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Re: AFL Rd 2 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #60
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(1) Tell Harry to stop wrestling, he is no good at it - instead just put his arms in the air.  He'll either mark it, get a free kick, or at least create a crumb.
No key forward however skilful will consistently take many marks if :-
a). The ball is just bombed into the 50 m arc
b). The area is clogged up with other Carlton forwards also flying for the mark or dragging their opponents into the area.

Tell me: -
Has football changed that much that forwards no longer lead and demand the ball? 
Has football changed that much that coaches don't encourage a key forward like Harry or Charlie to tell other forwards to stay out of the area and thus keep those extra backs out.

Ab



Its incredible we put so many players in our forward 50 leaving no leading lanes. You always want to kick long to Harry or Charlie when one on one but our small forwards are not good enough to take advantage of marking spills so why block their leading lanes

Re: AFL Rd 2 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #61
Its incredible we put so many players in our forward 50 leaving no leading lanes.
It's a symptom of Charlie's absence, with few or no remaining players capable or confident enough to have set shots outside the 50m arc.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 2 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #62
We have all seen this game before,  we will come out with low energy, Hawthorn will get  a lead, Carlton will pretend to have a go, Hawthorn will skip away in the end.
Extend that out to the season, start slow, build momentum, become AFL Darlings again, dont win enough games to make the 8.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 2 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #63
Unfortunately, we have no elite ball users in our midfield.  They send hack kicks into the forward line and more often than not it suits the opposition rather than our side.

Jagga Smith was going to help fix that.  Well, not this year......

Also, we had 65 inside 50s on Thursday for 9 goals.  And I lost count of the number of marks Richmond took in their defensive 50.

Some things for this week.

(1) Tell Harry to stop wrestling, he is no good at it - instead just put his arms in the air.  He'll either mark it, get a free kick, or at least create a crumb. Hate to say it but H needs more ticker, more passion and must learn to impose himself on the game... presently? Finessing... being 'nice.'
(2) Bring Moir in immediately.  We have tried 3 crap small forwards a lot, and it just does not work.
(3) Put Doc behind the ball.  They need another cool head back there to support Weiters.
(4) Our half-forward line is all wrong, it is too small.  The ball gets whipped out of there far too easily.  McKay CHF so he can get some grabs on the wings, Curnow lurking in the forward 50, and Moir supplying leads.
(5) See if we can hit a handball and a kick at training this week.  Skill level in the second half was about U16 standard.
(6) Matt Carroll in for Haynes.  Apart from Saad, our back 6 are slower than statues, and the Hawks can whip that in spades (And where's Boyd?)

Unfortunately, I just don't think we are ready for the Hollywood Hawks at the minute.  We are honestly staring at a 0-4 start......




Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 2 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #64
Unfortunately, we have no elite ball users in our midfield.  They send hack kicks into the forward line and more often than not it suits the opposition rather than our side.

Jagga Smith was going to help fix that.  Well, not this year......

Also, we had 65 inside 50s on Thursday for 9 goals.  And I lost count of the number of marks Richmond took in their defensive 50.

Some things for this week.

(1) Tell Harry to stop wrestling, he is no good at it - instead just put his arms in the air.  He'll either mark it, get a free kick, or at least create a crumb.
(2) Bring Moir in immediately.  We have tried 3 crap small forwards a lot, and it just does not work.
(3) Put Doc behind the ball.  They need another cool head back there to support Weiters.
(4) Our half-forward line is all wrong, it is too small.  The ball gets whipped out of there far too easily.  McKay CHF so he can get some grabs on the wings, Curnow lurking in the forward 50, and Moir supplying leads.
(5) See if we can hit a handball and a kick at training this week.  Skill level in the second half was about U16 standard.
(6) Matt Carroll in for Haynes.  Apart from Saad, our back 6 are slower than statues, and the Hawks can whip that in spades (And where's Boyd?)

Unfortunately, I just don't think we are ready for the Hollywood Hawks at the minute.  We are honestly staring at a 0-4 start......




I still think our biggest problem is lack of leg speed, we are too slow, get caught easy and then rush a disposal which misses the target or gets turned over.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 2 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #65
They're going to murder us on the rebound.

Hawthorn are one of the best teams scoring off kick ins.  If we don't take our chances we are in all sorts.  They got beaten for clearances and inside 50's against essendon and still won.

Their small forwards are slippery, exactly the types that get off the chain against us. 

30 degrees and clear weather forecast.

Doesn't bode well for us.

Expect vossy to get out coached again.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 2 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #66

I still think our biggest problem is lack of leg speed, we are too slow, get caught easy and then rush a disposal which misses the target or gets turned over.
Somewhat correct, we get caught, but if you force yourself to suffer through the replay, you'll see our blokes travelling 3, 4 or 5 steps with the footy before being rundown.

The speed isn't the fundamental problem there, it's an inability to see and hit a target that stops them pulling the trigger on a disposal, without panic hit up a target a step or two earlier and we would be away.

I mentioned after Opening Round that the ball use of the teams was nothing short of spectacular, not just the efficiency but the speed of disposal and decision making. Those teams weren't riding bumps and offloading weak disposals, the ball was won and gone before the opposition can even react. If it was just one team you could call it an anomaly but it was all four opening round teams showing it, we don't. For me it's a big change in the speed and skill level that we seem to have completely missed or misread as a tactic.

Right now, we'd be better off to work towards a Malthouse grind game, create stoppage after stoppage around the boundary line and leave opposition no space to work into. It's ugly to watch but it's our best chance of a result at this time, BigH and Charlie will of course hate it but that is our Midfield / Stoppage strength and we need to implement it to diminish or take away our major weakness.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 2 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #67
Bring a sustained and brutal hunting to our game against the Dawks and the tide can quickly turn. Then to maintain that brutal hunting culture.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 2 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #68
Bring a sustained and brutal hunting to our game against the Dawks and the tide can quickly turn. Then to maintain that brutal hunting culture.
There was a fair bit of brutality needed to sustain that level, I don't think our list has the right mix of players to become uncomfortable enough for opponents.

I suspect our list would lose a game of chicken to ensure everyone goes home safe and sound, we've looked that way for some time now, and I think the opposition know it, they know we blink.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 2 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #69
I didn't see or read anything about the VFL game, who warranted a call up to come in?
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership


Re: AFL Rd 2 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #71
So Carrol, maybe Boyd, Moir and Wilson played ok by the sound of it.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 2 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #72
Wilson made some epic errors but did some good things as well

Carrol was very good and Moir looks lazy on turn over but classy with ball in hand.. Boyd looked very rusty.

Young was reliable.... many may not like him but he is reliable. Knows when to spoil and when to mark.

 

Re: AFL Rd 2 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #73
Play both Jack and Kemp in the backline or play Kemp as a high half forward in Elijah Hollands role because he was a good conduit last year and dont have one this year.
Moir looked good at VFL praccy today but his determination to defend and win contests goes amiss. But looks extremely classy with ball in hand.

I had hopes for Moir. Sounding like a Damien Cupido / Troy Menzel type. The last thing we need.

Re: AFL Rd 2 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #74
Play both Jack and Kemp in the backline or play Kemp as a high half forward in Elijah Hollands role because he was a good conduit last year and dont have one this year.
Moir looked good at VFL praccy today but his determination to defend and win contests goes amiss. But looks extremely classy with ball in hand.

I had hopes for Moir. Sounding like a Damien Cupido / Troy Menzel type. The last thing we need.

Some of our blokes getting regular games are not much better. Saads defending past 12 months has been diabolical. Way too loose