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We were 4th in points for last season, 5th in points against (i.e conceded the fifth highest aggregate). Also worth contemplating whether there has been an over correction of sorts, in game plan / style, to fix this issue (leaving aside legitimate concerns about our forwards).

It's also efficiency
Last year our forward efficiency was in the high 40s
This year it's down in the 30s, the last game being the worst.

Quote from: Gointocarlton – on March 29, 2025, 12:53:49 pm

So what should he do?

How about say something truthful and meaningful for a start?    Stop spruiking the nonsensical 'little green shoots' BS like that other unmentionable waste of time we had.    Show us a bit of the old MV player mongrel and fight,  and not the current 'MV  I've got no real answers and I'm fearful of losing my job' Coach.   The fans don't want that.   Show some anger, show some grit and determination that can transfer to the team.!

Defence is fine
The highest score kicked against us this year is 83
A fair score but easily achievable by a fit and firing forward line.

Problem is our forward line is hampered by the fact our two best forwards are having a few issues.
Apparently Harry played in a practice game yesterday, so did Elijah (can anyone confirm that?)
Curnow was much better
Get that structure back and right and that can turn quickly.

Quote from: Bluesers – on March 29, 2025, 01:10:03 pm

How about say something truthful and meaningful for a start?    Stop spruiking the nonsensical 'little green shoots' BS like that other unmentionable waste of time we had.    Show us a bit of the old MV player mongrel and fight,  and not the current 'MV  I've got no real answers and I'm fearful of losing my job' Coach.   The fans don't want that.   Show some anger, show some grit and determination that can transfer to the team.!

Ive never heard Voss mention "green shoots". Him not being truthful is your opinion, you dont know crap about what is his truth or lies. How do you know he doesnt show the MV mongrel when he needs to behind closed doors with the players? Do you want him to walk into the presser and knock out a journo or something? So Ill ask again what do you think he should do in a football sense?  Don't gimme BS made up theories that that will achieve zero on a group of 45 young men in 2025.

Quote from: Gointocarlton – on March 30, 2025, 03:18:11 pm

Ive never heard Voss mention "green shoots". Him not being truthful is your opinion, you dont know crap about what is his truth or lies. How do you know he doesnt show the MV mongrel when he needs to behind closed doors with the players? Do you want him to walk into the presser and knock out a journo or something? So Ill ask again what do you think he should do in a football sense?  Don't gimme BS made up theories that that will achieve zero on a group of 45 young men in 2025.

Wow!  why so angry??   If you can't understand my post then please don't quote and reply like a numpty.!   Green shoots was clearly a reference to Bolton here,  which if you had read and understood what I typed then you would see that!  I won't bother commenting on the rest of a response by you when clearly you don't fully understand the points I was raising.   Better to say nothing, than to type words in anger imo.   Chill out big guy.!

Quote from: Bluesers – on March 30, 2025, 04:07:35 pm

Wow!  why so angry??   If you can't understand my post then please don't quote and reply like a numpty.!   Green shoots was clearly a reference to Bolton here,  which if you had read and understood what I typed then you would see that!  I won't bother commenting on the rest of a response by you when clearly you don't fully understand the points I was raising.   Better to say nothing, than to type words in anger imo.   Chill out big guy.!

I'm chill as they come my friend, don't want to get into a slanging match but you might want to re-read what you wrote.

Quote from: Lods – on March 30, 2025, 11:29:44 am

Defence is fine
The highest score kicked against us this year is 83
A fair score but easily achievable by a fit and firing forward line.

Problem is our forward line is hampered by the fact our two best forwards are having a few issues.
Apparently Harry played in a practice game yesterday, so did Elijah (can anyone confirm that?)
Curnow was much better
Get that structure back and right and that can turn quickly.

Defence is fine, because we are sacrificing our forward line to improve it. If we had 6 weiterings in defence, we wouldn't need fogartys defensive pressure so much. Now we are not going to get 6 weiterings.

But...if we improved our defenders, we wouldn't require our forwards to help in defence as much as they do and we could become more attacking....without being scored against more.

Quote from: kruddler – on March 30, 2025, 03:50:06 pm

Defence is fine, because we are sacrificing our forward line to improve it. If we had 6 weiterings in defence, we wouldn't need fogartys defensive pressure so much. Now we are not going to get 6 weiterings.

But...if we improved our defenders, we wouldn't require our forwards to help in defence as much as they do and we could become more attacking....without being scored against more.

