The ins are probably those who performed well in the VFL last week. Ben Camporeale the only other one who perhaps deserved a go. So from that point of view they're not surprising selections.
Cincotta out surprises as there are a number of 'run with' roles he could perform Wilson probably should have been given a couple more games.
Yep, very surprising to see Cinc being left out.
I said as much early in the year, but Cinc seems to be rated more by the supporters than the MC. Given his age, i'm not so sure he is in our long term future.
We seem to be going for a more attacking lineup....which may not work out for us
I think it's easy to confuse a perceived difference in tactic with an inability to implement a tactic. Structurally I can't see any real difference between the AFL and VFL game tactics from last weekend, but the tactics are significantly easier to implement against Port Melbourne in the VFL than they are against even a weaker AFL opponent. We can do it in the AFL, but not for 4-qtrs.
Anyone watching Evans and Durdin struggle in the AFL should be acutely aware of that.
Could Cowan and Carroll do in the AFL what they did in the VFL for 4-qtrs, possibly, but most likely only partially, certainly it would be to a lesser extent. Without Cowan and Carroll breaking lines and hitting those targets forward of the contest, Evans, Durdin and Camporeale would find themselves in heavy traffic and the outcome would be very different, they would lose effectiveness. That surely seems familiar.
If it was as easy as moving into the AFL and repeating the VFL procedure everybody would be doing it!
Spot on LP!
Our AFL and VFL teams play the same gamestyle ... or attempt to play the same gamestyle. Depending on the opposition, the VFL team often executes it quite well, as does the AFL team in patches, because it's much harder to execute against quality AFL teams.
If Cowan and/or Carroll get promoted to the AFL, they'll be flat out trying to negate their opponent and supporting their teammates. They may get the odd opportunity to break the lines and it may come back to bite them on the butt if there's a poor delivery or a fumble in our forward 50.
We went to the draft last year after losing a few seasoned footballers and then replaced them with the likes of Evans!
And then we wonder why we went backwards.
Some of us were VERY pissed off with the list direction in the off-season flagging that had not improved our list in the off-season. Some of us were VERY strongly aiming the cross-hairs on Lloyd and the recruiting department for taking this direction.
Voss is coping all the flack, when he was essentially set up to fail by the above.
The cherry on top was 'the saviour' doing his knee and being out for the year.
Anyone catch Daniel Hoyne on SEN? Talking about teams one at a time, started with Carlton and he said that our ball movement versus Port Adelaide was the fourth fastest this year by any team. Carlton went from long, down the line, tram track football pre the bye to change of angles, speed on ball after it. It was plain for all to see that the players didn’t have the skills to execute. So the coaches tried changing things, the players couldn't execute. Suggested we may well go back to old faithful v Coll.
There was a 'ladder' of fastest ball movement for the year. I think it was before the Port game. We were 5th or 6th on the list for the year.
Must admit that poster did nail it the last time he said it. Doesn't mean he will this time thought. might have be a coincidence last time.
Anyway, the lack of any hunger at training is more an issue.
Play the kids who will be hungry, result doesnt matter, lets find some players for 2026 and beyond. Voss might enjoy the last 8 weeks if we give him some players who want to learn and give effort for 4 quarters, he owes Binns a game too after singling him out.
I know i'm not the only one, but i've been calling for Lemmey for weeks now for the above reason and to spare the injured players we currently have. Not many who haven't been given a crack yet, but he is one.
We have played 39 players this year.
Only players not to play.... Newman - out for year Smith - out for year Monaghan - irish rookie Duffy - irish rookie Ben Camporeale - should play this week Lemmey - should play this week Charleson - showed something in the VFL this week
For the record, only the bombers have used more players than us, 1 more, with 40. 1 other team has used 37 a few other teams have used 36.
The rest of the 8, 12th, 14th and last have used 34 players.....everyone else is more.
Shows a very distinct correlation of injuries/players used and ladder position. Hard for us to make it near the pointy end when year on year, we have to use more players than just about everyone else.
Do you really think our MC put blokes out there who aren't trying, the MC's job depends on them.
Do you really think our MC put blokes out there who are not 100% fit, the MC's job depends on them. ....and thats why some will be looking for a new job.
