AFL Rd 1 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

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Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #120 – March 15, 2025, 01:26:09 pm

We've got a bad habit of dropping games we shouldn't, but it's the way we lost this and the poor standards that really are really concerning a lot of people.

Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #121 – March 15, 2025, 01:56:57 pm

We had lack of effort, poor contesting and players avoiding getting hit thats even before we start talking dodgy skills, we wont win games with that standard of effort.
We have players getting big numbers but doing nothing with those stats apart from filling up the stat sheet and meeting targets for more contract extensions and money. The List Management is woeful and signing players to long term deals who have never produced consistent performances or are injury prone is madness.
You reap what you sow and we have an unbalanced list lacking depth with a poor standard of players at the bottom end of that list and I can now understand why a lot of scribes had us missing the finals because we cant be trusted to turn up and try....watched Hawthorn and Essendon play and it was a game played at a much higher standard of skill and effort.
The lack of accountability for that embarrassing performance has been poor......we had to cancel the membership drive day planned on SEN because of that rubbish performance and to see Voss using the history excuse of close games with Richmond round 1 and smiling was disturbing. 9 goals to 2 in the second half, he said it was too difficult to ask the players their mindset for the game???
You got to be joking coach....Id be asking, demanding and calling out the non negotiables I expect. No more BBQ's at Ed Curnows, we are not running an encounter group and you dont embarrass the club ever.

Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #122 – March 15, 2025, 02:18:56 pm

I've already stated I think we're a mentally weak side.
I think it's our Achilles heel but...
Two reasons why I think we may be seeing an over-reaction to the loss.

1) We haven't had a settled side since the middle of last year when we were sitting second on the ladder.
We're still not settled, with a lot of newbies or players who've only played a few games for the club.
2) We actually have no idea how good Richmond are...it's easy to label them 'woodenspooners' and it may play out exactly that way for them again.
But maybe not.
They may be big improvers.
The corresponding match last year saw us get home by only 5 points...so not a lot of change there other than an 'L'
Let's wait a couple of weeks before we burn the memberships.

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Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #123 – March 15, 2025, 02:31:15 pm

Quote from: Lods – on March 15, 2025, 02:18:56 pm

I've already stated I think we're a mentally weak side.
I think it's our Achilles heel but...
Two reasons why I think we may be seeing an over-reaction to the loss.

1) We haven't had a settled side since the middle of last year when we were sitting second on the ladder.
We're still not settled, with a lot of newbies or players who've only played a few games for the club.
2) We actually have no idea how good Richmond are...it's easy to label them 'woodenspooners' and it may play out exactly that way for them again.
But maybe not.
They may be big improvers.
The corresponding match last year saw us get home by only 5 points...so not a lot of change there other than an 'L'
Let's wait a couple of weeks before we burn the memberships.

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sorry lods but Richmond side squashes any excuses about unsettled teams, lack of idea about how good they'll be and just about any excuse you can make for us bar yet another lack lustre preseason.

They've had half a side of debutants.

I prefer the round 1 anomaly voss trotted out.

You guys want to stay up beat and positive save it for next week.

An honourable loss would be a step up for our mob to how we finished home and away last season.

Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #124 – March 15, 2025, 02:37:31 pm

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I said it before our mental lightweights are likely to write off 4 rounds after this one. Won't respond.

I think most fans are living life with rose coloured glasses on. I was so so about this season based on how we started pre season and I said before the game that we needed to win well to convince me we could do something this season. Halfway through the third I still thought we'd win, but was resigned to that being just enough after being up by 41, and extremely dissapointed to have not won well at that point still thinking we'd turn it around.

In reality the coaches made tactical blunders and missed stuff blind Freddie could see, subbed the incorrect player, and then we lost. That was what was dissapointing. It dot pointed what we've been saying since mid way last year about strange choices.

Agree 100%.   A disaster like this to start the season is too difficult for a mentally soft group like this team to come back .
Mental softness causes the constant inconsistency, there are very few match winners in this group who can turn the tide at crucial times; Motlop needs to go he won't make the grade, as does the whole recruitment department - they are a disgrace and are taking their salaries under false pretences.

This loss was the lowest of the low, and those who are making excuses as to why it could happen are just dreaming.   Too many soft passengers with low footy iq's in this team for us to make top 4, and if youre honest, then it's difficult to see them even finishing top 10.   We've had one of the best nucleus groups in this team for the past 6-7 years but the morons who run the recruiting department keep surrounding them with spuds and duds from other clubs and poor draft choices.   I really feel for Cripps, Weitering etc because their talents are now wasted and their dream (and ours) of being around a competitive finals team are now unlikely to be realised.   Voss has to take a lot of the blame, but the recruiting department have completely decimated what shouldve been a successful rebuild, and now needs another mini build.

