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Reply #30 –
Read up on some history mate, atomising 8 kg of weapons grade fissionable material wasn't good for anybody.
Why do you think water tanks were banned across SA for a long period?
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

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Reply #31 –
This isn't a debate about whether something is good or bad, it's a debate / discussion I made about relative risk.

For example; Smoke detectors commonly use americium 241, it's present in the amount of a microgram or so and has a half life of only 432 years. Most have many such devices in their home, and the occupants get more radioactive isotope exposure from those detectors than all the nuclear testing ever conducted collectively.

Uranium used for weapons has a half life of 700 million to 4.3 billion of years dependant on the 235 or 238 split isotope, that determines how long it takes for half of any quantity to emit decay via an alpha particle(typically a helium nucleus). Suspensions in water are typically measured in picograms.

While you wouldn't swallow a small amount of any such material deliberately, the chance of direct harm by accidentally consuming some is vastly overstated relative to exposure to other natural sources of radioactive elements or toxic chemicals.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #32 –
Trump and the USA enter the conflict between Israel and Iran by bombing Fordow and associated sites which is no surprise, Im presuming we will have a rise in terrorist attacks given Iran wont be able to do much on the conventional warfare front to hit back.
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/trump-says-iran-strikes-spectacular-military-success-and-warns-bully-iran-to-make-peace-or-face-greater-attacks/ar-AA1HaEZf?ocid=winp2fptaskbarhover&cvid=90f3385e21284febd21efc1258a9becb&ei=8

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Reply #33 –
Gotta love the Trump tweet - talking about the successful bombing raid on Fordow, and ends with (in capital letters) NOW IS THE TIME FOR PEACE.

That's a novel way to commence diplomatic discussions.
This is now the longest premiership drought in the history of the Carlton Football Club - more evidence of climate change?

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Reply #34 –
Imagine punching someone and then labelling them the bully for retaliating.

In my lifetime (since 82) the USA has been involved in more conflict in the middle east than Carlton has been premierships.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

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Reply #35 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
Imagine punching someone and then labelling them the bully for retaliating.

In my lifetime (since 82) the USA has been involved in more conflict in the middle east than Carlton has been premierships.

There was some stat which i will bastardise, but you'll get the point.

In 240-odd years, America has been at war with 1 country or another for at least 1 day of that calandar year for 230-odd of those years.

US are the biggest bullies but have a very good propaganda machine. I mean, its so good they got trump elected.....twice!

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Reply #36 –
No doubt krudd.  I want to highlight that their work is a somewhat necessary evil at times and they play a proxy role of world police, but this latest one is just an abject joke.  They dont even hide that they push their own agenda.  As soon as Iran threatened to block oil off the USA went to bomb the place.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

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Reply #37 –
I do wonder about the thoughts that went through Trump's head (assuming there were some).
[1] smarter men with better understandings of world politics have faced similar situations (and more reason or need) and decided NOT to get directly involved. Yet, Donald goes in first first.
[2] Trump's election promise was not to get into another 'Forever War'.
[3] It would be nice to see the end of the Islamic Republic of Iran (which is neither particularly Islamic nor a republic), but what happens if the government does fall? I don't see whoever rises from the rubble being a better world citizen that the present bunch. Old maxim: when a regime is replaced by force, the successor state is usually very similar to one it replaces, even if their stated ideology is totally different. Example: Czarist Russia & the Soyuz Sovietsky Socialisti Replubliki.
Live Long and Prosper!

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Reply #38 –
MAGA is self-destructing now, a faint stench of anti-Semitism helped MAGA in it's foundation, and now RedTrump is assisting Israel.

They are so conflicted, they no longer know who to hate!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #39 –
Donald's not happy.
He's going for the Nobel and folks aren't helping.
Reckon's Israel and Iran have been fighting so long that "they don't know what the Fck they're doing"

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Reply #40 –
So RedTrump claims the bunker busters dropped on Iran were bigger than Hiroshima!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #41 –
Well, it's on again and more serious this time.

Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, Iran's supreme leader for the last 36 years, has been killed by air strikes, along with other leaders of the Islamic Republic of Iran.  Of course, that's a misnomer as the regime is not republican or Iranian but is a Shia cartel that has brutally suppressed all other Iranian political and religious groups since they seized power in 1979.  I don't think too many folk will be mourning Khamenei and his thugs.

The other side of the coin is that the USA and Israel started a war without UN approval and, in the case of the USA, without the constitutionally required Congressional approval.  On top of that, only about 25% of Americans support the war and that number will probably drop as the war drags on, casualties increase and the price of oil climbs.

Other issues are the expansion of the conflict to other Middle Eastern nations, the closure of the Straits of Hormuz, the fact that regime change has never been achieved through air strikes and always requires boots on the ground, and the potential for Iran to become a failed state like the other Middle Eastern nations that have had forced regime change.

Ukraine is happy because the supply of Iranian Shahed drones to Russia will dry up.

Meanwhile, there's panic buying at service stations and I expect that there'll be a run on dunny rolls  ::)
"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball

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Reply #42 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Meanwhile, there's panic buying at service stations and I expect that there'll be a run on dunny rolls  ::)

I've been hiding under a rock the past few days due to a family emergency....and not sure when all this actually kicked off.

However, the first thing i saw on my phone was an article telling everyone to go and stock up on fuel because of the war with Iran will limit supply and increase costs.

Can't remember where the article was from, but clearly i wasn't the only person to see it as i've had 4 other people talk about that very issue today.

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Reply #43 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Well, it's on again and more serious this time.

Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, Iran's supreme leader for the last 36 years, has been killed by air strikes, along with other leaders of the Islamic Republic of Iran.  Of course, that's a misnomer as the regime is not republican or Iranian but is a Shia cartel that has brutally suppressed all other Iranian political and religious groups since they seized power in 1979.  I don't think too many folk will be mourning Khamenei and his thugs.

The other side of the coin is that the USA and Israel started a war without UN approval and, in the case of the USA, without the constitutionally required Congressional approval.  On top of that, only about 25% of Americans support the war and that number will probably drop as the war drags on, casualties increase and the price of oil climbs.

Other issues are the expansion of the conflict to other Middle Eastern nations, the closure of the Straits of Hormuz, the fact that regime change has never been achieved through air strikes and always requires boots on the ground, and the potential for Iran to become a failed state like the other Middle Eastern nations that have had forced regime change.

Ukraine is happy because the supply of Iranian Shahed drones to Russia will dry up.

Meanwhile, there's panic buying at service stations and I expect that there'll be a run on dunny rolls  ::)
Good summary, Id like to know what the plan is now the old Ayatollah has been terminated if there is a plan? or will Iran descend into a civil war and the rest of the world will have to pick up the pieces. The old regime are still in control of the military on the ground and Ali Larijani while not a Cleric is tipped as the readymade replacement who has already declared there will be revenge. Food and water are in short supply and oil supplies blockaded, so refugees galore and an ongoing conflict other countries have to navigate around. The USA really need to complete the job when they make these attacks or not get involved at all and have a history of these unfinished interventions that take years to resolve and then rely on other countries to cleanup the mess.
 

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Reply #44 –
Plan EB, what plan?

There's Crown Prince Reza Pahlavi waiting in the wings and cheering the US on, but I'm not sure that the Iranians will want to change an authoritarian theocratic regime for an authoritarian monarchical regime.

I suspect that the USA thinks that chopping the head off the snake will encourage the populace to rise up and establish a western style constitutional democracy. 
"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball