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Re: AFL Rd 22 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #120 –
Quote from: Shakin77 – on


We are going to get a lot of these rumours.

From a 2nd party was told a busted up between Russell and Voss ended with Russell resigning.

"Essentially Voss pulled rank on a few injury calls with some of their senior players. Russell's response was "if you aren't listening to my advice, my role is pointless."

Full football department review upcoming"

If that was true then Voss should clear out his desk.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 22 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #121 –
Quote from: Shakin77 – on


We are going to get a lot of these rumours.

From a 2nd party was told a busted up between Russell and Voss ended with Russell resigning.

"Essentially Voss pulled rank on a few injury calls with some of their senior players. Russell's response was "if you aren't listening to my advice, my role is pointless."

Full football department review upcoming"


Assuming this is true, this is precisely the moment when you find out if the club leadership is made of the right stuff. The moment when Lloyd, Cook et al sort this out once and for all. The temptation for Voss is understandable : 2nd stint, and probably his last, a supporter base demanding success, club hierarchy and other assorted hangers on possibly demanding the same, an unstable club history that is known to all etc. This is the moment when HQ needs to make it clear that when reality bites, they understand and communicate this clearly to Voss, so he's not tempted to take unnecessary risks.


Re: AFL Rd 22 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #122 –
I just see this has happened for 6 years now, not just this year. More are talking now about the 6 weeks block of increased training load then the resignation.

Like this one and the Voss/Russell one, as Shakin has said, it is all still rumour. I'm sure one of the 2 is right. Just a matter of which one. Bottom line is someone has ##@$@! up big time and may have cost a flag. It cooked us.

Re: AFL Rd 22 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #123 –
Quote from: laj – on
I just see this has happened for 6 years now, not just this year. More are talking now about the 6 weeks block of increased training load then the resignation.

Like this one and the Voss/Russell one, as Shakin has said, it is all still rumour. I'm sure one of the 2 is right. Just a matter of which one. Bottom line is someone has ##@$@! up big time and may have cost a flag. It cooked us.
Think we were cooked when TDK went down injured weeks ago.....lot of talk about injured players but I think Hawthorn are peaking in form and we would have been struggling with them even with a fit team.
The defense is a fail, a complete mess and whether that is a player issue or a tactical one I dont know...

Re: AFL Rd 22 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #124 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Think we were cooked when TDK went down injured weeks ago.....lot of talk about injured players but I think Hawthorn are peaking in form and we would have been struggling with them even with a fit team.
The defense is a fail, a complete mess and whether that is a player issue or a tactical one I dont know...
Wasn't this game so much but we have struggled for a while. Probably done ok to keep every game close and fight it out, bar the Hawthorn game. 4 of the last 5 years we have cooked 5 games out. Each year, without fail, we have had a massive list of injuries. Someone is responsible for that. This year it has cost us a very genuine tilt af a flag. This has upset the masses more than anything as there was genuine hope and have been badly let down.

Re: AFL Rd 22 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #125 –
Quote from: laj – on
I just see this has happened for 6 years now, not just this year. More are talking now about the 6 weeks block of increased training load then the resignation.

Like this one and the Voss/Russell one, as Shakin has said, it is all still rumour. I'm sure one of the 2 is right. Just a matter of which one. Bottom line is someone has ##@$@! up big time and may have cost a flag. It cooked us.

You were fine to nail Russell with just a rumour but it's a different tune when it involves Voss.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 22 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #126 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
You were fine to nail Russell with just a rumour but it's a different tune when it involves Voss.
Agreed, I doubt our fitness is an issue, just doesn't match up with the game day facts, the way we've been finishing from behind suggests plenty of legs and a mindset to not give up despite not getting across the line more than once, it's high performance.

Injury management, that is a different issue, I like Voss as a coach but if he's pulled rank and inserted blokes who aren't ready then those inside the club will know and he can't escape it.

I doubt the rumour is true, it would be professional suicide, nothing I've seen from Voss suggests he is that big of an idiot!

Furthermore Russell is done, there is no reason for him to gild the lily, if we stuck a fork in him he may as well let the world know what happened. His results / record with guys like Cripps, Walsh, Owies, Harry, even TDK speaks for itself. Doc has been rebuilt more than once, McGovern has actually made it on the park.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"
 

Re: AFL Rd 22 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #127 –
Quote from: Shakin77 – on


We are going to get a lot of these rumours.

From a 2nd party was told a busted up between Russell and Voss ended with Russell resigning.

"Essentially Voss pulled rank on a few injury calls with some of their senior players. Russell's response was "if you aren't listening to my advice, my role is pointless."

Full football department review upcoming"

Unlike everyone else.....

I'm assuming you made this up on the spot to prove a point.

Everyone else seems to have picked it up and ran with it. Lets see if it makes the news tonight!

Re: AFL Rd 22 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #128 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Unlike everyone else.....

I'm assuming you made this up on the spot to prove a point.

Everyone else seems to have picked it up and ran with it. Lets see if it makes the news tonight!

Nope.    I didn't make this up.   

Re: AFL Rd 22 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #131 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
....and this didn't come from some random at the bar.

Genuine source?

I don't believe he would make it up.    Has good sources with the mob who smashed us on the weekend.   Russell's former employer.

Re: AFL Rd 22 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #132 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
You were fine to nail Russell with just a rumour but it's a different tune when it involves Voss.
History tells you a story. Those who ignore history a doomed to repeat it. 6 years!  Besides I mention to Shakin that it could be his possibility. Whatever it is it has cooked our season. Someone has to be responsible. Shakin sounds like he has heard more than a rumour so he may be right.

Re: AFL Rd 22 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #133 –
Quote from: Shakin77 – on
I don't believe he would make it up.    Has good sources with the mob who smashed us on the weekend.   Russell's former employer.

OK, well your previous comment about who makes the calls on players i raised also, but i didn't pin that on Voss.
I had that on the medical team as a whole.

Interesting if true.

Re: AFL Rd 22 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #134 –
Quote from: laj – on
History tells you a story. Those who ignore history a doomed to repeat it. 6 years!  Besides I mention to Shakin that it could be his possibility. Whatever it is it has cooked our season. Someone has to be responsible.

Who do you think made the call on Charlie to play on the weekend?

The high performance manager who just quit
The coach
The doctor
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!