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Re: AFL Rd 11 2025 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs GWS

Reply #60 –
Poor reward for effort (scoreboard) and you get de-motivation. Symptoms of de-motivation: Go into your shell - seem injured/slow/appear unsure/unfit; become reactive, protect own patch, panicky, selfish; even appear to lack mental strength; discipline and leadership appear suspect or even weak.

Early in games, so much seems good, however, when oppo responds with heat/taking away advantages, the brittle part of our game snaps, or at best, labours. An obvious brittle part of our game (plan) is the connection to forward line/operation of forward line. Irrefutable data back this up. Stop cherry picking positives for the media and us mug members and supporters, we are no longer are buying it. Fake positivity is denialism with a convincingly lovely smile, disguising a lack of courage to face real issues (oh, no, not negativity!!!!).

If it's not the forward line connection and execution, then we're right royally rooted.

Buck stops with Lloyd and Voss. You've given us 3 1/2 years of this impressive ordinariness. Ladder doesn't lie. Fix it or fck off. There are seemingly better senior coaches and heads of football available.

Oh, and to the CEO/CFC Board... you buggers are presiding over this failure to deliver on potential. Fix it or fck off.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 11 2025 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs GWS

Reply #61 –
58 Inside50s to 47 favouring us but only 40% efficiency I50....is it connection from the mids being poor or our forwards letting us down?
We took 8 marks inside 50 to GWS 14...where were our two key forwards who are meant to be the best in the business as a combo?

Re: AFL Rd 11 2025 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs GWS

Reply #62 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
58 Inside50s to 47 favouring us but only 40% efficiency I50....is it connection from the mids being poor or our forwards letting us down?
We took 8 marks inside 50 to GWS 14...where were our two key forwards who are meant to be the best in the business as a combo?

If it was a one off, EB1, you wouldn't worry too much... but this is endemic, has been for yonks.

I noticed on YouTube today that the headline quote from A Clarkson after their defeat by Rottingwood, "Good Sides Hurt You On The Scoreboard." Says it all.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 11 2025 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs GWS

Reply #63 –
This team is at its peak and Voss hasnt managed to drill them after four years.

So when are they going to get drilled after 6-8 10 years?

Re: AFL Rd 11 2025 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs GWS

Reply #64 –
Quote from: pinot – on
This team is at its peak and Voss hasnt managed to drill them after four years.

So when are they going to get drilled after 6-8 10 years?



Maybe they have been drilled well... on an archaic game style.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 11 2025 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs GWS

Reply #65 –
Quote from: pinot – on
This team is at its peak and Voss hasnt managed to drill them after four years.

So when are they going to get drilled after 6-8 10 years?

Maybe they are drilled perfectly and the players are simply not good enough.

A genius coach cannot get a bunch of c-graders to perform at an a-grade level.

Re: AFL Rd 11 2025 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs GWS

Reply #66 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Quote from: pinot – on
This team is at its peak and Voss hasnt managed to drill them after four years.

So when are they going to get drilled after 6-8 10 years?

Maybe they are drilled perfectly and the players are simply not good enough.

A genius coach cannot get a bunch of c-graders to perform at an a-grade level.

A brownlow medalist
2 x coleman medalist
6 x All Australians

Its not the list.

Re: AFL Rd 11 2025 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs GWS

Reply #67 –
Quote from: pinot – on
Quote from: kruddler – on


Maybe they are drilled perfectly and the players are simply not good enough.

A genius coach cannot get a bunch of c-graders to perform at an a-grade level.

A brownlow medalist
2 x coleman medalist
6 x All Australians

Its not the list.
which of those players are fit and in form?

Hewett and cerra are two playing better than last year.  I'll add Corey durdin and TDK was until 2 games ago, and Jack silvagni.

That's 8 players who have stepped up.

The rest are no where near their best form, and we cut loose two of 5 players that were fully fit in season 2024. 

Its a recipe for the inconsistency.



"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 11 2025 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs GWS

Reply #68 –
Quote from: pinot – on
Quote from: kruddler – on


Maybe they are drilled perfectly and the players are simply not good enough.

A genius coach cannot get a bunch of c-graders to perform at an a-grade level.

A brownlow medalist
2 x coleman medalist
6 x All Australians

Its not the list.

That covers, what, 6 players. What about the other 40 on the list?
Forget that, what about the other 14 in the team?
Lets not go overboard, lets simply look at the other 4 forwards.
Out of them, how many get a game in another team?

