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Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #405 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
It's grievance politics all the way down.
When you look at the grievances in detail, they are as diverse as the rainbow, the only commonality is that everybody has one!

Look at the commentary in today's right wing media and political coverage, the Hanson boosters are conflating the funding of Islamic infrastructure with those mourning the fall of Tehran's tyrant. The media and some political commentary paints the usual "They are all the same" picture. Of course if questioned they deny deny deny, but they are happy to make the inference, as is Hanson.

That is not democracy, never was, and never will be!

The end does not justify any means, and the end may not be what is implied by the speaker or inferred by the audience, they are frequently weasel words that get exposed by actions.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #406 –
As an aside.

Do we think it's a coincidence political and social debate ramps up in the lead up to or fallout from our games?
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #407 –
Quote from: LP – on
When you look at the grievances in detail, they are as diverse as the rainbow, the only commonality is that everybody has one!..................

There's nothing diverse about the grievances from Hanson / One Nation. Look through 30 years of her and the party's public and political life. Not only are those grievances historically and internally consistent, they map very closely to far right / populist parties and individuals all over the globe.

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #408 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
There's nothing diverse about the grievances from Hanson / One Nation. Look through 30 years of her and the party's public and political life. Not only are those grievances historically and internally consistent, they map very closely to far right / populist parties and individuals all over the globe.
I was primarily referring to the voters not the politicians, in the voter demographic the grievances are non-aligned, but they all have one!

That is the politics of grievance Hanson plays up to, it's that same inclusive media rhetoric I described, the they and them versus us language. Her own declarations and policies are nothing more than a net casting as broadly as possible.

It's right not to underestimate her, but it's naive to think she could ever bring something better or greater than more pain.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #409 –
Quote from: LP – on
I was primarily referring to the voters not the politicians, in the voter demographic the grievances are non-aligned, but they all have one!........................................................

The grievances are consistent from party to party, by and large. One Nation voters would either be rusted on, or be dissatisfied with the major parties, or subscribe to one of the many flavors of anti immigration rhetoric, or whining about restrictions on their " freedom.", be "Australia First", (whatever that means) etc. You may quibble about how each of those reasons is different from the other, but as a group, they present very consistently across the globe for these far right populist types.

People having different reasons for voting for this or that party is nothing new or unique, nor is the idea that politicians would cast as a wide a net as possible to attract votes.

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #410 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
People having different reasons for voting for this or that party is nothing new or unique, nor is the idea that politicians would cast as a wide a net as possible to attract votes.
Correct, this isn't new, you've read about it all before in history! It wasn't a valid reason for the voter swing back then and it isn't now, those who vote will still be dullards today as they were throughout the early 1900s, and the 2020s!

We should be more resistant given voting is compulsory, I suppose someone will assert the election was stolen if they fail to win, because their own view is also everybody's!

How do Sovcits even vote given they are required to give a name and address?
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #411 –
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/police-respond-to-incident-at-melbourne-railway-station-20260306-p5o8ar.html

Machettes were involved again. Word is the 22 YO deceased man was not part of the initial fight between the teenagers but stepped in to try to deescalate things. Terrible and reality is 3 out 4 are under 18 so very likely will be out on bail walking the streets in coming days.

Police station is literally 300m from where this occurred but due to cuts is no longer manned 24hr.
 

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #412 –
Quote from: shawny – on
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/police-respond-to-incident-at-melbourne-railway-station-20260306-p5o8ar.html

Machettes were involved again. Word is the 22 YO deceased man was not part of the initial fight between the teenagers but stepped in to try to deescalate things. Terrible and reality is 3 out 4 are under 18 so very likely will be out on bail walking the streets in coming days.

Police station is literally 300m from where this occurred but due to cuts is no longer manned 24hr.

I was coming home from the f1 on that very train line an hour after that happened and got off a couple stops before then.
Had my 10yo with me.

Word i had was the 22yo was a security guard, but not sure.

They have arrested 4 people 16-18yos for the murder.

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #413 –
Quote from: shawny – on
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/police-respond-to-incident-at-melbourne-railway-station-20260306-p5o8ar.html

Machettes were involved again. Word is the 22 YO deceased man was not part of the initial fight between the teenagers but stepped in to try to deescalate things. Terrible and reality is 3 out 4 are under 18 so very likely will be out on bail walking the streets in coming days.

Police station is literally 300m from where this occurred but due to cuts is no longer manned 24hr.
 
Victorias debt is now 160 billion and goes up every hour by 1 million dollars plus. There is a shortfall of police numbers of about 1500 forcing the closing of Police Stations. Recruitment can't keep pace with demand, the crims are winning.
Only way out for Victoria is if the Federal Government bail out the Allan Government but Albo doesn't want to know and said he is responsible for his budget so no help there.

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #414 –
According to Time Out, Shanghai, Edinburgh, London and New York are in the top five for the world's best cites, but the champion of the Best Cities list for 2026 is Melbourne.

Who'da thunk it!
"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #415 –
Quote from: DJC – on
According to Time Out, Shanghai, Edinburgh, London and New York are in the top five for the world's best cites, but the champion of the Best Cities list for 2026 is Melbourne.

Who'da thunk it!

I saw that a couple of days ago.

It seems as though the methodology of that survey is not, shall we say, particularly robust. Possible more for sh1ts and giggles than anything else. What is important IMO, is that across a range of different surveys / analyses from different institutions, Melbourne is constantly ranked near the top, as the 2nd half of this article shows.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2026/mar/11/time-out-melbourne-best-city-world

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #416 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
Quote from: DJC – on
According to Time Out, Shanghai, Edinburgh, London and New York are in the top five for the world's best cites, but the champion of the Best Cities list for 2026 is Melbourne.

Who'da thunk it!

I saw that a couple of days ago.

It seems as though the methodology of that survey is not, shall we say, particularly robust. Possible more for sh1ts and giggles than anything else. What is important IMO, is that across a range of different surveys / analyses from different institutions, Melbourne is constantly ranked near the top, as the 2nd half of this article shows.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2026/mar/11/time-out-melbourne-best-city-world
living off past glories IMHO.

Perhaps these lists arent what they're cracked up to be.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #417 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
Quote from: PaulP – on


I saw that a couple of days ago.

It seems as though the methodology of that survey is not, shall we say, particularly robust. Possible more for sh1ts and giggles than anything else. What is important IMO, is that across a range of different surveys / analyses from different institutions, Melbourne is constantly ranked near the top, as the 2nd half of this article shows.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2026/mar/11/time-out-melbourne-best-city-world
living off past glories IMHO.

Perhaps these lists arent what they're cracked up to be.

Yep....hard to get up to the minute information on every city around the world and collate it in a meaningful way.
A lot of the data is reused from days past.
 

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #418 –
In reality if we focus on crime it is as high or even higher in most other locations, crime is a focus of some / many locals but it would be only a part of the assessment, and compared to most competing international locations we have almost no crime. And we certainly have next to nothing compared to New York, London, Edinburgh and Shanghai.

I've spent a lot of time in Shanghai, and the only people killing more individuals than the crooks would have been the authorities, it a demonstrative case that arbitrary capital punishment fixes nothing. If anything, it just makes the crooks more reactive.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #419 –
I guess if you surveyed the wealthy inner trendy Melbourne suburbs about the nightlife, arts , food, culture etc they would give it a big tick. I reckon if it was Melton, Caroline Springs, Dandenong, Franga etc you might get a different set of results.
Bit like surveying Queensland in places like Maryborough, Lockyer, Ipswich West, Tablelands,  for the preferred Prime Minister of Australia and Pauline being the clear winner....