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Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #90 –
Malmsbury, one of the best bakeries in the state and the hottest speed gun in town, made Doc Holiday look slow on the draw!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #91 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
Worst part of speeding is, time it wrong amd you get a fine.  I got one recently cost 300 dollars for 54 in a 50 zone on a road that used to be 60.  Stationary 4wd, Saturday night 11.30pm on the way home.  No excuse, but I was on the way home from dinner and Bolton Street is the only stretch thats 50km from templestowe to Diamond Creek road.  Used to be 60km.  Less of this please.  Not helpful to anyone but the government purse.

Bolton Street,  the road that is up and down like a roller coaster and they had a radar there? That's BS.
 

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #93 –
Quote from: shawny – on
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/divisive-melbournes-st-vincents-hospital-policy-fasttracks-indigenous-patients-over-others/news-story/78ce146e8162dff254342c529f653741

Appalling, divisive and racist policy. Hoping this is not true
 

Yes, if true, a policy or triage stupidity. But I do muse to myself... Over how many decades were 'whites' prioritized over indigenous folks!
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Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #94 –
Another nothing burger "scoop". How shocking that a google search reveals this story shows up only in the Newscorpse press and other egregiously trashy tabloids.

The article gives a perfectly clear and reasonable explanation for the policy, but then you'd have to move beyond the rage bait headline and sensationalist wording and reporting of the article.

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #95 –
Quote from: Baggers – on
Quote from: shawny – on
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/divisive-melbournes-st-vincents-hospital-policy-fasttracks-indigenous-patients-over-others/news-story/78ce146e8162dff254342c529f653741

Appalling, divisive and racist policy. Hoping this is not true
 

Yes, if true, a policy or triage stupidity. But I do muse to myself... Over how many decades were 'whites' prioritized over indigenous folks!
two wrongs dont make a right Baggers.


"The triaging of patients should be done on medical need, not based on the colour of your skin,”

Direct quite from the article.  Short sharp and to the point. Category 3 patients are usually those who rock up with a broken leg.  Not urgent, in pain, so giving them priority over other cat 3, 4, 5 patients is not necessarily going to cause life threatening issues, but it will fast track them over folks who have been waiting.  Where this becomes problematic is when the sla for cat 4 and 5 patients is not being met. 

Also this doesnt close an equality gap it creates one.  The point of racism is to eliminate the difference not create gaps.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #96 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
Another nothing burger "scoop". How shocking that a google search reveals this story shows up only in the Newscorpse press and other egregiously trashy tabloids.

The article gives a perfectly clear and reasonable explanation for the policy, but then you'd have to move beyond the rage bait headline and sensationalist wording and reporting of the article.
does that mean left leaning papers just dont consider it newsworthy?

Beware the echo chamber.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

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Reply #97 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
does that mean left leaning papers just dont consider it newsworthy?

Beware the echo chamber.

Newscorpse has a very well understood and documented approach to "news." It's not really a left or right issue. To characterize news outlets as simply left or right is IMO a mischaracterization.

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #98 –
It would be wrong to triage patients on the basis of ethnicity ... unless there was an evidence-based reason for doing so. 

The evidence is that Indigenous patients were waiting much longer than non-Indigenous patients at St Vincents and the hospital took action to improve their access to health care.

St Vincents in Sydney has a similar policy and "the rate of incomplete treatment among Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander patients fell from 19.5% to 5.2% of presentations - a five-fold decrease. No decrease in benchmarked provision of care levels for non-Aboriginal patients was seen after the implementation."

There hasn't been a racist outburst over the Sydney St Vincents policy and procedures, perhaps because it has been explained in simple terms.

You can read about it here:
https://www.safetyandquality.gov.au/our-work/healthcare-variation/user-guide-reviewing-clinical-variation/case-studies/reducing-incomplete-treatment-ed-aboriginal-and-torres-strait-islander-patients
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Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #99 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
Quote from: Thryleon – on
does that mean left leaning papers just dont consider it newsworthy?

Beware the echo chamber.

Newscorpse has a very well understood and documented approach to "news." It's not really a left or right issue. To characterize news outlets as simply left or right is IMO a mischaracterization.

Newscorp is becoming increasingly biased - they stopped being a media organisation long ago, and now specialise in trying to manipulate consumers into their world view. 

When does news end, and opinion begin?  That line is very blurry in the halls of Newscorp organisations......

This is now the longest premiership drought in the history of the Carlton Football Club - more evidence of climate change?

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Reply #100 –
It’s also worth noting that Indigenous Australians make up less than 4% of the population.  Even if they are over represented in public hospital presentations, triaging every Indigenous patient as Category 1 would have minimal impact on the quality and promptness of the care provided to non-Indigenous patients.
"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #101 –
Those who won't allow to be seen as leaning one way or another but like clockwork claim 'fake news' on all matters against their beliefs. 

If you want to debunk the link i put on go right ahead but the discussion i raised has been all over the news on several platforms - as we know certain sections of the media go quiet on matters against their followers bias.  It's 100% happens on both sides of politics but its assuming how old mate Trump was ridiculed for calling out media outlets as 'Fake news' yet those disputing his calls are the first to do exactly the same when the shoe is on the other foot. 

I quickly googled the topic and there is pages and pages and more pages of different sources all discussing it - are they all fake? 

https://www.2gb.com/utter-lunacy-zelic-slams-how-indigenous-patients-are-fast-tracked-ahead-of-17000-others/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpUPa7YJuSM
https://www.spectator.com.au/2025/10/victoria-where-some-peoples-healthcare-is-more-equal-than-others/
https://hellocare.com.au/vic-premier-defends-hopsital-emergency-dept-prioritising-indigenous-patients/?amp=1

 

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Reply #102 –
Quote from: DJC – on
It’s also worth noting that Indigenous Australians make up less than 4% of the population.  Even if they are over-represented in public hospital presentations, triaging every Indigenous patient as Category 1 would have minimal impact on the quality and promptness of the care provided to non-Indigenous patients.

That's no excuse and not the point. 

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #103 –
"Those" who think that such distinguished news outlets as The Daily Mail, 2GB, The Spectator, Herald Sun, Fox News, Sky News, and distinguished individuals like Douglas Murray, are going to provide a broad spectrum of opinion, are going to interrogate the data legitimately, are representing some kind of legitimate discourse,.......Maybe "those" should actually listen to and read those discussions first.

"Those" who are very concerned about pot holes and the slim possibility that a brown person may, with genuine reason, be given preferential medical treatment, because in a properly functioning, supposedly Christian society, giving assistance and offering preferential options to the poorest and most vulnerable among us, is in fact a good thing and to be encouraged, not to be used as fodder for rage baiting.

Maybe "those" should sit this one out.

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #104 –
Quote from: shawny – on
Quote from: DJC – on
It’s also worth noting that Indigenous Australians make up less than 4% of the population.  Even if they are over-represented in public hospital presentations, triaging every Indigenous patient as Category 1 would have minimal impact on the quality and promptness of the care provided to non-Indigenous patients.

That's no excuse and not the point.

It’s not meant to be an excuse because good public policy doesn’t need to be excused.

It is the point though because hospitals have taken steps to address a failure to care for a small and vulnerable cohort without any negative impacts on the care provided to everyone else.

Don’t be sucked in by the righteous outrage of the Murdoch media.  Find the facts … it’s not that hard.
"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball