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Re: How will we line up in 2025.

Reply #46 –
B: McGovern Weitering Cowan
HB: Newman Kemp Saad
C: Acres Cripps O. Hollands
HF: E. Hollands McKay Moir
F: Williams Curnow Fogarty
R: de Koning Walsh Smith
I: Cerra Hewett Cincotta Docherty S: Binns

Re: How will we line up in 2025.

Reply #47 –
Quote from: Sub-Zero – on
B: McGovern Weitering Cowan
HB: Newman Kemp Saad
C: Acres Cripps O. Hollands
HF: E. Hollands McKay Moir
F: Williams Curnow Fogarty
R: de Koning Walsh Smith
I: Cerra Hewett Cincotta Docherty S: Binns
I love that combo with the exception of Binns. Throw Cottrell or Lord in his place and SOLD.
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Re: How will we line up in 2025.

Reply #48 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Quote from: Sub-Zero – on
B: McGovern Weitering Cowan
HB: Newman Kemp Saad
C: Acres Cripps O. Hollands
HF: E. Hollands McKay Moir
F: Williams Curnow Fogarty
R: de Koning Walsh Smith
I: Cerra Hewett Cincotta Docherty S: Binns
I love that combo with the exception of Binns. Throw Cottrell or Lord in his place and SOLD.
Thanks for the compliment GITC. Binns might rocket up and improve in his third year. On rather limited time in the ones, he's shown he has some nice attributes.
There's a case for the other two, Motlop, Boyd amongst others to be around there, and it's really nice to have good depth.

Re: How will we line up in 2025.

Reply #49 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Interesting that no one rates Jack Silvagni as our 3rd tall forward and most want Kemp in that role. 
I think Jack is a more accomplished forward player and Kemp is more of a break glass type move forward player when you have injuries or need a change to provide a lift. Id also like to see Moir in that 3rd tall role and see what he offers, Im not even sure Kemp will be on the list next year and would see him as trade bait given we gave away our future picks for next seasons ND.
He needs to regain fitness, and displacing Kemp and McGovern won't be an easy task. Him and Mitch are playing for their careers at the club next year imo.
 

Re: How will we line up in 2025.

Reply #50 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Quote from: Lods – on
We actually need to see Kemp as the third tall.
For the three games he played at the end of the year he was the second tall in one, and the number one in two of them with Curnow and McKay both missing games.

He'd be a tough matchup for a third tall defender.

I suspect that Kemp will have more success as a third tall forward than he would if we persevered with him as our second tall defender.  He is quick, agile and a very good mark and that should make him a very tough matchup for most third tall defenders.  Of course, given the way our forward line functions, he will be the second tall forward for significant periods of the game.

Hopefully, after he does have a couple of games as a tall forward, it won't be a case of mugs to the backline.
 
His best position is as a running flanker imo.

Re: How will we line up in 2025.

Reply #51 –
Defence
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Weitering first picked in defence
Top players that lose less than 25% of defensive 1v1 and play on quickly with a kick with high meters gained.
Defensive remainder
Nic Newman
Jordan Boyd
Mitch McGovern

Remainder are defensive players that lose more than 25% of 1v1
Kemp
Cincotta
Cowan

Other than Cincotta, Cowan and Kemp don't provide any rebound

So my standard top six rated defenders
- Weitering
- Newman
-McGovern
- Boyd
-Cincotta

6th spot goes to Saad for his high intercept and ground ball get game

Kemp is my 7th next best in case of injury and form

Midfield
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Players that has a high intercept game in the midfield as thats the best part to win the ball
Players that has a high hard ball get game
Players that has a high ground ball get game
Players that are efficient
Players that tackle and score assist

Best rated

Ground Ball + Hard Ball

- Cripps
- Walsh
- E Hollands
- Cerra
-Acres

6th and 7th highest ranking players Docherty and Lord

Forwards
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Rated players based on pressure acts + expected score

- Williams
- Curnow
- McKay

Players with low X score but high pressure acts

- O Hollands
- Cottrell
- Fogarty

Ruck is TDK

Interchange players is best of the rest in each category
Kemp
Lord
Motlop (very high pressure acts and tackles inside 50)

Not enough stats available for Moir, Binns, Smith and I expect them to make an impact of some sort during the year

Re: How will we line up in 2025.

Reply #52 –
I'm sure Gov, Boyd and Newman would lose a higher percentage of one on ones if they played on the guys Kemp is expected to.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: How will we line up in 2025.

Reply #53 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
I'm sure Gov, Boyd and Newman would lose a higher percentage of one on ones if they played on the guys Kemp is expected to.

