The AFL incompetence re AFLW grand final venue is breathtaking.
Am I missing something? Any well run organisation would have known the GF location by last weekend including all contingencies/backups etc. And how long ago did Adele perform in QLD?
I'm tipping the Gabba staff put a higher priority on the mens AFL than the womens.
Mens playing there in R2 was probably the reason reseeding the turf after adele. If its not done now, it wont get done once the season starts
You wanted to pay 750k a year for leadership abilities?...you look at GC who picked up Barlow for that reason, half the money, is already in their best players every week(JLT series) and getting the footy 30 times a game...thats what we needed. Mick gave his lovechild a retirement pension after Collingwood's medicos failed Daisy and ours passed him???....and now we are stuck with a player who cant kick 30m, cant run and who will get a game every week due to the large amount of money we are paying him because its too embarassing to have him play for the NB's... We never learn from our mistakes thats part of the reason we remain down the ladder....
I didnt write the cheques, nor condone the cash. That is another conversation.
I suspect the list of senior players with leadership qualities that antedto come to carlton was a rather short one.
With all due respect Krudd, I read the old post a number of times expecting to find reference to you stating back then Daisy was far from his reviosu best. You said you would change a word now but back then, it read like you were suggesting he was performing to his old self. Correct me if I'm wrong, I dont get the purpose of the post otherwise.
That was based off his first game with us. What would turn out to be his kicking issues, wasn't evident from that 1 game. Since then, it's been pretty clear. We've heard his ankle was so bad he had to learn how to walk, run and kick again during his recovery. A player has a bad kick every game. I'm sure Daisy might have had one in that game. Doesn't suggest his kicking would be forever changed. So the 1 word i changed was 'IS' skilled, to 'WAS' skilled. on the back of what has happened since. The rest still rings true today.
DJC, said that it was only clear since Daisy became what he calls a liability, that i started pumping up his leadership qualities. An attempt by him to rewrite history and make out that i'm trying to save face. I called him out on it as that has been evident since the first game i saw him play. Daisy's leadership qualities has been the major reason i have been pumping him up since day 1.
Mods, is it worth giving consideration to merging this thread and the "What are your expectations" thread" ? They started off with a different emphasis, but they seem to be converging.
You've boosted Thomas since the ill-fated decision was made Kruddler. When it was apparent that his best footy was behind him, you started bleating about his leadership and professionalism. You must enjoy flogging dead horses
Now you are flat out lying.
I've already stated my position on him repeatedly.
FWIW, here is my comments on him after watching him in the pre-season match in his first year (warts and all)
First things first... Daisy...i love this kid! He will do for this club what Judd did when he came across. Will set the bar higher based on how he plays and acts. On numerous occasions he was very vocal around the stoppages ensuring everyone was in the right setups. I cannot recall any other player being as vocal. He seems to have picked up our structures better than our current players. I have great faith in him and the new kids could do a lot worse than trying to emulate the way he goes about it.
Of course his footballing ability is definitely worthy of a mention. He brings gut running to another level. Saved a few goals by chasing opponents deep into defence, even when it was not his direct opponent. He goes when he needs to go. He is not selfish. He is quick. He is was skillful. He is everything you want from a footballer. I can see why Mick loves him.
The only thing i'd change about that is highlighted.
Now like is possible with any player, injuries have ruined him. STILL that doesn't change his attitude and leadership qualities which i've backed him on since day dot.
You continue to make $h!t up, and it's getting tiresome. It hasn't worked out, i and everyone else have accepted that. That is through no fault of his own though.
But isn't that the same type of spin you're accusing the player of.... the clear message from Trigg could also be... "We need to buy a bit of time with supporters so we'll lower expectations a bit. We hope we're on the right track but really the only certainties in life are death and taxes."
In all these discussion Kruddler, it's clear you've bought into "What they're cooking!"...and that's fine. But at the end of the day the long slow rebuild process may yield absolutely zilch. It's all a guess and hope situation. Guess the best path and hope for the successful outcome.
I don't know if i've bought into anything they are selling Lods. It just so happens that i've come to the same conclusions as them. We need to rebuild and that takes time. There are no shortcuts and if we end the rebuild part way through, we are in a worse position than had we have stuck it out.
