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Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #255 –
The LNP only need to get half a clue and a more effective leadership and that One Nation vote will disappear.
That's a challenge that appears beyond them at the moment.

The One Nation support is largely a reflection of the MAGA vote in the states.
Hanson pushes that theme and connection.
Around 20% is about the mark.
We're trailing a bit behind in Australia and some still think those policies are a recipe for success.
Not here.
And around November, not there either.

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #256 –
They'll do better than you think, a lot of Australians are fed up with the useless nuffies in the two major parties and are looking for options.  Whats the saying, a drowning man will cling to a serpent?
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #257 –
We're a bit of a way off any Federal election
Although if you were Albanese you'd probably want to go while the opposition is in turmoil.
It will be intersting to see how some of the elections and by-elections go in the meantime.

When it comes to a Federal election campaign, the actual quality of the One Nation candidates,especially their leadership will come under increased scrutiny and the current facade will fall apart.
Their candidate selection process is limited and often throws up some real nut jobs.

I suspect many of the folks saying they'd vote 'One Nation'at the moment are doing it as a bit of an "Up Yours" to the major parties, especially the LNP, and a message to get their act together.


Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #258 –
Quote from: Lods – on
The LNP only need to get half a clue and a more effective leadership and that One Nation vote will disappear.
That's a challenge that appears beyond them at the moment.

The One Nation support is largely a reflection of the MAGA vote in the states.
Hanson pushes that theme and connection.
Around 20% is about the mark.
We're trailing a bit behind in Australia and some still think those policies are a recipe for success.
Not here.
And around November, not there either.
I think the One nation popularity is due to the appalling Labour Government and the lack of confidence in their attitude to community safety and woeful economic performance.
It's a far swing to the right out of desperation and frustration with both major parties being seen as incompetent and not listening to mainstream voters.
You add in the Greens who are devoid of any policies other than of the conservation variety and the simplistic policies of Hanson look appealing to voters doing it tough and Hanson's fish and chip shop owner battler image is serving her well vs the well heeled polly's with their property portfolios etc.

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #259 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
One nation voters seem to be multiplying at an eponential rate in some circles. Could be a somewhat genuine 3rd part alternative to libs and ALP and suprise a few.
Most of those LNP or One Nation surveys are being driven by surveys taken in the tropics, where rodeos or B&S balls dominate the landscape, it only becomes a problem when the major parties are hung. Which is another reason why at the moment they are self-destructing, because they've lost the power of influence, so they have become reactive.

They aren't really growing a base, they are just changing the split of what they already have.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #260 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
I think the One nation popularity is due to the appalling Labour Government and the lack of confidence in their attitude to community safety and woeful economic performance.
I think the constant negativity from the opposition is wearing thin with the public, the criticisms are losing their impact in the absence of policy.

People may well vote the government out, but it's not a result of anything the opposition have said, it's because of stupid mistakes the government make.

Not much of an LNP base south of the border in Mexico(Vic), not much of a base down there with the Steak Press Lady and Bannanabe having pretty much zero influence.

FWIW, the same negativity thing is happening to RedTrump at the moment, his base is eroding because people are over the negativity in the absence of delivering real world benefits. Hollow promises fall dead, hollow threats mean nothing to smart people.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #261 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
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I think the One nation popularity is due to the appalling Labour Government and the lack of confidence in their attitude to community safety and woeful economic performance.
It's a far swing to the right out of desperation and frustration with both major parties being seen as incompetent and not listening to mainstream voters.
You add in the Greens who are devoid of any policies other than of the conservation variety and the simplistic policies of Hanson look appealing to voters doing it tough and Hanson's fish and chip shop owner battler image.
[/quote]

It's not all about # votes it's where they are that matters. Greens are socialist, which doesn't work in a society that is asking 'what about me?'. Hanson speaks to many different prejudices, like MAGA does, so it is easy to find a platform that suits.

Hanson is probably worth well over 10 million - doing well to maintain battler image. Still yet to contribute anything positive or meaningful to Parliament.

As a curiosity, what is the woeful economic performance - I assume you are referring to Feds? (Vic is blindingly obvious to all!)

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #262 –
Jacinta will lose Victoria for the feds
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #263 –
Quote from: Lods – on
The LNP only need to get half a clue and a more effective leadership and that One Nation vote will disappear.
That's a challenge that appears beyond them at the moment.

