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Re: AFL Rd 11 2025 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs GWS

Reply #120 –
Quote from: Micky0 – on
I think H is impoetsnt to us, he can be used around the ground and always takes amazing clutch marks.

Re footy and losing interest - same. When we’re not contenders - again - I don’t care about other teams at all. It’s depressing hearing the Pies are again flying etc 🙄

Yes, Harry is important in the dual role of forward and 2nd ruck.. In many respects more so than Charlie. Brisbane had Daniher and Hipwood as their two main forwards last year in  their premiership but where Daniher was very good is, like Harry, plays two important roles.

Re: AFL Rd 11 2025 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs GWS

Reply #121 –
Harry is also one forward who's been doing some leading in recent games. Particularly it seems when Cooper Lord or Jordan Boyd have the ball and are steaming towards the forward line. 
Did you see the bullet like pass that Boyd hit Harry with against Sydney Swans ?......wow!.....more needed!

No I wouldn't be trading out Harry McKay.   Improve our drafting, no more Francis Evans types recruiters (sorry Frankie!). Importantly set the club up to draft in later this year two apparently top father sons selections plus one or more of our promising Next Generation Academies recruits.

Ab

Re: AFL Rd 11 2025 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs GWS

Reply #122 –
Quote from: laj – on
Quote from: Micky0 – on
I think H is impoetsnt to us, he can be used around the ground and always takes amazing clutch marks.

Re footy and losing interest - same. When we’re not contenders - again - I don’t care about other teams at all. It’s depressing hearing the Pies are again flying etc 🙄

Yes, Harry is important in the dual role of forward and 2nd ruck.. In many respects more so than Charlie. Brisbane had Daniher and Hipwood as their two main forwards last year in  their premiership but where Daniher was very good is, like Harry, plays two important roles.
I would want to know what the alternative plan was going forward and the likely benefits before commenting on whether or not to trade Harry.
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: AFL Rd 11 2025 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs GWS

Reply #123 –
^^

Dont bring logical planning into this conversation cookie!  It wont suit the emotive backlash about the lack of wins.  Thing is, say we held on to win against Richmond and the bulldogs (both games were gettable within minutes to go), what would the conversations look like?
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 11 2025 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs GWS

Reply #124 –
Even contemplating trading H is bizarre. TDK, Walsh, Charles... maybe, but not H.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 11 2025 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs GWS

Reply #125 –
Quote from: Baggers – on
Even contemplating trading H is bizarre. TDK, Walsh, Charles... maybe, but not H.

Why the others, but not H?

Re: AFL Rd 11 2025 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs GWS

Reply #126 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Quote from: Baggers – on
Even contemplating trading H is bizarre. TDK, Walsh, Charles... maybe, but not H.

Why the others, but not H?
Too valuable in the dual role. Hasn't kicked the goals but around the ground he is outstanding. Fox article (I have to find it again) has him as out most important player.

(disclaimer : also had Motlop as our 3rd most important, not sure what they are smoking. TDK 2nd)
 

Re: AFL Rd 11 2025 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs GWS

Reply #127 –
Quote from: Baggers – on
Even contemplating trading H is bizarre. TDK, Walsh, Charles... maybe, but not H.
TDK  will go others will still be around. Basically, our biggest issue is a bad attitude, 2023 showed what attitude does, plus a couple of other obvious structural issues. With those guys, form is temporary, class is permanent.

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Reply #128 –
Quote from: laj – on
(disclaimer : also had Motlop as our 3rd most important, not sure what they are smoking. TDK 2nd)

That kind of destroys their credibility. :D  :D
Weitering???
Cripps???

I think Harry is up there.
Certainly ahead of Curnow at present because he does more work around the ground.

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Reply #129 –
Quote from: cookie2 – on
Quote from: laj – on


Yes, Harry is important in the dual role of forward and 2nd ruck.. In many respects more so than Charlie. Brisbane had Daniher and Hipwood as their two main forwards last year in  their premiership but where Daniher was very good is, like Harry, plays two important roles.
I would want to know what the alternative plan was going forward and the likely benefits before commenting on whether or not to trade Harry.

I have Harry as our most important player. So, he's last on the list.

Wonder what we get for TDK compo when he goes. Think it is pick 8 right now.

Re: AFL Rd 11 2025 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs GWS

Reply #130 –
Quote from: Lods – on
Quote from: laj – on
(disclaimer : also had Motlop as our 3rd most important, not sure what they are smoking. TDK 2nd)

That kind of destroys their credibility. :D  :D
Weitering???
Cripps???

I think Harry is up there.
Certainly ahead of Curnow at present because he does more work around the ground.

Only thing I can say about Motlop is he is tackling at least because he is barely touching it. If you're only going to touch it 6 times at least make up for it by kicking at least 2 goals. He's kicking nothing.

Re: AFL Rd 11 2025 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs GWS

Reply #131 –
Quote from: laj – on
Quote from: Lods – on


That kind of destroys their credibility. :D  :D
Weitering???
Cripps???

I think Harry is up there.
Certainly ahead of Curnow at present because he does more work around the ground.

Only thing I can say about Motlop is he is tackling at least because he is barely touching it. If you're only going to touch it 6 times at least make up for it by kicking at least 2 goals. He's kicking nothing.
We are just looking for justification for these guys, the small fwds are a massive part of our problem.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 11 2025 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs GWS

Reply #132 –
Quote from: laj – on
Quote from: kruddler – on


Why the others, but not H?
Too valuable in the dual role. Hasn't kicked the goals but around the ground he is outstanding. Fox article (I have to find it again) has him as out most important player.

(disclaimer : also had Motlop as our 3rd most important, not sure what they are smoking. TDK 2nd)
As lods said, having Motlop 3rd ruins whatever credibility they may have had.
Motlop might be in our top 20 most important players, might, but he ain't 3rd!

I can't believe i'm going to say this, but what Harry has been giving us in terms of limited goals and limited ruck ability, we could get in Young for 1/3 of the price.
Harry is not the same Harry he was. Not sure he ever will be again.

Rating him that highly is watching him through 'old glasses' rather than on recent form.
Harry has kicked 9 goals in 7 games this year.
Harry averages <3 hitouts a game.

Young has kicked 5 goals in 8 games
Young averages 4 hitouts a game.

I can guarantee you Young hasn't spent as much time in the F50 as Harry, and certainly isn't targetted as much.

If Harry is indeed our most important player, then he is the sole reason we are sucking at present.....and i don't buy that.

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Reply #133 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Quote from: laj – on
Only thing I can say about Motlop is he is tackling at least because he is barely touching it. If you're only going to touch it 6 times at least make up for it by kicking at least 2 goals. He's kicking nothing.
We are just looking for justification for these guys, the small fwds are a massive part of our problem.
Agree with this.
The time to shake things up is now.
Whoever said something about "knee jerk reactions we will regret", well the same problems have been around for 3-4 years.
The attitude of many players is poor at the moment. Maybe it's all too hard for some? A big chance they are not on board with the game plan? Only they know.
And as many have said, we have obvious holes in the list (eg players with pace who can break lines, players who can hit targets)
Throw it all in the mix and its hard work and a grind at the moment. The players are not enjoying their footy and nor are we.
Soft wins in the next few weeks will not paper over the cracks.
I await Graeme Wright's actions with much interest.

Re: AFL Rd 11 2025 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs GWS

Reply #134 –
Having four VFL standard crabs clogging up the forward line and leading lanes is a gift that keeps on giving for the opposition.