.....TDK 11 Clearances to Briggs 10....given TDK's role in making us a winning team thats a win for GWS.
Cripps with 33 possies did his job, problem was Tom Green had 33 for GWS so it evens out again when we needed a clear win but the other GWS mids had better games than ours ie Ward, Cogs, Daniels all having around 30 possies. Hewett would have been handy on Ward.
Walsh with 22 possies after being tagged was a win for GWS also...
Tackles inside 50....GWS 26- Carlton 4.......so not much pressure from our blokes to create goals or prevent them running the ball out.
Centre Clearances were equal and Stoppages just in our favour but given this is our one wood territory I reckon GWS would take those stats and call it a win for them..
They won the contested possessions by 17 and thumped us in the uncontested possessions...
Our average marks per game is around 90 we had 57, they average around 90 too and had 92...
Overall just outworked, out run and our key players were either held to breaking even or beaten, probably did well to keep the game to a 2 goal loss...

Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS

Reply #20 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Briggs 40 hitouts to TDK 19.....TDK 11 Clearances to Briggs 10....given TDK's role in making us a winning team thats a win for GWS.
Cripps with 33 possies did his job, problem was Tom Green had 33 for GWS so it evens again when we needed a clear win
Walsh with 22 possies afetr being tagged was a win for GWS also...
Tackles inside 50....GWS 26- Carlton 4.......so not much pressure from our blokes to create goals or prevent them running the ball out.
Centre Clearances were equal and Stoppages just in our favour but given this is our one wood territory I reckon GWS would take those stats and call it a win for them..
They won the contested possessions by 17 and thumped us in the uncontested possessions...
Our average marks per game is around 90 we had 57, they average around 90 too and had 92...
Overall just outworked, out run and our key players were either held or beaten, probably did well to keep the game to a 2 goal loss...

We didn't turn up to play hard footy tonight. We took the bruise-free option. Looked good when it was on our terms but had no willingness to work when it wasn't. Suppose there's a reason no side goes through undefeated. They all chuck in crap ones. Swans even managed to lose to Richmond this year.

When we lost in 1995 we lost worse than that.

Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS

Reply #21 –
Clearances were even. Its the lack of pressure in the coal face and around the contest. In terms of "contest and pressure" we were third rate today I rerckon North would have beaten us and need to make a statement next week.

All our three vice captains played garbage or hardly played..... Weits, Walsh and Curnow were super garbage imo - we won\t see that twice in a row.

Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS

Reply #22 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
I want to point something out.

Last time we played gws we had Lewis Young, and pittonet in, carroll was the sub, durdin was in as was hewett.

Cerra, cincotta, saad and gov were all out. 

We had a lot of players well down on their output which is why this happened and it wasn't all bad news. 

It's just not good enough to look down the stats sheet and see so many of our key players so down on output.  Maybe we attempted to slide the magnets around to lessen our single points of failure but we may have highlighted them instead.

Next week needs to be a big improvement.   I think we might want to rethink the risk reward of this one ruck vs two ruck business.  It isn't a zero sum equation where one ruck vs two definitely means less run, depends on what we do with the rest but it is a lot more limiting when we can't change up rucks or change match ups down back. 




Rucks didn't matter. Work rate did. TDK's strength is playing like an extra mid, not so much in the tap dept. We usually pinch the other side's clearances anyway. Just didn't turn up to play any form of hard football. That is our strength. If we played them again next week we'd kicked their arse,

Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS

Reply #23 –
Quote from: laj – on
We didn't turn up to play hard footy tonight. We took the bruise-free option. Looked good when it was on our terms but had no willingness to work when it wasn't. Suppose there's a reason no side goes through undefeated. They all chuck in crap ones. Swans even managed to lose to Richmond this year.

When we lost in 1995 we lost worse than that.
I remember the losses...Swans and Saints...ugly from memory.
Our main task is to finish top two and avoid the Swans at the SCG in the early finals.

Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS

Reply #24 –
Quote from: Baggers – on
Well that's exactly what you get when you get ahead of yourselves and egos reign supreme. Inflated egos, once challenged, fold... and equates to poor work rate = someone else will do it. Heard a few tones of arrogance in Weiters words coupla weeks back when interviewed by Whately. Not good from a leader.

About fourteen goals to two in the middle of the game. Pathetic. Embarrassing. Once hunted, we sh*t the bed.

This is what worries me.
When the Giants cranked up the pressure and were running in waves, there was no resistance.
Panic set in and we crumbled.
Great sides don't do this.
I just wish it meant as much to all players as it does to Crippa. When he kicked that goal against the tide in the 3rd quarter he was angry and vocal trying to fire up the team.
He takes it personally. We need more to have his passion and drive.

Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS

Reply #25 –
Maybe the team is not tuned to play top end footy if its not in front of 80k.. its possible...
 

Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS

Reply #26 –
Quote from: Baggers – on
Well that's exactly what you get when you get ahead of yourselves and egos reign supreme. Inflated egos, once challenged, fold... and equates to poor work rate = someone else will do it. Heard a few tones of arrogance in Weiters words coupla weeks back when interviewed by Whately. Not good from a leader.

About fourteen goals to two in the middle of the game. Pathetic. Embarrassing. Once hunted, we sh*t the bed.

Weird game. Outscored 14 to 3 in the middle then outscored them 13 to 4 in the first and 4th qtrs. and some chance, although a bit unlikely, to pinch it late. We had no interest in playing a hard, tough game of footy tonight. Still, just a 2 goal loss. There's stuff all behind us so that loss may have been a wake up.

Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS

Reply #27 –
Quote from: pertz – on
This is what worries me.
When the Giants cranked up the pressure and were running in waves, there was no resistance.
Panic set in and we crumbled.
Great sides don't do this.
I just wish it meant as much to all players as it does to Crippa. When he kicked that goal against the tide in the 3rd quarter he was angry and vocal trying to fire up the team.
He takes it personally. We need more to have his passion and drive.

Like I said before we have had worse losses than that in premiership years. Not at all worried. Just gave us a clue what we need to do in the future and what we can't get away with. Key is not to repeat it.

Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS

Reply #28 –
And, of course, the silver lining. A Carlton loss tonight very likely chucks the Pies out of the 8.

Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS

Reply #29 –
The game was a higher scoring replica of Friday night's game. Pies smacking them in the first qtr, getting smacked in the middle qtrs playing with no pressure whatsoever, then coming home in the last for the same 2 goal margin.