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Well, thank you for clarifying that. I can honestly say I never would have got that impression from reading your posts.

All I am saying is lets draw a line in the sand and move on.
54% of the List is BBs
24% is MMs
15% is Rattens
7% in DPs
Majority of the list is BB's, will be swayed even more his way after this year. Thats enough for me to look fwd instead of back and not hijack every thread with same BS.

The impression that you get is often based on your own opinions and expectations.

Ask anyone who has been around this site long enough and they will know my distaste for Pagan.
Doubt anyone would say the same about Ratten.
Most people opinions are incorrect when it comes to my feelings on Malthouse too.

Point is. Don't assume. Ask.

FWIW, Bolton has been nothing but encouraging so far. I'm backing him in for the long haul. I am not surprised by the (lack of) performance of the team thus far in the JLT series and am in no way calling for his head.
I am slightly disappointed with the (lack of) effort that has been put in thus far, but in all honesty, it isn't all that different from the tail end of last season. The same part of the season that most people seem to ignore when talking about expectations for this year.

Having said that, Bolton still has a few hoops to jump through and is still largely unproven.

We'll see how different the regular season is compared to practice matches and it'll give a bit of an insight into what to expect.

One bad apple can spoil the entire barrel.

If we don't have players in it for the team first, then they will spoil some of the others.

The confusion arises because you've been far too strident and vehement in your pro Mick comments - you need to be more balanced, like me.

I think players can tolerate a small amount of me me me attitude if they see reward for effort. You can have a great team first player (e.g. Cas or Curnow E), but those turnovers and missed goals must take their toll after a while.

It depends on the composition of the team - some blokes are less resilient and more easily led astray than others.  If by good chance you have a team of mostly resilient types, they could reap the benefits of a talented and slightly selfish player, because they work work around his deficiencies.

A lot of those elite talented players (Fev, Fyfe, Carey etc.) do have a certain arrogance and me first nature - what is super rare are the Judd and Doull types, terrific players that are also team first.

Last time.

'Pro mick' or 'anti-others'?

Your take on that depends on your point of view.
MBB understands a lot of what i say because he sees it for what it is. Not so much pro-mick, but a lot of $h!t everywhere else.

Last time.

'Pro mick' or 'anti-others'?

Your take on that depends on your point of view.
MBB understands a lot of what i say because he sees it for what it is. Not so much pro-mick, but a lot of $h!t everywhere else.

Dude, everybody thinks they see it for what it is, not just you.

I am slightly disappointed with the (lack of) effort that has been put in thus far, but in all honesty, it isn't all that different from the tail end of last season. The same part of the season that most people seem to ignore when talking about expectations for this year.

I think most folk are very aware of the poor finish to last year when they speak of improvement this year.
But we look back to some of the early games and see the effort was there.
Is it not reasonable to expect that rather than dropping off this season that effort can be sustained a little longer.
Is it not reasonable to believe that our forward line will improve on last year's dismal efforts.
Is it not reasonable to believe that our players further down the field can provide our forwards with more scoring opportunities.

The big barrier to our ladder and win/loss improvement will be if the teams below us improve at a faster rate and not enough sides drop off.

Possible? Yes.
Reasonable? Maybe.

You can look back to early games whenever we've had a coaching change in the past and seen the effort was there. Then there is always/eventually a drop off in effort and then the coach is sacked.
Now i'm not expected our coach to be sacked.
But it doesn't necessarily follow that we will automatically get better this year.

Of course from our JLT matches, others around us are clearly ahead of us in the early stages.

Cmon man, focus.

I'm saying you interpreting MY posts is based on your views.
I know the intention behind them because they are MY posts. If you misunderstand them then that is on you. Ala your Ratten comments before.