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Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #105 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Yes, and bad kicking is bad footy!

We were ahead in virtually every facet of the game including 15 marks inside 50 to 9.  We threw that game away by not making the most of our opportunities.
on the stats sheet maybe. we got hammered all over the ground from where I was watching.

"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #106 –
Quote from: crashlander – on
Cincotta: did a decent job, considering he wasn't in the middle again Bontempelli much. Even he had a couple of crucial kicking errors, although not as many as most. Bontempelli got most of his ball in the middle, which hurt us.

At centre bounce, the dogs did to us what we've been doing to other sides. That's the game right there. Goals from that source punch above their weight by minimising effort. Especially with gun forwards 1 - 1 in good position.
Coming together is the beginning.
Keeping together is progress.
Working together is success.
Henry Ford.

Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #107 –
Dogs did kick 0.7 in the first quarter.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #108 –
Quote from: shawny – on
What if dogs kicked 7 straight instead of 7 points to start the game?

Owies, McKay and Fogarty all missed sitters in the first quarter.

As I said before, bad kicking is bad footy.  We should have had the Doggies on toast at quarter time and threw away too many opportunities across all four quarters.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #109 –
Quote from: RiverRat – on
Bulldogs' tackling of an opponent who hasn't had prior opportunity (i.e. taking one arm out of the equation and swinging the player off balance) was first class and indicative of some excellent coaching to take full advantage of the changed rule interpretation.

It was brilliant.
Especially when you realise that part of the rule interpretation didn't change.

There was no change to prior opportunity. Yet the umpires are umpiring in a way that makes out it did.

We never received that memo it appears.

Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #110 –
our team is to SLOW simple ,our game plan is NO good just blind long bombs and we all know wat happens so predictable i hope we can change/mix it up  before finals but i said the same thing during pre season and it is same same.

Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #111 –
Watched the replay. How is it that teams turn up to play against us? Both Giants and Bulldogs were appalling the week before they played us. The problem with playing two ruckman is that it means we play one less running player. Too many players not involved enough and too many players making decision errors. I would like to see Motlop and Cuningham play to give us more mobility. I would like to see Charlie kick more goals than behinds. Our work around the contest is poor and we seem static coming out of defence. If we don't win the centre clearance we are in trouble defensively and the centre clearance is TDK's strength. The umpires need to watch the forwards jumping and blocking Weitering. Two weeks in a row we have played ok but have been beaten by a more intense team. Mind set is important but I wonder if Cerra and Cottrell were ready. Neither really are getting near the ball. Marchbank doesn't seem to have much confidence in his play. Got North next week and we need to take the opportunity to win well.

Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #112 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
It was brilliant.
Especially when you realise that part of the rule interpretation didn't change.

There was no change to prior opportunity. Yet the umpires are umpiring in a way that makes out it did.

We never received that memo it appears.

I've never been more convinced that removing prior will be a mistake. The game is a terrible spectacle for it and wait until everyone gets on board.  You'll have have players dropping the ball as they're tackled everywhere.

It looks bad and it is bad.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #113 –
We seem to have the draw from hell.
Recently played all top eight sides some undefeated with a long injury list and now past two games we have played teams that are fighting for survival. This time of year you prefer to play teams in top eight that are slightly complacent than teams fighting to get into the eight as their hunger will always be higher.

Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #114 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
I've never been more convinced that removing prior will be a mistake. The game is a terrible spectacle for it and wait until everyone gets on board.  You'll have have players dropping the ball as they're tackled everywhere.

It looks bad and it is bad.

The problem with it is that they have (occasionally) removed prior and decreased the time to get rid of it. So not only do players not know if they will get done for holding the ball, they don't know when.

Cripps got done for getting out a handball because they were so quick on the whistle.

They have just further muddied the waters without going all in.
It's similar to when they trialled it jn the vfl and said it didn't work. They only trialled it for the second player who had the ball.

Trial it or not, don't half arse it.

I'm almost convinced the afl want this to go away so they are trying to make it terrible. I reckon there is some kind of new interpretation the afl want to bring in next year and they will use this nonsense to justify it.

Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #115 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
I've never been more convinced that removing prior will be a mistake. The game is a terrible spectacle for it and wait until everyone gets on board.  You'll have have players dropping the ball as they're tackled everywhere.

It looks bad and it is bad.
At times today in the VFL, there must have been moments when they had 5 or 10 ball ups in a row and had not moved 5 metres, just awful.

People forget how crap the footy was to watch in the Malthouse era, stoppage after stoppage around the boundary line, people stopped going to the footy, crowds fell, thankfully that footy is gone and the crowds are back.

We want the ball moving, we want to see players run and spread, bounce, lead, mark, with the player attacking the footy protected. We want the ball picked up and used by hand or foot, we don't want it shuffled along the ground stoppage after stoppage.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #116 –
It was an entertaining game.  No point in talking about if Charlie had kicked more goals than points or if bulldogs had kicked a couple of goals instead of points in the first, as the game changes as a result.  Yes, we could have been a heap better, it appears we don't know our best combination(s) and take a few weeks to adjust with bigger name players coming in.

I am now sure that I don't know the rules around holding the ball etc anymore and it is making the game less interesting as there doesn't seem to be consistently applied rules (along with the odd return of others such as kicking in danger, not returning the ball directly to the umpire, insufficient attempt etc).  The other one that gets on my goat is incorrect disposal.  So many throws.

The outcry over decisions that are replayed several times, slowed down, viewed from 800 angles is way over the the top with over analysis and unfair to umpires that have 4 angles and a couple of them are a fair distance away.



Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #117 –
Quote from: dodge – on
I am now sure that I don't know the rules around holding the ball etc anymore and it is making the game less interesting as there doesn't seem to be consistently applied rules (along with the odd return of others such as kicking in danger, not returning the ball directly to the umpire, insufficient attempt etc).  The other one that gets on my goat is incorrect disposal.  So many throws.

The outcry over decisions that are replayed several times, slowed down, viewed from 800 angles is way over the the top with over analysis and unfair to umpires that have 4 angles and a couple of them are a fair distance away.
@dodge Agreed, it's not the umpires fault, it is the AFLs.

100% agree about the throws, they've allowed the media use of slow-motion replays to bully the umpires into excusing questionable disposal. The old ways under one umpire use to require unambiguous correct disposal, the hand holding the ball had to be still, if it wasn't it was penalised, it was the only way a single umpire could officiate and it was in many ways better. Now without doubt the ball gets thrown away with the mere scrape of a knuckle, it's a disgrace.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #118 –
Funny how life changes
We have lost two games by 12 and 14 points against teams in finals contention in past few years I would have been rapped to have lost by that much to mid table plodders.
We are having a flat spot that most teams have leading to the end of a gruelling season I think it won’t take much for us to be rolling again. We will still make the finals yes second would be better than eighth but I think this year more than any other teams outside the top 4 can go all the way.
The premiers will need luck with injuries,suspensions and crucially umpiring this year!
Put the midfield mix back with fit TDK and Hewitt freshen the small forwards to keep ball deep in forward half  will ease panic pressure on backline and we will be fine.
I think!🙃
 

Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #119 –
Quote from: shawny – on
What if dogs kicked 7 straight instead of 7 points to start the game?
I thought we were lucky to be 15 pts up at qtr given how poorly they kicked.
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