AFL Rd 2 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

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Re: AFL Rd 2 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #15 – March 20, 2025, 11:52:12 pm

Quote from: rocky – on March 20, 2025, 11:49:08 pm

Another disappointing result. The major disappointment for me is we play like that against Richmond we win, but we seem to save our worst against the worst. So I guess it was a better effort but all to no avail. We had our chances. Had 2 set shots in the 3rd and missed them both and the whorek's don't miss when they get chance. It's all in our heads as it has been for many years now.
Painful being at the ground and having to put up with their tosser supporters. They compliment their team of flogs.

I won't watch the Hawks game, they are a bunch of flogs as you say, talented by flogs. The whole carry on and show boating is too much for me. What hurts most about that loss is 3 goals to a muppet like Chol.

Re: AFL Rd 2 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #16 – March 21, 2025, 12:02:29 am

If Haynes and Young are advancing us fwd from last year I clearly know nada
Goal kicking yet again a concern
Not playing 4 quarters a concern
Playing inj players...AGAIN
Dumb Forwards - not leading. not marking. FFS Chol looked like a fwd.. Chol
CP dominance - Ruck dominance yet still beaten
No defensive running goals - 5 to them
Questionable footy smarts in multiple positions on the ground
(and yes this is not a cut and paste of 2022, 2023, 2024)!!
What is a cut and paste is my patience and care being questioned!

Re: AFL Rd 2 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #17 – March 21, 2025, 12:10:47 am

Quote from: Micky0 – on March 20, 2025, 10:51:42 pm

Quote from: Lods – on March 20, 2025, 10:26:24 pm
Lucas throwing up at one stage. (I doubt it was nerves)
BT said probably nerves. Uh it was after half time or 3/4 time I believe, I think he was physically spent! Doubt he’d be nervously vomiting halfway thru a game!

I also seriously doubt it would be nerves.
Either he was physically spent, and that's understandable for a first year player....or he may have been too close to Harry through the week.
Cripps and TDK also look to have run themselves into the ground...they did.
I'm not going to use it as an excuse because I just don't know, but there is a possibility as Kruddler suggested in the pre-match that we may have more than one player on the 'sick' list.

Re: AFL Rd 2 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #18 – March 21, 2025, 12:38:53 am

I dont like to blame umps but we got stitched up a few times tonight. Our first goal was taken off us for nothing. I didn't see the free kick, but they never penalise a forward against a defender on the goal line. Tonight that happened?

Walsh kicked a goal after a free was paid. From memory jack silvagni was paid the free. He missed the set shot, but walsh had taken advantage and kicked the goal.

Beyond that I thought we did better than expected and we were blown away. We have not out run a team for a long time, and our match fitness is a problem. Either that or our game style is too taxing.

Re: AFL Rd 2 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #19 – March 21, 2025, 01:00:25 am

Tonight was a big improvement over last week, but it still isn't good enough for long enough.
[1] Our fitness: we were working on power over the summer? Really? We don't seem to have done much with it. We're not running out games well.
[2] Umpires: cost us goals. We probably weren't quite good enough, but we were crucified by the Umpires. Cost us 3 goals, and we only lost by 20 points.
[3] Kicking for goal: if we do nothing else for 2025 then we need to fix this problem. They kicked the ones that mattered. We missed. Jack got 1 goal 3 points (2 posters). Motlop kicked 1 goal 3 points. Kemp missed another set shot that was eminently kickable.
[4] Our forward structure is up the creek because our 2 towers are not fit. Charlie is coming back from 3 ops over the break and locked underdone. H hasn't been right yet. Our small forwards do not kick enough goals and Kemp just isn't getting much ball.
[5] Young was actually pretty good after the first 10 minutes or so. Chol make him look ordinary early, but he really picked up his game. It was the most promising signs I've seen from him in quite a while.
Similarly, Haynes was much improved over the last week. He wasn't great, and he didn't get a lot of ball, but we made the most of most of his possessions and didn't stuff up monumentally at all. I'm not convinced he is the future, but he was much, much better tonight.

Re: AFL Rd 2 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #20 – March 21, 2025, 01:56:14 am

This side has shown a number of times the last few years it is damn good. We were winning games last year, until the end, with half a side out. Problem is the side never wants it badly enough on a consistent basis. Like St.Kilda, promise everything, deliver nothing. "Want" is everything. We saw that at round 13 in 2023 where the big powwow with Ed Curnow changed everything in a week. We have the players but attitude is everything.

