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Re: AFL Rd 2 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #45 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Quote from: Thryleon – on
Not Gov.

He wasn't great but he's never woeful he's just not living up to the paypacket and people's expectations.

Haynes was putrid.


I saw a snippet from David King, he stated Gov had 8 intercepts and 14 disposals but 3 clangers resulted in 3 goals, that's the ball game right there.
the ball game was Nick haynes
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 2 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #46 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
I saw a snippet from David King, he stated Gov had 8 intercepts and 14 disposals but 3 clangers resulted in 3 goals, that's the ball game right there.
the ball game was Nick haynes
Both equally complicit IMO.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 2 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #47 –
I firmly disagree.  I dont understand all the gov hate. Everything Haynes did was rubbish and he looks finished.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 2 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #49 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
I firmly disagree.  I dont understand all the gov hate. Everything Haynes did was rubbish and he looks finished.
And so will the MC as I doubt they will drop him or Haynes.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 2 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #50 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Quote from: Thryleon – on
Not Gov.

He wasn't great but he's never woeful he's just not living up to the paypacket and people's expectations.

Haynes was putrid.


I saw a snippet from David King, he stated Gov had 8 intercepts and 14 disposals but 3 clangers resulted in 3 goals, that's the ball game right there.
Either way you look at it, I know its only round 1 but I dont think we will make the 8 let alone contend.

Assuming those stats are correct.
Let's say gov did cost us 3 goals.
But what about the 8 intercepts? Did that not save us potentially 8 shots on goal?
Do the math and you'll find that gov is more of a plus than a negative.

Re: AFL Rd 2 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #51 –
Older players can take some weeks into the season to get up to steam. Lets not judge Nick Haynes to harshly yet, but trust that a little of that AllAustralian ability is still with him.

Ab

Re: AFL Rd 2 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #52 –
Quote from: Adelaideblue – on
Older players can take some weeks into the season to get up to steam. Lets not judge Nick Haynes to harshly yet, but trust that a little of that AllAustralian ability is still with him.

Ab

Our backs were under enormous pressure. In the second half Tigers "ran" and "worked" in numbers and our guys  didn't match them with intensity or team work.

Re: AFL Rd 2 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #53 –
Partly because we kept giving them the ball and we were out of position.

Re: AFL Rd 2 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #54 –
Quote from: Adelaideblue – on
Older players can take some weeks into the season to get up to steam. Lets not judge Nick Haynes to harshly yet, but trust that a little of that AllAustralian ability is still with him.

Ab

im normally the first one to give old blokes a pass, but his mechanical movements suggest he's physically cooked and its effected him mentally where he was unable to execute basic skills. 

That tells me he hasn't learned to play within his limitations which is what has found him on the scrap heap to begin with.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 2 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #55 –
Unfortunately, we have no elite ball users in our midfield.  They send hack kicks into the forward line and more often than not it suits the opposition rather than our side.

Jagga Smith was going to help fix that.  Well, not this year......

Also, we had 65 inside 50s on Thursday for 9 goals.  And I lost count of the number of marks Richmond took in their defensive 50.

Some things for this week.

(1) Tell Harry to stop wrestling, he is no good at it - instead just put his arms in the air.  He'll either mark it, get a free kick, or at least create a crumb.
(2) Bring Moir in immediately.  We have tried 3 crap small forwards a lot, and it just does not work.
(3) Put Doc behind the ball.  They need another cool head back there to support Weiters.
(4) Our half-forward line is all wrong, it is too small.  The ball gets whipped out of there far too easily.  McKay CHF so he can get some grabs on the wings, Curnow lurking in the forward 50, and Moir supplying leads.
(5) See if we can hit a handball and a kick at training this week.  Skill level in the second half was about U16 standard.
(6) Matt Carroll in for Haynes.  Apart from Saad, our back 6 are slower than statues, and the Hawks can whip that in spades (And where's Boyd?)

Unfortunately, I just don't think we are ready for the Hollywood Hawks at the minute.  We are honestly staring at a 0-4 start......



This is now the longest premiership drought in the history of the Carlton Football Club - more evidence of climate change?

Re: AFL Rd 2 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #56 –
Send a message and drop gov, can't remember his last decent game and he's been a perennial underachiever.
I'd seriously consider Carroll for the role, faster and more mobile, and ok form in twos.  Swap Kemp for SoS.... Simply too slow in defence. 
I'd play Moir for Frank, even if it's only as a sub and Motlop needs to be dropped to find form and told to get serious or fark off
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: AFL Rd 2 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #57 –
Quote from: tonyo – on
Unfortunately, we have no elite ball users in our midfield.  They send hack kicks into the forward line and more often than not it suits the opposition rather than our side.

Jagga Smith was going to help fix that.  Well, not this year......

Also, we had 65 inside 50s on Thursday for 9 goals.  And I lost count of the number of marks Richmond took in their defensive 50.

Some things for this week.

(1) Tell Harry to stop wrestling, he is no good at it - instead just put his arms in the air.  He'll either mark it, get a free kick, or at least create a crumb.
(2) Bring Moir in immediately.  We have tried 3 crap small forwards a lot, and it just does not work.
(3) Put Doc behind the ball.  They need another cool head back there to support Weiters.
(4) Our half-forward line is all wrong, it is too small.  The ball gets whipped out of there far too easily.  McKay CHF so he can get some grabs on the wings, Curnow lurking in the forward 50, and Moir supplying leads.
(5) See if we can hit a handball and a kick at training this week.  Skill level in the second half was about U16 standard.
(6) Matt Carroll in for Haynes.  Apart from Saad, our back 6 are slower than statues, and the Hawks can whip that in spades (And where's Boyd?)

Unfortunately, I just don't think we are ready for the Hollywood Hawks at the minute.  We are honestly staring at a 0-4 start......




Boyd played in the VFL and did ok I thought, he would be straight in if I was picking the team.
Its about picking players who give effort and will bleed for the jumper and thats who I would pick.
Haynes is an intercept defender and thats a position we already had cover for, cheating with him at CHB wont work, his disposal isnt good enough to be rebounding the ball and I agree on Carroll who can use the footy. Bombers and Hawks both play that left footed halfback/wings with decent distribution skills and with Newman out we cant have Haynes bringing the ball out of defense.

Re: AFL Rd 2 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #58 –
Quote from: tonyo – on

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(1) Tell Harry to stop wrestling, he is no good at it - instead just put his arms in the air.  He'll either mark it, get a free kick, or at least create a crumb.
No key forward however skilful will consistently take many marks if :-
a). The ball is just bombed into the 50 m arc
b). The area is clogged up with other Carlton forwards also flying for the mark or dragging their opponents into the area.

Tell me: -
Has football changed that much that forwards no longer lead and demand the ball? 
Has football changed that much that coaches don't encourage a key forward like Harry or Charlie to tell other forwards to stay out of the area and thus keep those extra backs out.

Ab

Re: AFL Rd 2 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #59 –
We have all seen this game before,  we will come out with low energy, Hawthorn will get  a lead, Carlton will pretend to have a go, Hawthorn will skip away in the end.