The eternal optimists will come up with lots of reasons and excuses....   the era of excuses is over, just like this team.   They just have no idea how to consistently deliver.   This won't change until they start getting rid of these highly paid spuds with low iq's who think they can keep putting in low efforts every week;   and replace the recruitment department with people who have some idea about the game. Lots more I wanted to say, but just thinking too much about this disaster team gives me a headache.

Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #125 – March 15, 2025, 02:39:55 pm

Lods, I hope you are right, but from where I was sitting I saw fumbles, bad handballs, mis-kicks, kicking to the opposition when under pressure and not under pressure, getting in the way of a teammate when going for a mark etc, etc.

The play was of a standard that wouldn't be tolerated by the coach of a Sunday amateur team let alone an AFL club.

The players are well rewarded and it is not unreasonable for us to expect players to deliver a standard of play certainly way above the rubbish we saw on Thursday night.

Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #126 – March 15, 2025, 02:49:46 pm

Quote from: Macca37 – on March 15, 2025, 02:39:55 pm

Lods, I hope you are right, but from where I was sitting I saw fumbles, bad handballs, mis-kicks, kicking to the opposition when under pressure and not under pressure, getting in the way of a teammate when going for a mark etc, etc.

The play was of a standard that wouldn't be tolerated by the coach of a Sunday amateur team let alone an AFL club.

The players are well rewarded and it is not unreasonable for us to expect players to deliver a standard of play certainly way above the rubbish we saw on Thursday night.

But we're better than that.
We saw it in the first half of last season.
The pesonnel haven't changed dramatically since then, injury and interrupted preparation has impacted though.

If we see 4-5 weeks of similar skill levels I'll get on board.
I'll grab my torch and pitchfork and join in.

I'm much more concerned about the mental side of things, the desire , intensity and pressure.
That's what I want to see.

Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #127 – March 15, 2025, 03:15:14 pm

Quote from: Macca37 – on March 15, 2025, 02:39:55 pm

Lods, I hope you are right, but from where I was sitting I saw fumbles, bad handballs, mis-kicks, kicking to the opposition when under pressure and not under pressure, getting in the way of a teammate when going for a mark etc, etc.

The play was of a standard that wouldn't be tolerated by the coach of a Sunday amateur team let alone an AFL club.

The players are well rewarded and it is not unreasonable for us to expect players to deliver a standard of play certainly way above the rubbish we saw on Thursday night.

Totally agree. Have a look at JSOS interview after the game (CFC homepage). He is hurting and Hope he has a crack in the Team meeting. You know our Match Committee wont drop McG and Haynes. They will argue continuity and experience.

Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #128 – March 15, 2025, 03:21:46 pm

It's not worth my mental energy to try and understand that comprehensive, history making dismantling by a rebuilding (Year 1) side.

Instead. I'll make a couple of points that resonate for me.

- we have history of "fading" (per CFC news) when the oppo up the heat
- we have one of the longest droughts of the big clubs
- we have an unenviable W/L ratio in the modern era
- we have history turning over players and staff with minimal on field gains
- we have consistently high injury numbers
- our supporters are both passionate and fed up. Perfect formula for chronic stress and resultant responses. Be it aggressive, submissive, hopeless.
- interesting comments from Buckley: we have a few top players and then zip

I'm half expecting something to give should nothing change soon. I'd like to encourage those feeling that response deeply (so much anger, despair, humiliation on socials) to take care of themselves. Do whatever you need, to regain perspective and agency. Heaven knows life is brimming with stressors impacting the load of many. Take care.

Let's hope our boys are also supported to turn that dark day into light.

Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #129 – March 15, 2025, 03:43:24 pm

Nobody is suggesting that we played well, but the fact is we did enough to win. Teams with that type of data profile usually do.

Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #130 – March 15, 2025, 03:50:27 pm

A team of kids found us extremely comfortable to play against, so the old too many introverts not enough extroverts might get a run.

Sure they got away with pushing us in the back, holding off the ball, tunnelling our talls, but nobody on our side retaliated. Lynch drives a shoulder into the jaw of our solo ruck, and nobody reacts, nada, zilch, nothing!

We look like we are doing just enough physical work to be satisfied with the level of effort, walking off guilt free.