The One Nation support is largely a reflection of the MAGA vote in the states.
Hanson pushes that theme and connection.
Around 20% is about the mark.
We're trailing a bit behind in Australia and some still think those policies are a recipe for success.
Not here.
And around November, not there either.
thats how Trump got in.

Don't underestimate an up yours vote. 
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #264 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
Quote from: Lods – on
The LNP only need to get half a clue and a more effective leadership and that One Nation vote will disappear.
That's a challenge that appears beyond them at the moment.

The One Nation support is largely a reflection of the MAGA vote in the states.
Hanson pushes that theme and connection.
Around 20% is about the mark.
We're trailing a bit behind in Australia and some still think those policies are a recipe for success.
Not here.
And around November, not there either.
thats how Trump got in.

Don't underestimate an up yours vote. 
Yep Trump got in because Americans doing it tough got desperate enough to try any alternative and again he promised simplistic solutions to difficult problems. I think it was John Lennon who said in reference to the TV band "The Monkees"people will buy anything if you market it well enough or words to that effect..
 

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #265 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Quote from: Thryleon – on
thats how Trump got in.

Don't underestimate an up yours vote. 
Yep Trump got in because Americans doing it tough got desperate enough to try any alternative and again he promised simplistic solutions to difficult problems. I think it was John Lennon who said in reference to the TV band "The Monkees"people will buy anything if you market it well enough or words to that effect..

What's wrong with the Monkees >:(


Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #266 –
Quote from: Lods – on
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on

Yep Trump got in because Americans doing it tough got desperate enough to try any alternative and again he promised simplistic solutions to difficult problems. I think it was John Lennon who said in reference to the TV band "The Monkees"people will buy anything if you market it well enough or words to that effect..

What's wrong with the Monkees >:(



Lennon actually liked them as a comedy act and was a fan of their TV stuff but didnt see them as serious musicians...unlike somebody I know🤔😀

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #267 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Quote from: Lods – on


What's wrong with the Monkees >:(



Lennon actually liked them as a comedy act and was a fan of their TV stuff but didnt see them as serious musicians...unlike somebody I know🤔😀

It's all relative isn't it.
If you'd asked many people when they first heard the Beatles you probably would have got catchy, but it's not 'serious' music.

And it often comes down to personal choice.
Lennon likened the Monkees to the Marx Brothers, and loved the TV show.
It was a commercial exercise no doubt, and the music was aimed for a wide range of fans

But commercial isn't really a bad thing.
18,000,000 albums sold tells me I'm probably not Robinson Crusoe.
I've only got three of those :D
Funny thing is I was playing Monkee youtube clips yesterday.

While session musicians played on their early work they weren't Robinson Crusoe in that respect either.
Session musicians played on a lot of the music of that era.
Jimmy Page probably played on more hits as a session musician than he did with the Yardbirds and Led Zeppelin

Once they gained control of their music the Monkees then played on records and concert tours.
Nesmith was a very good guitarist.
Tork could play lead guitar, bass and keyboard. He actually played banjo on a George Harrison project.
Dolenz was a guitarist who switched to drumming.

Google top seeling bands of the 60s and you'll probably find the Monkees there.
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But we're getting off track so we'll find another thread for the music stuff and get back to the law and order.

I see the current surge in One Nation popularity as something akin to the "Joh for Canberra" push.
It'll die in the backside after it comes under a bit of pressure and folks, look deeper and really have to make a choice on support.
It also fills a void while the Libs and Nats are in such disarray.

One Nation may be seen to keep some undesirables out of the country...but will they bring your grocery prices down.

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #268 –
Quote from: Lods – on
One Nation may be seen to keep some undesirables out of the country...but will they bring your grocery prices down.

Don't you mean keep some undesirables in the country?  ;)
"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #269 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Quote from: Lods – on
One Nation may be seen to keep some undesirables out of the country...but will they bring your grocery prices down.

Don't you mean keep some undesirables in the country?  ;)

Bit of both. :D
(I meant to put 'undesirables' in inverted commas.)

The problem is they'd probably keep a whole lot of really desirables out of the country as well.
Their Law and Order ideas seem to focus mostly on immigrant crime, especially assaults.
That's where the problems solely lie to their way of thinking.

Their platforms and policies are far too limited and narrowly focussed for them to form a working Government.
The may pick up the odd lower house seat.
I suspect everyone will preference against them there though.
Their real hope for success may be in the senate, but even there the number of states where they could get a position will be limited.