Carlton Supporters Club

Quote from: shawny – on October 30, 2025, 04:32:30 pm

That's no excuse and not the point.

It’s not meant to be an excuse because good public policy doesn’t need to be excused.

It is the point though because hospitals have taken steps to address a failure to care for a small and vulnerable cohort without any negative impacts on the care provided to everyone else.

Don’t be sucked in by the righteous outrage of the Murdoch media.  Find the facts … it’s not that hard.

Quote from: shawny – on October 30, 2025, 04:32:30 pm

That's no excuse and not the point.

It’s not meant to be an excuse because good public policy doesn’t need to be excused.

It is the point though because hospitals have taken steps to address a failure to care for a small and vulnerable cohort without any negative impacts on the care provided to everyone else.

Don’t be sucked in by the righteous outrage of the Murdoch media.  Find the facts … it’s not that hard.

Quote from: shawny – on October 30, 2025, 04:32:30 pm

That's no excuse and not the point.

It’s not meant to be an excuse because good public policy doesn’t need to be excused.

https://nit.com.au/30-10-2025/21004/vaccho-condemns-race-baiting-over-melbourne-hospitals-indigenous-care-policy

The whole atricle is worth a read, but I highlight the following :



The organisation also noted that efforts to make emergency departments culturally safe began under Victoria's previous Liberal Government through the Koolin Balit strategy, the first to explicitly address racism in public hospitals.

"VACCHO applauded that Liberal Government when Koolin Balit was launched, and we remind the current Liberal Party that it was a legacy to be proud of," the spokesperson said, calling the Opposition's recent comments a "shameful betrayal of a legacy of bipartisanship"..............................

VACCHO's Executive Director of Population Health, Abe Ropitini, said targeted action to improve Aboriginal cultural safety in emergency departments began under the previous Liberal Government - a legacy "they should be proud of, because it was a serious commitment to Closing the Gap".

"It is disappointing they have traded in that legacy for race baiting and punching down on our most vulnerable people," Mr Ropitini said.

You shut down 7 different media platforms being Murdoch click bait rubbish 'in your eyes' then go on to quote from an indigenous media source on an indigenous favored policy?

I think thats its from me on this matter.

Really?

It is the point though because hospitals have taken steps to address a failure to care for a small and vulnerable cohort without any negative impacts on the care provided to everyone else.

Quote from: DJC – on October 30, 2025, 05:46:24 pm

It is the point though because hospitals have taken steps to address a failure to care for a small and vulnerable cohort without any negative impacts on the care provided to everyone else.

The only concern I have over this is the question of who is indigenous.

In my direct personal experience, I know of people claiming Federal benefits because the local mob declared them as members of the  mob, despite not have a drop of indigenous heritage. Then another segment of the same mob use access to those benefits as a form of blackmail, skimming "a donation" of the top in return for silence.

If we leave the classification of such matters to hearsay and opinion, the dark side of humanity will prevail, it has to be more formal.

Quote from: DJC – on October 30, 2025, 05:46:24 pm

It’s not meant to be an excuse because good public policy doesn’t need to be excused.

Do you really believe this - If Trump did a similar thing would you call it good policy. Don't bother answering that.

And btw racism is racism regardless of which skin colour is the one being discriminated against

Quote from: Baggers – on October 30, 2025, 10:11:22 am

Yes, if true, a policy or triage stupidity. But I do muse to myself... Over how many decades were 'whites' prioritized over indigenous folks!

two wrongs dont make a right Baggers.


"The triaging of patients should be done on medical need, not based on the colour of your skin,”

Direct quite from the article.  Short sharp and to the point. Category 3 patients are usually those who rock up with a broken leg.  Not urgent, in pain, so giving them priority over other cat 3, 4, 5 patients is not necessarily going to cause life threatening issues, but it will fast track them over folks who have been waiting.  Where this becomes problematic is when the sla for cat 4 and 5 patients is not being met. 

Also this doesnt close an equality gap it creates one.  The point of racism is to eliminate the difference not create gaps.

Quote from: shawny – on October 30, 2025, 06:56:33 pm

Do you really believe this - If Trump did a similar thing would you call it good policy. Don't bother answering that.

And btw racism is racism regardless of which skin colour is the one being discriminated against

I won't bother answering your Taco question because we have another thread dedicated to the shenanigans of the senile, misogynistic, convicted felon who is making such a balls up of his second go at playing at being POTUS.

Yes, racism isn't confined to folk of a particular skin colour, it's much more than that. 

"Racism is the process by which systems and policies, actions and attitudes create inequitable opportunities and outcomes for people based on race. Racism is more than just prejudice in thought or action. It occurs when this prejudice – whether individual or institutional – is accompanied by the power to discriminate against, oppress or limit the rights of others."

The key point there is that racism is prejudice by those with power over others, such as that exercised by the Chinese government against the Uyghurs and Tibetans.  Ensuring that an ethnic minority has equal access to health care is affirmative action, not racism.

Quote from: DJC – on October 30, 2025, 08:09:11 pm

I won't bother answering your Taco question because we have another thread dedicated to the shenanigans of the senile, misogynistic, convicted felon who is making such a balls up of his second go at playing at being POTUS.

Yes, racism isn't confined to folk of a particular skin colour, it's much more than that. 

"Racism is the process by which systems and policies, actions and attitudes create inequitable opportunities and outcomes for people based on race. Racism is more than just prejudice in thought or action. It occurs when this prejudice – whether individual or institutional – is accompanied by the power to discriminate against, oppress or limit the rights of others."

The key point there is that racism is prejudice by those with power over others, such as that exercised by the Chinese government against the Uyghurs and Tibetans.  Ensuring that an ethnic minority has equal access to health care is affirmative action, not racism.

this is not affirmative action.

If i walk in to this ED and an indigenous bloke walkS in, both with category 4 classification, EXACT SAME ISSUE, he goes first because he's indigenous even though I was triaged before him.  He gets upgraded to category 3.

Effectively they're fast tracked based on race.  Seems fair....

Quote from: DJC – on October 30, 2025, 08:09:11 pm

I won't bother answering your Taco question because we have another thread dedicated to the shenanigans of the senile, misogynistic, convicted felon who is making such a balls up of his second go at playing at being POTUS.

Yes, racism isn't confined to folk of a particular skin colour, it's much more than that. 

"Racism is the process by which systems and policies, actions and attitudes create inequitable opportunities and outcomes for people based on race. Racism is more than just prejudice in thought or action. It occurs when this prejudice – whether individual or institutional – is accompanied by the power to discriminate against, oppress or limit the rights of others."

The key point there is that racism is prejudice by those with power over others, such as that exercised by the Chinese government against the Uyghurs and Tibetans.  Ensuring that an ethnic minority has equal access to health care is affirmative action, not racism.

this is not affirmative action.

If i walk in to this ED and an indigenous bloke walkS in, both with category 4 classification, EXACT SAME ISSUE, he goes first because he's indigenous even though I was triaged before him.  He gets upgraded to category 3.

Effectively they're fast tracked based on race.  Seems fair....