The flipside side of being introverts is that if you play like Robert Harvey, Flower or Craig Bradley, you have to be prepared to run your ring off, and I don't see much of that either. We come off the ground beaten, we looked mentally downtrodden, but definitely not exhausted.

Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #131 – March 15, 2025, 06:42:59 pm

Quote from: Slowhand – on March 15, 2025, 03:15:14 pm

Quote from: Macca37 – on March 15, 2025, 02:39:55 pm
Lods, I hope you are right, but from where I was sitting I saw fumbles, bad handballs, mis-kicks, kicking to the opposition when under pressure and not under pressure, getting in the way of a teammate when going for a mark etc, etc.

The play was of a standard that wouldn't be tolerated by the coach of a Sunday amateur team let alone an AFL club.

The players are well rewarded and it is not unreasonable for us to expect players to deliver a standard of play certainly way above the rubbish we saw on Thursday night.

Totally agree. Have a look at JSOS interview after the game (CFC homepage). He is hurting and Hope he has a crack in the Team meeting. You know our Match Committee wont drop McG and Haynes. They will argue continuity and experience.

As leaders, SOS Weiters Crippa and at a pinch TDK should make their ears ring during the review of that tripe.

Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #132 – March 15, 2025, 07:02:50 pm

Quote from: Lods – on March 15, 2025, 12:29:08 pm

I'm reading in some places that it's the worst loss in the last 30 years.
Some folks are slightly over-reacting, I feel.

I certainly haven't said that and i'm not one to go overboard on superlatives or the opposite.

However, whoever said that has a point.
In terms of favourites to win.....and not.....thats gotta be our biggest in 30 years.
I can't recall exactly, but on footytipping.com it shows you who has picked who as a percentage. This was high 90's to us, at least 95% if not 98%.

Not many times we'd ever be that strong of a favourite....and doubt we've lost one after being so overplayed.

Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #133 – March 15, 2025, 07:20:14 pm

Quote from: kruddler – on March 15, 2025, 07:02:50 pm

Quote from: Lods – on March 15, 2025, 12:29:08 pm
I'm reading in some places that it's the worst loss in the last 30 years.
Some folks are slightly over-reacting, I feel.

I certainly haven't said that and i'm not one to go overboard on superlatives or the opposite.

However, whoever said that has a point.
In terms of favourites to win.....and not.....thats gotta be our biggest in 30 years.
I can't recall exactly, but on footytipping.com it shows you who has picked who as a percentage. This was high 90's to us, at least 95% if not 98%.

Not many times we'd ever be that strong of a favourite....and doubt we've lost one after being so overplayed.

It wasn't said on here...that I could see.
But really was it such a surprise that it 'could' happen.
Go back to the pre-match thread.
Multiple posters, I think even including yourself, warned about it in the pre match thread.
Many thought we were 'home and hosed'...they'd be among the most disappointed.
Obviously, once they got to 40 odd points in front the players thought it as well...and that's when it will often come back to bite you on the bum.

'Favourites' in the first match of a season....is pretty dodgy in the first place.
It's a new start for everyone, and some teams with an extra growth and development from the previous year may make a bit of a 'lie' as to 2024 form.

At the moment Richmond aren't woodenspooners,
They're an undefeated top 4 side.

Ask Voss..."The ladder doesn't lie."

Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #134 – March 15, 2025, 08:15:55 pm

Quote from: Lods – on March 15, 2025, 07:20:14 pm

Quote from: kruddler – on March 15, 2025, 07:02:50 pm

I certainly haven't said that and i'm not one to go overboard on superlatives or the opposite.

However, whoever said that has a point.
In terms of favourites to win.....and not.....thats gotta be our biggest in 30 years.
I can't recall exactly, but on footytipping.com it shows you who has picked who as a percentage. This was high 90's to us, at least 95% if not 98%.

Not many times we'd ever be that strong of a favourite....and doubt we've lost one after being so overplayed.

It wasn't said on here...that I could see.
But really was it such a surprise that it 'could' happen.
Go back to the pre-match thread.
Multiple posters, I think even including yourself, warned about it in the pre match thread.
Many thought we were 'home and hosed'...they'd be among the most disappointed.
Obviously, once they got to 40 odd points in front the players thought it as well...and that's when it will often come back to bite you on the bum.

'Favourites' in the first match of a season....is pretty dodgy in the first place.
It's a new start for everyone, and some teams with an extra growth and development from the previous year may make a bit of a 'lie' as to 2024 form.

At the moment Richmond aren't woodenspooners,
They're an undefeated top 4 side.
Ask Voss..."The ladder doesn't lie."

Worst loss Ive ever seen.