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Why is it there is 350 plus pages on this site relating to a leader of a country on the other side of the world that most say is unfit to serve and any alternative is an improvement over him yet here in our own backyard when faced with an equally corrupt government and one that in this case directly affects their own families have a different theory on replacing a government.

The old 'they are all the same or pick your poison' is used to try and cast doubts on the new incoming party instead of calling the current inept corrupt party for what they are and saying they deserve to be replaced.

It wouldn't be they are bias - Nah surely not  

Quote from: shawny – on November 11, 2026, 03:07:08 pm

Why is it there is 350 plus pages on this site relating to a leader of a country on the other side of the world that most say is unfit to serve and any alternative is an improvement over him yet here in our own backyard when faced with an equally corrupt government and one that in this case directly affects their own families have a different theory on replacing a government.

The old 'they are all the same or pick your poison' is used to try and cast doubts on the new incoming party instead of calling the current inept corrupt party for what they are and saying they deserve to be replaced.

It wouldn't be they are bias - Nah surely not  

The simple answer is that there is a senile malignant narcissist with the nuclear codes in the White House.  A fool who has disrupted world trade with his tariffs and tanked the global economy with his illegal war in Iran.

Our pollies, of all persuasions, are constrained by more effective constitution and electoral system and aren't really able to do much damage, particularly at an international level.

And you would have to be joking to suggest that any past or present Australian government, even the notorious Bjelke-Petersen government, comes anywhere near the nepotism, cronyism, incompetence, grifting and disregard for the rule of law displayed by POTUS #45 amd #47.

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And you would have to be joking to suggest that any past or present Australian government, even the notorious Bjelke-Petersen government, comes anywhere near the nepotism, cronyism, incompetence, grifting and disregard for the rule of law displayed by POTUS #45 amd #47.

Quote from: DJC – on November 11, 2026, 06:02:02 pm

The simple answer is that there is a senile malignant narcissist with the nuclear codes in the White House.  A fool who has disrupted world trade with his tariffs and tanked the global economy with his illegal war in Iran.

Our pollies, of all persuasions, are constrained by more effective constitution and electoral system and aren't really able to do much damage, particularly at an international level.

And you would have to be joking to suggest that any past or present Australian government, even the notorious Bjelke-Petersen government, comes anywhere near the nepotism, cronyism, incompetence, grifting and disregard for the rule of law displayed by POTUS #45 amd #47.

So what your saying is that theory is based on how the current party is viewed?

Quote from: shawny – on November 11, 2026, 06:14:43 pm

So what your saying is that theory is based on how the current party is viewed?

The fact of the matter is that you have an idiosyncratic view of Australian politics but assume that many people agree with that view. 

Our system of government has checks and balances, and a responsive electorate, that mean that we will never have to put up with the incompetence and megalomania that's made the USA a global laughing stock ... but a very dangerous laughing stock.

Give it up mate and just have the balls to admit your views are skewed like most of us are.

Quote from: DJC – on November 11, 2026, 07:11:27 pm

The fact of the matter is that you have an idiosyncratic view of Australian politics but assume that many people agree with that view. 

Our system of government has checks and balances, and a responsive electorate, that mean that we will never have to put up with the incompetence and megalomania that's made the USA a global laughing stock ... but a very dangerous laughing stock.

If anyone is a laughing stock with that statement....

You are that rusted on that you want us to believe our system prevents corrupt politicians simply as your party is the one with all the allegations of corruption! Funny that.

Yet despite having this rock solid system here we are at the start of a Royal commission costing tax payers money we don't have, representing Mr Andrews and Mrs Allan for all the corruption allegations ...

Give it up mate and just have the balls to admit your views are skewed like most of us are.

Quote from: shawny – on November 11, 2026, 07:37:31 pm

If anyone is a laughing stock with that statement....

You are that rusted on that you want us to believe our system prevents corrupt politicians simply as your party is the one with all the allegations of corruption! Funny that.

Yet despite having this rock solid system here we are at the start of a Royal commission costing tax payers money we don't have, representing Mr Andrews and Mrs Allan for all the corruption allegations ...

Give it up mate and just have the balls to admit your views are skewed like most of us are.

Which party is my party Shawny?

For the record, I have never been a member of any political party and have voted for Labor, Liberal, Australian Democrats, and independent candidates.  Vote Compass says I’m right of centre.

I was talking to an RSL mate at our Remembrance Day commemoration today and he just happens to be our local One Nation candidate.  He’s pretty switched on and I think that he would be a decent local member.  I can’t vote for him because his party is based on racism and bigotry, has no policies, and is owned by Gina Rinehart. 

Another mate is running as an independent candidate and she is far and away the most intelligent and well-educated in the field.  She’d be a great MP but, realistically, has no chance.  I could vote for her, knowing that my vote would go to my second preference.

I didn’t speak to the sitting State MP today - the Commonwealth MP told me that I looked “sharp”! - but she is very popular and will probably retain the seat. 

The Liberal candidate seems to have accepted that outcome and is doing an excellent impression of the invisible man.  The Greens candidate just makes up the numbers.

