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Re: How will we line up in 2025.

Reply #75 –
It'll be intersting to look back at this thread at the end of next year.
I haven't picked a side yet.
I will in the next few days.
We'll see how right we get some of these.
We'll be surprised by some who come from the clouds to be regular fixtures, and be a little disappointed by some who may fade from the side altogether.
Ones who really come on will be the younger brigade.
At the other end of the scale some of the older players may decline a bit more quickly than we expect.

Just some random thoughts before I start the process.
It's a really important year for Binns.
Folks have thought he deserved a go long before he actually was given an opportunity.
He showed glimpses when given a start, but he has to really take hold of his opportunities this year because there will be plenty of competitition for spots he might fill.

Kemp will probably start the year as the third tall forward.
I think he will go OK, if he's persisted with.
He'll probably still be patchy as he adapts to the role.
The advantage he has is his versatility and like Silvagni may be used forward and back.
The disadvantage is the effect that will have on settling into a position.
Jack's big issue will be how he returns from injury.

I'm a big fan of Cottrell...the question mark will be "Is he better than developing options?" and I'm not sure he can stay ahead of some of the youngsters.
I think he may have suffered in the opinions of some by his lacklustre return after injury this year.

Of the older brigade....
Both Saad and Docherty will feature in most folks best sides at the moment
In hindsight Doc should probably not have played this last year...I guess it was a balance between 'ability' and 'inspiration' at the time, and folks thought it might be a good 'team spur' to have him play.
But he was terribly underdone.
At his best he's a walk-up start and key player.
Can he have an injury free year?
You wouldn't put your house on it...and age catches up with the best.

Saad is starting to pick up a few niggly injuries. Mostly they're not major and I think there were probably games where he played through them this year. That probably won't get better as he ages and his strength is that burst of speed. That could decline quickly.

Picking as side at this time of year is a fun exercise but I suspect that any side we pick will have quite a few changes to the side that takes the field on the 27th September 2025 ;)

Re: How will we line up in 2025.

Reply #76 –
We should be hoping for some new faces to come in  because this year's team wasn't good enough.

Moir, Binns, Smith and Haynes will press for selection.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: How will we line up in 2025.

Reply #77 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
We should be hoping for some new faces to come in  because this year's team wasn't good enough.

Moir, Binns, Smith and Haynes will press for selection.

The record will show we weren't good enough in the end.
That won't ever change.
But....
We were beaten in our final by the eventual premier on their home ground.
We were a side decimated by injury and lacked a consistent group of players over the last eight or so rounds.
About 8 weeks out many were pumping us up as flag favourites.

The injuries weren't to fringe players, but key players, and many of those battled for weeks carrying those injuries.
With close to our best team on the feld we would have given most sides, even Brisbane a good run.
At the very least we would have had a higher finishing position.

Not many of our players are on the down slope, and expect improvements from some of the young ones.
With a bit of luck this list really isn't that far off.

Re: How will we line up in 2025.

Reply #78 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
We should be hoping for some new faces to come in  because this year's team wasn't good enough.

Moir, Binns, Smith and Haynes will press for selection.

Logic is correct, but reality could suggest otherwise.

What changes to our 1994 team was so significant that it made our 1995 team dominate?
Clape, Camporeale and Manton??

Were they the difference?
Camporeale replaced Alvin in games/goals from the year before.
Clape and Manton were good without being dominant.

I'd argue that Brad Pearce 2 games 0 goals in 1994 -> 23 games and 52 goals in 1995 was bigger addition than anyone else, and he was already there.
Same with Dean Rice 1 (1) -> 18 (21)

This years TEAM wasn't good enough, just like 1994's team wasn't good enough.
The players from 1994 were basically the same players in 1995......but the team was better.

This is something that is overlooked a lot (specifically by LL types who want to scorch the earth each year) that sometimes you have the right list, you just didn't have the right luck, development, motivation as a team.

This current list is not that far off.
I don't expect to see a whole lot of difference from the blokes coming in compared to the blokes going out.....but i expect the team to be much better (and hopefully a little luckier!) and the result could be very different.

Re: How will we line up in 2025.

Reply #79 –
I considered Pearce and Rice like new additions.

Hopefully Binns and Moir can step up next year.

Ratten was also like a new recruit. Before 95 he was a C grade back pocket.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: How will we line up in 2025.

Reply #80 –
I think a few new faces ie mature recruits who can fix a few holes is important.
Pies were laughed at when they brought in the likes of Frampton, Markov, Hill, Mitchell, Lipinski but it paid dividends with a premiership.
Blake Acres was a low profile recruit as was Nic Newman but how big are they in terms of value to us and Id like to snag a couple like them every trade period.

