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Compelling.  Thought this belonged here more than anywhere else.  Remember this when people start bashing numbers at you.

I would take anything Senator James Paterson says with a grain of salt.

The former immigration detainees were granted Criminal Justice Visas; a standard procedure when immigration detainees are charged with criminal offences or required to give evidence in a trial.  Depending on the outcome of the court cases, the former detainees will be imprisoned and then deported or returned to immigration detention, then deported.

James Paterson and Andrew Bragg are two of the better performed Liberal Senators imo and yep I know their job as the Libs attack dogs is to drag up dirt on anything Labor do/dont do but the reality is this present Government are great at serving up themselves up on a plate,making mistake after mistake and then trying to cover it up. Letting detainees back into the public who have been charged with serious crimes is horrendous imo and lacking common sense much like giving ISIS brides Passports to come back to Australia and then trying to cover it up and deny giving assistance...
Paterson usually gets it right imo and while he can be over the top wanting detail and pedantic about scoring political points Id rather that than letting these incidents be covered up and buried by the Government..

Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on February 28, 2026, 12:59:17 pm

James Paterson and Andrew Bragg are two of the better performed Liberal Senators imo and yep I know their job as the Libs attack dogs is to drag up dirt on anything Labor do/dont do but the reality is this present Government are great at serving up themselves up on a plate,making mistake after mistake and then trying to cover it up. Letting detainees back into the public who have been charged with serious crimes is horrendous imo and lacking common sense much like giving ISIS brides Passports to come back to Australia and then trying to cover it up and deny giving assistance...
Paterson usually gets it right imo and while he can be over the top wanting detail and pedantic about scoring political points Id rather that than letting these incidents be covered up and buried by the Government..

That's why the Libs are in the doldrums!

A Criminal Justice Visa is granted by the Department of Home Affairs so that an immigration detainee can be kept in the country to face charges.  It's routine and there's nothing unusual or untoward about this.  They were granted bail by the court, as is usually the case for non-violent offenders who aren't flight risks.  The Government doesn't determine who gets bail.

The ISIS brides are Australian citizens and the Australian Government has no choice but to issue them with replacement passports.  It's the law.

Paterson doesn't get things right.  He fakes outrage over part of the story and ignores the facts.

Non Violent Offenders/Flight risk?....one from a neighbouring country has connections to a criminal bikie gang and the other main offender is an Indian National, Id view both as risks to leave the country...
The ISIS brides are extremists and a threat to the community imo and the Minister has the power to issue exclusion orders..
 Under section 17 return permits can be revoked "on the Minister's own initiative".
What this means practically is that Australian citizens could, technically, be banned from returning indefinitely which Is what should happen but Tony Burke has promised his Dr mate he will let them back in and wont act in the interests of the country
Paterson was on the money exposing the whole mess but unfortunately it seems NSW and Victoria will be having to re-house and pay for these Terrorist Brides to live amongst us...

Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on February 28, 2026, 03:57:41 pm

Non Violent Offenders/Flight risk?....one from a neighbouring country has connections to a criminal bikie gang and the other main offender is an Indian National, Id view both as risks to leave the country...
The ISIS brides are extremists and a threat to the community imo and the Minister has the power to issue exclusion orders..
 Under section 17 return permits can be revoked "on the Minister's own initiative".
What this means practically is that Australian citizens could, technically, be banned from returning indefinitely which Is what should happen but Tony Burke has promised his Dr mate he will let them back in and wont act in the interests of the country
Paterson was on the money exposing the whole mess but unfortunately it seems NSW and Victoria will be having to re-house and pay for these Terrorist Brides to live amongst us...

So how do you get them to court without a Criminal Justice Visa?

These procedures have been in operation for many years under governments of both persuasions.  Do you expect the current government to ignore the law?

As for Ene, I’m pretty sure that a judge can’t refuse bail on the grounds that the accused’s brother is a bikie.  I’m also pretty sure that (a) Singh isn’t keen on returning to India and (b) the bail conditions will prevent him trying.

I don’t think there’s a one size fits all solution to the ISIS brides and their children.  A child married at 14 probably deserves different treatment to an adult who still supports ISIS.  But that doesn’t change the Australian government’s obligation to provide citizens with replacement passports. 

Furthermore, ASIO would be all over whether any of these women and children present a security threat.  I’m inclined to go with their assessment over Peta Credlin’s.

The goverment prevented a professional tennis player entering the country because he wouldnt take a vaccine but cant find a way to prevent ISIS sympathises who left on their own accord back onto our shores as its un lawfull. really?

Our PM provided his usual lip service after the Bondi terror attack saying he would make any changes needed to keep us safe yet as usual when it comes to the crunch he lies diverts and fails to act.

Yet people are still surprised with one nations rapid support.

The public have had a gutful of the current party.

Sorry Shawny but you’re not the public and I think you’ll find that the sensible centre has had a gutful of extremist claims, be they right or left.

As with the CFMEU $15-30Bn beat up, none of this stands up to scrutiny.  The Government, regardless of its persuasion, has to comply with the law. 

But let’s celebrate yet another right wing terrorist being arrested by the WA Joint Counter Terrorism Team before he could implement his deadly plan.  I suspect that these wannabe Nazis present a much greater threat than the ISIS brides and their children.  Where’s the outrage at these terrorists?