The thing is that I have worked with every Victorian State Government from Henry Bolte to Denis Napthine, and have briefed and advised Labor, Liberal and Nationals Ministers in the Bracks/Brumby and Baillieu/Napthine governments.  Some were risk averse, some were “courageous” as Sir Humphrey Appleby would say, some acted on advice, others wanted the advice to fit their agenda, all were driven and believed in what they were doing, and there was only ever one hint of corruption; a planning minister ignored departmental advice and approved a development that was later overturned on appeal.  This was all in the days before IBAC but the Auditor-General and Ombudsman still kept a very tight rein.

I’m sure that nobody really gives a fat rat’s clacker about your bizarre political beliefs, or mine for that matter, but don’t presume that you know anything about my politics, or how the State Government is run.  Right wing conspiracy theories aren’t real, and neither are the left wing equivalents.

Quote from: DJC – on November 11, 2026, 10:39:29 pm

Which party is my party Shawny?

For the record, I have never been a member of any political party and have voted for Labor, Liberal, Australian Democrats, and independent candidates.  Vote Compass says I’m right of centre.

I was talking to an RSL mate at our Remembrance Day commemoration today and he just happens to be our local One Nation candidate.  He’s pretty switched on and I think that he would be a decent local member.  I can’t vote for him because his party is based on racism and bigotry, has no policies, and is owned by Gina Rinehart. 

Another mate is running as an independent candidate and she is far and away the most intelligent and well-educated in the field.  She’d be a great MP but, realistically, has no chance.  I could vote for her, knowing that my vote would go to my second preference.

I didn’t speak to the sitting State MP today - the Commonwealth MP told me that I looked “sharp”! - but she is very popular and will probably retain the seat. 

The Liberal candidate seems to have accepted that outcome and is doing an excellent impression of the invisible man.  The Greens candidate just makes up the numbers.

The thing is that I have worked with every Victorian State Government from Henry Bolte to Denis Napthine, and have briefed and advised Labor, Liberal and Nationals Ministers in the Bracks/Brumby and Baillieu/Napthine governments.  Some were risk averse, some were “courageous” as Sir Humphrey Appleby would say, some acted on advice, others wanted the advice to fit their agenda, all were driven and believed in what they were doing, and there was only ever one hint of corruption; a planning minister ignored departmental advice and approved a development that was later overturned on appeal.  This was all in the days before IBAC but the Auditor-General and Ombudsman still kept a very tight rein.

I’m sure that nobody really gives a fat rat’s clacker about your bizarre political beliefs, or mine for that matter, but don’t presume that you know anything about my politics, or how the State Government is run.  Right wing conspiracy theories aren’t real, and neither are the left wing equivalents.

Seeing you dodged my point i will do the same on that long winded spin reply about nothing.

Have you noticed the Big build royal commission going on?

Or do you refuse to acknowledge it because its the labour government being accused of corruption? 

Pretend the same inquiry was with Trump instead....  Would be 50 pages written on it if the names were swapped.

 

Cheques and balances   

Quote from: shawny – on November 12, 2026, 02:43:12 pm

Seeing you dodged my point i will do the same on that long winded spin reply about nothing.

Have you noticed the Big build royal commission going on?

Or do you refuse to acknowledge it because its the labour government being accused of corruption? 

Pretend the same inquiry was with Trump instead....  Would be 50 pages written on it if the names were swapped.

 

Cheques and balances   

You really need to think before you post nonsense Shawny ... and you need to stop trying to deflect with continual references to Taco in this thread and continual references to Australian governments in the Taco thread.  They're completely separate issues ... and threads. 

It is the Royal Commission into the Integrity of Major Public and Civil Infrastructure Construction Projects in Victoria.  It was called by the State Labor Government "to inquire into and report on matters relating to corruption, criminal conduct and serious misconduct on or in relation to major construction projects in Victoria."  The allegations that prompted the Royal Commission concerned corruption and criminal conduct by the CFMEU and construction companies and poor oversight by government agencies and, potentially, the Government.  The Commission is in the first week of its first block of public hearings and, to be perfectly honest, it hasn't even begun to warm up.

Quote from: DJC – on November 12, 2026, 08:07:25 pm

You really need to think before you post nonsense Shawny ... and you need to stop trying to deflect with continual references to Taco in this thread and continual references to Australian governments in the Taco thread.  They're completely separate issues ... and threads. 

It is the Royal Commission into the Integrity of Major Public and Civil Infrastructure Construction Projects in Victoria.  It was called by the State Labor Government "to inquire into and report on matters relating to corruption, criminal conduct and serious misconduct on or in relation to major construction projects in Victoria."  The allegations that prompted the Royal Commission concerned corruption and criminal conduct by the CFMEU and construction companies and poor oversight by government agencies and, potentially, the Government.  The Commission is in the first week of its first block of public hearings and, to be perfectly honest, it hasn't even begun to warm up.

this happened on Labor watch, and its an exercise in damage control 6 months out from an election.

Quote from: Thryleon – on Today at 12:09:13 am

this happened on Labor watch, and its an exercise in damage control 6 months out from an election.

Public hearings started in the same month as the election and will erode any support that the ALP may still have.  The report should be handed down well into the first year of the new government who will be able to use it to their advantage.  Damage control would have been calling the commission far earlier and retaining management of the report.

I’d say that it’s more like self-inflicted, terminal damage.