Its not what the stats show

Re: How will we line up in 2025.

Reply #54 –
Quote from: pinot – on
Quote from: madbluboy – on
I'm sure Gov, Boyd and Newman would lose a higher percentage of one on ones if they played on the guys Kemp is expected to.

Its not what the stats show

Stats show they have never lost a ruck contest too.
Does that make them the best rucks the game has ever seen? Or does it depend on where they play?

Re: How will we line up in 2025.

Reply #55 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Quote from: pinot – on


Its not what the stats show

Stats show they have never lost a ruck contest too.
Does that make them the best rucks the game has ever seen? Or does it depend on where they play?

You come across too aggressive to continue the conversation with you. I placed best rated players based on stats per position. Take it as you like

Re: How will we line up in 2025.

Reply #56 –
Quote from: pinot – on
Quote from: kruddler – on


Stats show they have never lost a ruck contest too.
Does that make them the best rucks the game has ever seen? Or does it depend on where they play?

You come across too aggressive to continue the conversation with you. I placed best rated players based on stats per position. Take it as you like

I know what you did.
I know what MBB said.
He is right.

Re: How will we line up in 2025.

Reply #57 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Quote from: pinot – on


Its not what the stats show

Stats show they have never lost a ruck contest too.
Does that make them the best rucks the game has ever seen? Or does it depend on where they play?
Just a question here, but have they ever played in the ruck?

Re: How will we line up in 2025.

Reply #58 –
Quote from: Sub-Zero – on
Quote from: kruddler – on


Stats show they have never lost a ruck contest too.
Does that make them the best rucks the game has ever seen? Or does it depend on where they play?
Just a question here, but have they ever played in the ruck?
Fairly sure I saw one of them man up a ruck once…
Let’s go BIG !

Re: How will we line up in 2025.

Reply #59 –
It really doesn't matter how players may have gone last season.  We have two important players in Docherty and Silvagni back from long term injury, a new, if well-aged, intercept defender and at least one new draft pick who will be pushing for senior selection.  We've lost two players who were in our best available 22 all season and another who was always on the fringe of selection.

We also have players being set for different roles from what they played last season. 

In that context, this is how I think things will pan out.  It's not necessarily how I would pick the team but what I think our MC will do.

With Brodie Kemp and Zac Williams being set for roles in our forward line this season, it seems that we can lock them in, together with Harry and Charlie (depending on whether Brodie, Harry and Charlie work together in the match sims).  That leaves three spots for Elijah Hollands, Fogarty, Cottrell, Motlop, Durdin, Binns, Moir and Fantasia.  Lij is virtually a lock for a forward/midfielder role and Fog is so important for our defensive pressure and his work through the midfield.  Cotters’ work linking up with the backline was missed when he went down but he can also play the wing role as good as anyone. 

I think Moir did enough in his cameo appearances and, provided he gets full value from this pre-season, I suspect that he will get a run before Motlop, Durdin, Binns, and Fantasia and we’ll go without a dedicated small forward.

That means we’ll have:

Charlie Curnow – key forward
Harry Mckay – key forward and second ruck (I’m assuming one ruck only)
Brodie Kemp – key forward
Zac Williams – medium/defensive forward
Lachie Fogarty – midfielder/small forward
Elijah Hollands - midfielder/medium forward
Ashton Moir – medium forward

At the other end of the ground, Jack Silvagni is being set for a tall defender role and I think that he’ll be channeling SOS when the season starts.  We didn’t bring Nick Haynes in to play in the Magoos and he’ll be another new face in our backline this season.  The locks are Weitering, Saad and Newman and there’s a lot of competition for the remaining spots with Young, Cowan, Cincotta, Docherty, Boyd, Wilson and McGovern in contention.  Cincotta and Docherty are also in contention for midfield roles and I believe that McGovern won’t be tried as a forward again.

I think that we’ll go with:

Jacob Weitering – key defender
Jack Silvagni – key defender
Nick Haynes – tall defender
Adam Saad – small defender
Nic Newman – medium defender
Jordan Boyd – small defender
Mitch McGovern – tall defender

Blake Acres and Ollie Hollands should own the wings and I think that Cottrell will come off the bench to give them a spell.  I think that Tom De Koning will ruck solo and our folllowers/midfield will be:

Tom De Koning – ruck
Blake Acres – wing
Ollie Hollands – wing
Matt Cottrell – wing
Patrick Cripps – midfield
Sam Walsh – midfield
George Hewett – midfield
Adam Cerra – midfield

One of Sam Docherty and Alex Cincotta could be the sub and Smith will be looking to force his way into the 23.
 
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