Re: How will we line up in 2025.

Reply #81 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
Ratten was also like a new recruit. Before 95 he was a C grade back pocket.
Of all the players I do, and mostly don't, remember in their development years, I have strong memories of thinking Brett Ratten was not a standout in any way that I could see - not big/strong/ not very fast etc - looked quite average and I was questioning why he was getting games - oh how wrong I was (and very happy to be wrong).

We need a few to do a Brett Ratten in 2025

Re: How will we line up in 2025.

Reply #82 –
Voss 4th year and list in its peak for next 3-4 years,

Kemp needs to start realising his upside and his game winning abilities.... he was decent at the combine yo-yo so has ok endurance probably not at the upper echelon but is being wasted in defence because he cant break games open in the backline. He was a freak for Bendigo and one for the Brett ratten award only if he is played in a position to showcase his talent.

I'll be very happy with Acres and Kemp patrolling the wings. I will feel more comfortable Jarrod Berry on Kemp on the wing than anyone else

Re: How will we line up in 2025.

Reply #83 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
I think a few new faces ie mature recruits who can fix a few holes is important.
Pies were laughed at when they brought in the likes of Frampton, Markov, Hill, Mitchell, Lipinski but it paid dividends with a premiership.
Blake Acres was a low profile recruit as was Nic Newman but how big are they in terms of value to us and Id like to snag a couple like them every trade period.


No one laughed at Collingwood got hill and lipinski or Mitchell.

They supplemented a team short on certain types and picked some surplus to requirements hole fillers. 

We have done that with Haynes but he doesn't really fill any holes for us which is my only issue.

Markov and frampton were fillers but they were limited known commodities all tall durdin for us. 

I remember calling their recruiting astute and thought they'd do better than everyone else who laughed at them, and was sorry to be proven correct in the worst possible way.

"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: How will we line up in 2025.

Reply #84 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
I think a few new faces ie mature recruits who can fix a few holes is important.
Pies were laughed at when they brought in the likes of Frampton, Markov, Hill, Mitchell, Lipinski but it paid dividends with a premiership.
Blake Acres was a low profile recruit as was Nic Newman but how big are they in terms of value to us and Id like to snag a couple like them every trade period.


No one laughed at Collingwood got hill and lipinski or Mitchell.

They supplemented a team short on certain types and picked some surplus to requirements hole fillers. 

We have done that with Haynes but he doesn't really fill any holes for us which is my only issue.

Markov and frampton were fillers but they were limited known commodities all tall durdin for us. 

I remember calling their recruiting astute and thought they'd do better than everyone else who laughed at them, and was sorry to be proven correct in the worst possible way.


I think most thought they over did the top ups and were crazy thinking they were going to challenge with what they brought in. Frampton played the key role playing on Andrews on the GF but was just a fringe player at the Crows...Markov was good in the finals and gave plenty of run and seemed to be a cult figure of sorts.
Hill was a talent but after his illness a unknown quantity. Mitchell was seen as old , slow and cooked.
Lipinski was probably the only one you could call a likely success Imho.

Re: How will we line up in 2025.

Reply #85 –
Ollie Hollands said that he was told in his exit interview that he will spend more time behind the ball this season.  He wasn’t entirely sure what that would look like but it suggests a greater focus on defensive structures 🤔
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!
 

Re: How will we line up in 2025.

Reply #86 –
I think Moir and Jagga will be our biggest injection into the team. All the others in the lower tier (Motlop etc) will improve, but it's those two aforementioned that will really help the team. We also have the added return of serious long term injured to the team, so added stability and pressure for spots.

Re: How will we line up in 2025.

Reply #87 –
Quote from: spf – on
We also have the added return of serious long term injured to the team, so added stability and pressure for spots.

How Jack and Doc come back, and their durability will be very important.
Both were missed last season.

Re: How will we line up in 2025.

Reply #88 –
Lachie cowan to stamp his credentials next season. He ended 2024 well, but he has a lot more in him.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: How will we line up in 2025.

Reply #89 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Ollie Hollands said that he was told in his exit interview that he will spend more time behind the ball this season.  He wasn’t entirely sure what that would look like but it suggests a greater focus on defensive structures 🤔
Interesting with Docherty coming back into the team and id think probably more likely to play on the wing than resume his old duties at half back where he hasnt really played for a while anyway even when fit. Would this have any bearing on OH playing behind the ball and probably forcing a player like Boyd out of the 22?