Parts of the list are strong......very strong.....parts of the list are not.
We've pulled a few rabbits out of hats to somewhat potentially solve our CHB issue which was IMO our biggest need.
Our next biggest need IMO is elite ball users from HB to HF.
This is where we are getting let down.
How many from your list above fit that category?

Re: AFL Rd 11 2025 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs GWS

Reply #69 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Quote from: pinot – on

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A brownlow medalist
2 x coleman medalist
6 x All Australians

Its not the list.

That covers, what, 6 players. What about the other 40 on the list?
Forget that, what about the other 14 in the team?
Lets not go overboard, lets simply look at the other 4 forwards.
Out of them, how many get a game in another team?

Parts of the list are strong......very strong.....parts of the list are not.
We've pulled a few rabbits out of hats to somewhat potentially solve our CHB issue which was IMO our biggest need.
Our next biggest need IMO is elite ball users from HB to HF.
This is where we are getting let down.
How many from your list above fit that category?

Cerra, Silvagni, Haynes, Gov, Williams, TDK, Acres, Hewett, Cottrell

Then you have O + E Hollands, Lord, White, Fogarty, Cincotta, Boyd.

Its not the talent of the players - its the coach.

There is more than enough talent on the list. Kemp, Smith, Newman not included...

Re: AFL Rd 11 2025 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs GWS

Reply #70 –
Quote from: pinot – on
Quote from: kruddler – on


That covers, what, 6 players. What about the other 40 on the list?
Forget that, what about the other 14 in the team?
Lets not go overboard, lets simply look at the other 4 forwards.
Out of them, how many get a game in another team?

Parts of the list are strong......very strong.....parts of the list are not.
We've pulled a few rabbits out of hats to somewhat potentially solve our CHB issue which was IMO our biggest need.
Our next biggest need IMO is elite ball users from HB to HF.
This is where we are getting let down.
How many from your list above fit that category?

Cerra, Silvagni, Haynes, Gov, Williams, TDK, Acres, Hewett, Cottrell

Then you have O + E Hollands, Lord, White, Fogarty, Cincotta, Boyd.

Its not the talent of the players - its the coach.

There is more than enough talent on the list. Kemp, Smith, Newman not included...
I agree.

Re: AFL Rd 11 2025 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs GWS

Reply #71 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
58 Inside50s to 47 favouring us but only 40% efficiency I50....is it connection from the mids being poor or our forwards letting us down?
We took 8 marks inside 50 to GWS 14...where were our two key forwards who are meant to be the best in the business as a combo?

We move it that slowly that we never get a chance to kick it into an open forward line. The games we are up and going getting it in quickly our skills are suddenly better and our inside 50s are suddenly more efficient. We seem to save those games for Geelong....lol. The game last year against Geelong, about 2 games before it all went pear shaped, you've never seen a side move the ball better, and we crushed them. Our biggest issue is we have an attitude that stinks. 2023 proved that. We were putrid in the extreme until the pow wow at Ed's place. Within one game we were superstars, won the next 10 and made a PF. If we weren't so damn lazy in the first half of 2023 we'd have won the flag. Attitude is everything. Right now it is s hit. List is similar to 2023.

Re: AFL Rd 11 2025 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs GWS

Reply #72 –
Just on Harry and Charlie
We look at them as this dynamic duo
The twin towers...a deadly combination
They've been with us for 9 seasons.
How many of those 9 have been 'standout' seasons for each player.
More importantly how many of those 9 have seen both players in 'standout' form together.

Re: AFL Rd 11 2025 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs GWS

Reply #73 –
We deliver it to them (the KPFs) horribly and monotonously.

I saw Cripps run through the HFF and look inboard to OH yesterday, OH in the clear running into F50 through CHF and probably 20m away from any opponent while in the corridor, and Cripps turned away, carried on and kicked to a contest in the pocket.

I get it. Cripps is thinking if he misses OH it's a certain goal at the other end, because we can't stop them if I turn it over in the corridor, but that kick to OH was the avenue to goal, not the contest in the pocket.

We have to get the fundamentals right, pick the right targets and hit them, we won't get better at execution by avoiding the risks.

We don't help Charlie and Harry by ignoring players in better positions in the open.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 11 2025 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs GWS

Reply #74 –
Footy Furnace crew bagged our system and kicking going forward which is nothing new, but blamed it on coaching where to kick and said it's it's a skill we have not fixed for 2 years with Bartel in a clip from back then identifying our poor entries. So that's the coach in the gun but also identified our players not being on the same page and being selfish instead of looking for better options.
There was a list of our worst poor kicking players, players who are down this season
 and the view that our premiership window is closing especially if TDK leaves.