No guarantees that what we are doing will work. However, there is a clear guarantee that what we have done in the past hasn't. So what have we got to lose?
As for Trigg vs Simpson. I challenge you to find a more 'negative' approach to a forthcoming season from a club. Trigg knows its going to be a long year and is trying to push the 'look at our kids - isn't it encouraging?' route. Rather than a 'we'll be pushing for finals' comments. Simpson only knows one way and if he had doubts about the upcoming season, then that probably means every other player on our list has doubts too. I expect Bolton to give belief to the players, even when staring defeat in the eyes. If he cannot do that, then he isn't the right man for the job.
Honestly Paul, what would Simpson know? He's obviously not bothered to read this thread and a couple of others
Find me a player at any club who would say otherwise.
FYI, here is an a quote from Trigg that he sent out today...
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Almost all of our Blues members and supporters will recognise that we’re a younger list again this year. We are continuing to build strong foundations and exposing our youth at an AFL level will bring some inconsistencies at times. That’s the reality of youth. But the other reality is we are developing some real and exciting talent – so we hope that as a member you’ll enjoy seeing that development throughout the season.
How do you interpret that?
To me its a clear message saying its a long road ahead with plenty of youth and thus inconsistency. Enjoy watching the development, as you may not enjoy the scoreboard.
If Thomas is such a wonderful mentor and on field leader, why hasn't he been included in the leadership group?
Clearly, the playing group and coaching panel must have missed Thomas providing the on field direction and leadership that is so evident to some observers
So by the same logic Armfield only learned to be a leader in the off-season then?
Cmon man, you're clutching at straws. Just let it go.
Just wondering how many folk's opinions have been changed by the poor performance in the three JLT matches.
I never put a lot of weight on them.... they are just practice games, but they do shed a bit of light on individuals and we've only had a few standout performers which may have been a disappointment for some expecting a higher ladder position.
Mine hasn't.
I reckon a few might have given the amount of backlash i was getting for even suggesting it was possible.
I saw Thomas pointing a few times, generally after mis-kicking, but no evidence that he was providing any direction whatsoever. Self-preservation has been his primary motive, and that's understandable given expectations and his loss of pace and agility.
It's a nice try Kruddler, but more a product of a vivid imagination than anything approaching reality.
My comments from his first time wearing navy blue are amongst these pages, times stamped for all to see.
He's been doing it from day dot. Just because the high horse sitting DJC can't/won't see something doesn't mean it fictitious. I'm not the only one who has noted that, so perhaps you should investigate your own imagination and reality.
Thomas would be quite valuable to some clubs. His presence on field surrounded by children is underestimated by many Carlton supporters. He knows where to be on the field and when, often gets there despite supporters claiming he's too slow to keep up, and also pretty much does a sole hand directing the beginners where to be and when.
Exactly why i stand up for him.
His ability to individually impact games is not what it used to be, however from the very first game he played in a carlton jumper, his direction out on the field was better than any other bloke out there. For a 1st gamer in a new club, it really showed us how far behind we were as a playing list.
How have you drawn that conclusion? Apart from Gibbs, did we have any negotiations around Murphy, Kreuzer, Thomas, Casboult etc?
Without us knowing either way, I consider it irrelevant. If the list managers have done such a terrible job that we have no one that other clubs are after, then that is worse.
You've answered your own question there.
List managers/recruiters/developers have all been changed in the past few years basically for that reason. Our 'talent' isn't living up to expectation for one reason or another.
So while you consider it irrelevant, i can not agree.
Casboult was signed up very late in the footballing year and only given a 1 year contract. Highly likely that he was up for trade, but nobody wanted him. Rather than try and find someone to take his spot from a rookie list. We keep him on for another year on minimum chips.
Kreuzer has had a world of injuries and has been rumoured to have failed multiple medicals in the years past. Clubs might not want to take the risk like we did with Thomas.
Murphy, for the same reasons. Injury concerns. Clubs would be wary of a club trying to trade out its captain who hasn't played for the last half of the year. If i'm a buyer, that sends off alarm bells.
