At my mother in laws' hospital that she works at all the doctors got the Pfizer. She's a food monitor so she has been told that she gets the AstraZ, same as the cleaners.
Further to what i just wrote above, and earlier to Pauly...
Why do you think the above occurs if they are the same? Why are the general public not told what version they will be getting?
They both might be equally effective and do their job, with 1 slightly better. It might be the difference between a BMW and Mercedes. same same but different.
OR
It might be a Datsun 120y they are offering instead and they don't want to tell you about what you are missing out on.
Safe to say Betts won't play, said on 360 tonight that he wouldn't pick himself as he has only played 2 qtrs. Saw a snippet on the news about H, doesn't look like he'll play. We will be seriously undermanned, but then again with it comes opportunity for someone else.
The science and the numbers don't appear to suggest that one is better than the other.
Not in terms of clotting, but in terms of effectiveness there were early numbers that suggested Pfizer was much more effective than AZ.
All that aside.... all yourself a simple question, why are the politicians getting something different to what the public are getting. What possible reasons could there be behind it? Come up with a list and tell me how many legitimate reasons that are not money and/or effectiveness related.
For every George Foreman how many banged up old pugs are there with brain damage, dementia etc etc etc or have been counted out permanently? Another George.... Burns lived to 100 smoking cigars but I wouldnt recommend it as a route to a great old age for the majority of us, think George Foreman is very lucky, maybe those fat free grills he has his name on have helped him health wise..😉 along with the 138 million he made from them plus you need to factor in he found religion, was a ordained minister and had some extra help in his corner perhaps...
I'm not saying because he can do it everyone can.....or should.
Just saying, boxers are full of confidence, and there is precedent that it can still be done. Boxers are full of confidence, but light on for brains generally. So much so that they don't realise its unlikely.
Martin has a history we can see from another club and glowing assessments do not seem to match long term exposed form, I think fans expect too much, he's not the messiah and he can't fix all problems in all positions.
Martin's a nice footballer when used to his strengths, I don't think fulltime mid will be one of them, but I'm happy to be proven wrong.
I think it was Blight who said Martin had the best highlights video and was the most talented junior he has ever seen.
Now if he could put that together 100% of the time, he'd be the greatest player to ever play the game....but its not sustainable, nor possible.
Accept him for what he is. When he is on, he is unstoppable. When he isn't, he still chases and tackles. I'll take that.
Yet numpties want to accept the 1000 x 31 year old trial as proof something is NBG with one vaccine, but rail against the evidence from a good portion of 320M vaccinations! That is the definition of cherry-picking.
You have highlighted cherry picking with your pro-vaccination government inspired propaganda, while at the same time labelling all the governments against the vaccines (and not even against, just suspending pending more info) as having an agenda to push.
Thats like asking people who are fighting a war if they are the good guys or the bad guys. Everyone sees themselves as a good guy. Yet clearly that cannot be the case.
Its all relative and about perception.
Now again, i am very pro-vaccine and am more than happy for people to get it and will support their right to get it. But, i'm also using some commen sense, if something will go wrong, it will go wrong initially. Hell, look at the doctor who didn't know how much of the vaccine to give people and killed them. Its not JUST about the vaccine.
Of course it doesn't matter how much data we've got, zero of it shows any potential long term issues that could be associated with it.
Sometimes people with a bit of knowledge and the best of intentions get things wrong and their are unforeseen issues that result.
My favourite story about the above is in relation to Thomas Midgley Jnr. Short version. He was a mechanical engineer who holds over 100 patents. 1. He managed to reduce knocking in engines by introducing an additive to petrol. 2. He managed to come up an alternative to the toxic, flammable and explosive gasses used in refrigerants in the 1920's. 3. He managed to invent a system of ropes and pulleys to help people with polio get themselves out of bed.
So what is the problem? 1. That was lead. He came up with leaded petrol which has caused untold damage to individuals worldwide via lead poisoning. 2. That was CFCs. That has ruined the ozone layer and caused untold damage to individuals worldwide via skin cancer. 3. That was for himself, amongst others. He died using that contraption as it malfunctioned and strangled him to death.
The first 2 were still being used during our lifetime, but were perfectly fine when we were kids.......or were they.
A brilliant man (not a joe average) who was a revolutionary.....that killed many by unforeseen side effects....including himself!
Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.
So forgive me for not jumping head first into this and being wary of potential side effects that are yet to be discovered.
@LP .... Numbers are one thing, but not all people are the same.
So just like nothing but a sample of 31yo males cannot be used accurately to predict how it will work amongst other members of the population, neither can numbers that exclude whole continents.
We are a smart monkey who has mastered many things. 100 years ago we could say the same, at the time, but how many things did we know back then that are just plain wrong nowadays. We hadn't even discovered blood types then.
What is it today that we don't know? What is it that 100 years from now that we are doing that will seem like pure nonsense?
I'm all for science, but even science knows we don't know a hell of a lot.
So as good as all this appears to be....we simply do not really know.
As i spoke about with @Thryleon before this stuff started.
I am very pro-vaccination, but i will not be at the head of the line for this vaccine. I'll wait until the data comes in on how effective ti really is, and what the side effects are.
Better to wait for update 2.0 then be the first sucker to try a new product IMO.
With Fogarty, Fisher and possibly Gibbons and then Murphy playing more forward, is there realistically a walk up start for Eddie? We all know his history etc but he needs to hit the scoreboard early in the season for mine to be able to justify a spot.
We signed him on for another year. No point doing that unless we give him a crack in the 1's.
No guarantee on Fogarty to get a gig. Gibbons should get a gig, but its a harder side to stay in now. I'd play someone like Dow to reward his pre-season form and it will be someone like Cuningham, Fogarty, Gibbons that have to make way i think.