Unfit players play all the time, everyone knows it. The MC will always say they are 100% fit though. Its BS. So 'trying' can be limited by how fit they are and how much they can get from 'trying'.
Sometimes the trying the players are doing is trying not to throw up because they are so sick and under the weather. Looking at Patrick "Mr Quarantine" Cripps as our most recent example.
Im just surprised a guy coming off an ankle reconstruction, and then surgery to remove hardware in his knee is somehow in tip top shape (to go with a team that is playing poor footy).
If gunston was an also ran id say fair enough but he's anything but an also ran.
Meanwhile when Charlie dines out on these types its the only reason he's won a coleman, but when he doesn't all of a sudden its a lack of want.
Maybe I'm more forgiving than most but when you've got a bloke who's generally been good value for 70% of his career when he goes through a flat patch im not really that keen to string him out to dry.
You forgot the part where that same player hobbled off the ground with a lower leg injury in the past month
You keep bringing up how we've been poor for 30+ years.
Yet now the other sacked coaches don't matter.
Either you bring history into it or you don't. Can't have it both ways.
"Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it."
Historically we have been crap for 3 decades and thats a fact - what is debatable is whether sacking coaches was a reason behind those results. i dont think it was but more so who we selected as to the pivotal failure was imo.
I said from day one i wasnt a fan of Voss and he was the wrong choice out of the candidates available and thats where the mistake was made not what the previous failed coaches did or didnt do nor our history in failed coaches.
Time to rip the bandaid off and hopefully this time we find the right man for the job.
What was 'so wrong' about Voss?
1. He wasn't a rookie coach. He'd had a go, then served a long apprenticeship after that to gain some more experience. 2. He is not too old. Plenty of experience, but not an old coot too out of touch with the modern players/game 3. He has had success as a player, a team and sustained success at that....and all from being a nothing team beforehand. 4. He is well respected, the game over and doesn't have any public 'woopsies' like other candidates. 5. He has a carlton connection, previously barracking for us and wanted the job before as well - when Ratten got it. This keeps the natives at bay. 6. He is a good media performer and doesn't embarrass himself or the club, quite the opposite. He invites others in.
As best as i can tell, the only 'negatives' is that he hasn't won us anything yet and may not be a tactical genius on matchday......and along with his mates, don't know how to pick a side.
I'm not sure there are many other coaches out there that tick as many boxes as him.
Ben Camporeale - 22 touches, 10 tackles, 7 inside 50's, 5 score involvements, 4 clearances and 1.1 - That deserves a callup. Moir - 17 touches, 3 tackles, 4 score involvements, 4 clearances and 4.1 - Give him a go this week too Lemmey - 3 goals from not much, get him in and rest Charlie....can't do any worse.
Pittonet - 41 hitouts, 17 touches, 4 clearances, 4 tackles, 5 score involvements - Good enough to get a game at just about every other club at the moment.
so you're saying the guys who are correct in sacking coaches cant hire the right one or keep choosing the wrong one?
Maybe the blokes making those decisions should get sacked instead.
Just because we have sacked a lot of coaches doesnt have any bearing imo on the current situation. Every decision has to be on merit and Voss is not the man and never was.
An amazing footballer doesnt make a good coach.
We have no system still cant deliver the ball into F50 have no plan B.
Our list is lacking pieces on all lines but from a strategic perspective our coaching group led by Voss is below par and not anywhere near what the better teams have. We need a coach as well as a coaching group that will get the very best out of every player and provide systems when we get injuries the whole list knows the system and knows they role to play. We lose a few players and become a rabble.
4 years is enough time.
You keep bringing up how we've been poor for 30+ years.
Yet now the other sacked coaches don't matter.
Either you bring history into it or you don't. Can't have it both ways.
"Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it."
For me I think Jack would be super. What about a joint Jack and Cerra?
Offer TDK VC.
Maybe Weiters, he’s a great speaker but I can’t help but wonder if he’s looking much more into the future into a career at the top of the AFL. He seems extremely intelligent to me.
Jack ticks a lot of the boxes. The one concern I have is his durability Injuries have played a fair part in his career and he's struggled to get a full season in