Are you talking about our forwards dropping back to help out the defence during a game or the more semi-permanent moves like Silvagni to the backline?

One thing i'd like to consider changing up is how we structure our forwardline.

I get it, small forwards = pressure. We love pressure. We need pressure. You can never have too much pressure

.....or can you?

Perhaps we sacrifice some pressure that we get from a small forward running around harrassing and substitute it with some good old fashioned scoreboard pressure instead.

Why don't instead of picking an Evans who 'applies pressure' we pick a Moir, he kicks goals.
Ultimately, its not who has the highest amount of pressure that wins the game, its who has the most about of total points when the final siren goes.

Pick players that can beat their opponent in one on one contests up forward.
Pick players who can mark the ball inside 50.
Pick players who can kick goals.

If we have 6 forwards and they beat their opponent more often than not, then we win the game.
We know our mids will get it forward.
Yes, the supply inside F50 hasn't been great.....but if we had better forwards, that wouldn't matter as much.

Look at Zac Williams in his return to form over the past 18 months as a small forward. He kicked goals and made something out of nothing.
Look at all the love for Moir in his 2 quarters he's played. Why? He makes something out of nothing and kicks goals.

Find players who do that.

We focus so much on 'keeping the ball inside our forward half with pressure' Whats the point if we don't score.
If we get the ball in there slightly less, but kick more goals, then that is a winning recipe is it not?

Quote from: kruddler – on March 30, 2025, 11:03:17 am

One thing i'd like to consider changing up is how we structure our forwardline.

I get it, small forwards = pressure. We love pressure. We need pressure. You can never have too much pressure

.....or can you?

Perhaps we sacrifice some pressure that we get from a small forward running around harrassing and substitute it with some good old fashioned scoreboard pressure instead.

Why don't instead of picking an Evans who 'applies pressure' we pick a Moir, he kicks goals.
Ultimately, its not who has the highest amount of pressure that wins the game, its who has the most about of total points when the final siren goes.

Pick players that can beat their opponent in one on one contests up forward.
Pick players who can mark the ball inside 50.
Pick players who can kick goals.

If we have 6 forwards and they beat their opponent more often than not, then we win the game.
We know our mids will get it forward.
Yes, the supply inside F50 hasn't been great.....but if we had better forwards, that wouldn't matter as much.

Look at Zac Williams in his return to form over the past 18 months as a small forward. He kicked goals and made something out of nothing.
Look at all the love for Moir in his 2 quarters he's played. Why? He makes something out of nothing and kicks goals.

Find players who do that.

We focus so much on 'keeping the ball inside our forward half with pressure' Whats the point if we don't score.
If we get the ball in there slightly less, but kick more goals, then that is a winning recipe is it not?

Well said Kruddler,  completely agree.
I would be playing Moir because he is athletic and can beat his man and set up or kick goals. He is the  type of player that can unsettle defences. 
Time to shake things up a bit in the forward line with our small/medium players. We are way too predictable atm.

Quote from: kruddler – on March 30, 2025, 11:03:17 am

One thing i'd like to consider changing up is how we structure our forwardline.

I get it, small forwards = pressure. We love pressure. We need pressure. You can never have too much pressure

.....or can you?

Perhaps we sacrifice some pressure that we get from a small forward running around harrassing and substitute it with some good old fashioned scoreboard pressure instead.

Why don't instead of picking an Evans who 'applies pressure' we pick a Moir, he kicks goals.
Ultimately, its not who has the highest amount of pressure that wins the game, its who has the most about of total points when the final siren goes.

Pick players that can beat their opponent in one on one contests up forward.
Pick players who can mark the ball inside 50.
Pick players who can kick goals.

If we have 6 forwards and they beat their opponent more often than not, then we win the game.
We know our mids will get it forward.
Yes, the supply inside F50 hasn't been great.....but if we had better forwards, that wouldn't matter as much.

Look at Zac Williams in his return to form over the past 18 months as a small forward. He kicked goals and made something out of nothing.
Look at all the love for Moir in his 2 quarters he's played. Why? He makes something out of nothing and kicks goals.

Find players who do that.

We focus so much on 'keeping the ball inside our forward half with pressure' Whats the point if we don't score.
If we get the ball in there slightly less, but kick more goals, then that is a winning recipe is it not?

Well said Kruddler,  completely agree.
I would be playing Moir because he is athletic and can beat his man and set up or kick goals. He is the  type of player that can unsettle defences. 
Time to shake things up a bit in the forward line with our small/medium players. We are way too predictable atm.