Carlton Supporters Club

Quote from: cookie2 – on April 06, 2014, 10:43:35 pm

Quote from: BigJack – on April 06, 2014, 10:36:02 pm

Melbourne will give themselves a chance next week, as I reckon we'd just be able to roll Peel Thunder right now ..

Yep, as they say on here sometimes.....Danger Game.

For Melbourne......

The coach is not the be all and end all but he has to be held accountable for performances like that. Coming off 2 losses with a season defining type of match and we didn't turn up mentally. Not one or two but everyone. Something is seriously wrong and it wasn't that wrong before Malthouse got here.

Quote from: Lods – on April 06, 2014, 10:41:36 pm

I don't think it's a list issue.
This is essentially the same group that contested finals in recent years.
Even allowing for the fact other teams might go past them it doesn't make them lesser footballers than they were in finals years.
There was a very brief point in this game where we more than matched them.
Same happened in the first two games.
When the team is on they can do the job.

A few of our players are  suffering from injury interrupted pre-seasons and some are just dreadfully out of form but......
They look disinterested and unmotivated for long periods, yet they can turn on a good period for ten minutes or so and look great.
Skills and decision making are terrible at times, yet at other times they do the freakish.

Bruce said it.....when they're good, they're very good (irresistible).....when they're bad they're pathetic.
....and that makes it largely an application issue.
and the folk responsible for that side of things are the coaching group.

Too true, but don't forget a coach doesn't make an athlete look good. A great athlete makes a coach look great. Its as though the coaching group can't get the best motivation to make the application work. Look at what Hird the Turd gets out of his group. Not due to fear, but due to respect. Maybe the squad hate and fear the coaching group. Maybe our list doesn't suit our coaching group, so there has to be an attitude change from both sides, or the 2 need to part ways. Some of our players and many to be exact are just chumps to be honest. Just look at the players that have moved on and what they have really produced at other clubs. We draft and pick 2nd class and watch them pull blinders from time to time. The ones we dump never really amount to much. The ones we keep never amount to much either. So there is another issue we have. We try to make champions from "C" class players with a small few "A" class players. Poor list, poor coaching group = crap results. We are just crap on every level.

The whole club needs an enema from the board down, it is so full of crap it isn't funny anymore.

Quote from: BigJack – on April 06, 2014, 10:16:40 pm

We are still the same one way lazy river.
With dead branches, the ilk of : Warnock Kreuzer Murphy Walker Robinson Curnow Gibbs Garlett Ellard Carrazzo floating aimlessly downstream.

First game back and got 11 clearances, twice as many as anyone from either side.

Too true, but don't forget a coach doesn't make an athlete look good. A great athlete makes a coach look great. Its as though the coaching group can't get the best motivation to make the application work. Look at what Hird the Turd gets out of his group. Not due to fear, but due to respect. Maybe the squad hate and fear the coaching group. Maybe our list doesn't suit our coaching group, so there has to be an attitude change from both sides, or the 2 need to part ways. Some of our players and many to be exact are just chumps to be honest. Just look at the players that have moved on and what they have really produced at other clubs. We draft and pick 2nd class and watch them pull blinders from time to time. The ones we dump never really amount to much. The ones we keep never amount to much either. So there is another issue we have. We try to make champions from "C" class players with a small few "A" class players. Poor list, poor coaching group = crap results. We are just crap on every level.

The options are:

1. Extraordinary Meeting now - 100 signatures - we need a ticket to be formed roll the entire Board
2. Ask the AFL to step in and appoint an independent person to clean the Board and Administration - some one like Jackson who went to Melbourne
3. I say 1 and 2, because we cannot trust the succession plan and the present Carlton Board personnel to make the right decisions. We know the Board is loaded with factions...probably 3 factions.

The whole club needs an enema from the board down, it is so full of crap it isn't funny anymore.

Quote from: townsendcalling – on April 06, 2014, 10:40:17 pm

Quote from: BigJack – on April 06, 2014, 10:16:40 pm

We are still the same one way lazy river.
With dead branches, the ilk of : Warnock Kreuzer Murphy Walker Robinson Curnow Gibbs Garlett Ellard Carrazzo floating aimlessly downstream.

First game back and got 11 clearances, twice as many as anyone from either side.

Don't be sticking up for Carrazzo if that's what you're trying to do.....so he should have gotten that many clearances with the utter domination of Warnock in the hitouts, but that doesn't make for an acceptable performance. He was as woeful and as ineffective as the rest if them, lead by the weakest, softest, most uninspiring, de-motivating, unnatural captain in the AFL by none.

Quote from: PassIt2Carrots – on April 06, 2014, 10:34:27 pm

The coach is not the be all and end all but he has to be held accountable for performances like that. Coming off 2 losses with a season defining type of match and we didn't turn up mentally. Not one or two but everyone. Something is seriously wrong and it wasn't that wrong before Malthouse got here.

We have always been this good .. We have the same prized cattle out there, difference is now is the opposition know how to roll us over !

Blame or sack the coachall you want, but there's an bigger underlying problem we need to deal with first and that is  .....  THE CLUB !!

We have been folding as a club since Elliot refused to move forward. Collo took hold of the helm and he allowed us to be bent right over and royally cop a shafting. I don't think we have ever recovered mentally, we are scarred and all we have been doing over the past 12 years is applying band aids to a gaping wound.