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Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #360 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
Compelling.  Thought this belonged here more than anywhere else.  Remember this when people start bashing numbers at you.
It's the tool that the media and politicians have used for years, cherry-picking the frame of reference to make the numbers look good or bad.

Media will do it deliberately 100% of the time, if not the reporter the editor, and they have no intention of substantiating the report with unfiltered hard numbers, they only ever provide a subset. Yet the same media happily accuse scientists and scientific publications of distorting the figures, sound familiar?

btw., In R&D or fundamental science they have a term that relates to this, it's called P-Hacking, and if you are a career scientist or engineer who gets caught doing it your career is over! If the media or a politician does it they just do it again, some even become more extreme!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #361 –
Quote from: DJC – on
I would take anything Senator James Paterson says with a grain of salt.

The former immigration detainees were granted Criminal Justice Visas; a standard procedure when immigration detainees are charged with criminal offences or required to give evidence in a trial.  Depending on the outcome of the court cases, the former detainees will be imprisoned and then deported or returned to immigration detention, then deported.
Yes, and in the context of @Thryleon referencing statistical fraud, the media and politicians like Hanson try to paint it as a tidal wave of criminals using legal loopholes, when in reality it might be a fraction of 1% in many tens of thousands.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"
 

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #362 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
James Paterson and Andrew Bragg are two of the better performed Liberal Senators imo and yep I know their job as the Libs attack dogs is to drag up dirt on anything Labor do/dont do but the reality is this present Government are great at serving up themselves up on a plate,making mistake after mistake and then trying to cover it up. Letting detainees back into the public who have been charged with serious crimes is horrendous imo and lacking common sense much like giving ISIS brides Passports to come back to Australia and then trying to cover it up and deny giving assistance...
Paterson usually gets it right imo and while he can be over the top wanting detail and pedantic about scoring political points Id rather that than letting these incidents be covered up and buried by the Government..

That's why the Libs are in the doldrums!

A Criminal Justice Visa is granted by the Department of Home Affairs so that an immigration detainee can be kept in the country to face charges.  It's routine and there's nothing unusual or untoward about this.  They were granted bail by the court, as is usually the case for non-violent offenders who aren't flight risks.  The Government doesn't determine who gets bail.

The ISIS brides are Australian citizens and the Australian Government has no choice but to issue them with replacement passports.  It's the law.

Paterson doesn't get things right.  He fakes outrage over part of the story and ignores the facts.


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Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #363 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
James Paterson and Andrew Bragg are two of the better performed Liberal Senators imo and yep I know their job as the Libs attack dogs is to drag up dirt on anything Labor do/dont do but the reality is this present Government are great at serving up themselves up on a plate,making mistake after mistake and then trying to cover it up. Letting detainees back into the public who have been charged with serious crimes is horrendous imo and lacking common sense much like giving ISIS brides Passports to come back to Australia and then trying to cover it up and deny giving assistance...
Paterson usually gets it right imo and while he can be over the top wanting detail and pedantic about scoring political points Id rather that than letting these incidents be covered up and buried by the Government..

That's why the Libs are in the doldrums!

A Criminal Justice Visa is granted by the Department of Home Affairs so that an immigration detainee can be kept in the country to face charges.  It's routine and there's nothing unusual or untoward about this.  They were granted bail by the court, as is usually the case for non-violent offenders who aren't flight risks.  The Government doesn't determine who gets bail.

The ISIS brides are Australian citizens and the Australian Government has no choice but to issue them with replacement passports.  It's the law.

Paterson doesn't get things right.  He fakes outrage over part of the story and ignores the facts.



Non Violent Offenders/Flight risk?....one from a neighbouring country has connections to a criminal bikie gang and the other main offender is an Indian National, Id view both as risks to leave the country...
The ISIS brides are extremists and a threat to the community imo and the Minister has the power to issue exclusion orders..
 Under section 17 return permits can be revoked "on the Minister's own initiative".
What this means practically is that Australian citizens could, technically, be banned from returning indefinitely which Is what should happen but Tony Burke has promised his Dr mate he will let them back in and wont act in the interests of the country
Paterson was on the money exposing the whole mess but unfortunately it seems NSW and Victoria will be having to re-house and pay for these Terrorist Brides to live amongst us...