Re: AFL Rd 2 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #21 – March 21, 2025, 06:43:43 am

Our structure behind the ball looked good. Effort and determination also good. Structure forward of the ball a little iffy. We also need to clean up disposal and take our chances when we get them. If we play like that every week, we win more than we lose IMO.

Re: AFL Rd 2 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #22 – March 21, 2025, 07:24:49 am

Quote from: Gointocarlton – on March 20, 2025, 11:52:12 pm

What hurts most about that loss is 3 goals to a muppet like Chol.

Lucky you didn't watch it, because the way he got a couple of them was just a little disappointing, a physical capability issue doesn't explain it.

There are big problems, the media can sense it but they are sort of skirting around the issue at the moment, another week or two of this stuff and they won't be so subtle anymore.

Re: AFL Rd 2 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #23 – March 21, 2025, 07:26:02 am

The lads fought it out and never gave up. So happy with that.
Acres is badly out of form
Saad and Motlop were better
Ollie is very inconsistent.
Missing Elijah, Newy and H

Re: AFL Rd 2 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #24 – March 21, 2025, 07:29:15 am

Quote from: Thryleon – on March 21, 2025, 12:38:53 am

I dont like to blame umps but we got stitched up a few times tonight. Our first goal was taken off us for nothing. I didn't see the free kick, but they never penalise a forward against a defender on the goal line. Tonight that happened?

Walsh kicked a goal after a free was paid. From memory jack silvagni was paid the free. He missed the set shot, but walsh had taken advantage and kicked the goal.

Beyond that I thought we did better than expected and we were blown away. We have not out run a team for a long time, and our match fitness is a problem. Either that or our game style is too taxing.

Pretty sure Jack kicked it when it came back but I though FFS play the advantage.
I agree re being stiched up, that first goal to Chol should have happened as he infringed the marking contest, clear push in the back. Free Kick Hawthorn is a thing and I have a theory. Their jumper colours are such that the umpire see clearly even the slightest tug or hold. In contrast, our darker jumper may may it hard to see the same things. Just a theory, might be complete BS but that's what my eye saw last night. The free against Gov for HTB at CHB was also complete rubbish. He had no prior, was pushed forward in the tackle, like a secondary motion and they blew the whistle. Pretty sure a goal resulted.

In any case, I am more confident than ever (after seeing the start contrast) that our ball use (kicking and hand balling) is our biggest problem. It is not at a level of the top end teams and we will not be able to contend whist we have these players who possess this level of execution.
Did I mention Houston would have been a handy pick up?

Re: AFL Rd 2 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #25 – March 21, 2025, 07:32:16 am

Quote from: LP – on March 21, 2025, 07:24:49 am

Quote from: Gointocarlton – on March 20, 2025, 11:52:12 pm
What hurts most about that loss is 3 goals to a muppet like Chol.
Lucky you didn't watch it, because the way he got a couple of them was just a little disappointing, a physical capability issue doesn't explain it.

There are big problems, the media can sense it but they are sort of skirting around the issue at the moment, another week or two of this stuff and they won't be so subtle anymore.

I watched it because it was our game, I saw Young get sucked to the contest leaving Chol on his own to receive and score.
I said in another post he infringed in the marking contest preceding his first goal and wasn't penalised.
In any case, he ended up with 3 and was the dominant fwd on the ground, not bad for a total muppet.

Re: AFL Rd 2 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #26 – March 21, 2025, 07:34:50 am

Quote from: laj – on March 21, 2025, 01:56:14 am

We have the players but attitude is everything.

No and yes.

Re: AFL Rd 2 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #27 – March 21, 2025, 07:37:35 am

Quote from: Gointocarlton – on March 21, 2025, 07:29:15 am

Free Kick Hawthorn is a thing and I have a theory. Their jumper colours are such that the umpire see clearly even the slightest tug or hold. In contrast, our darker jumper may may it hard to see the same things. Just a theory, might be complete BS but that's what my eye saw last night. The free against Gov for HTB at CHB was also complete rubbish. He had no prior, was pushed forward in the tackle, like a secondary motion and they blew the whistle. Pretty sure a goal resulted.

Free kick Hawthorn might be true, but it is not as damaging as no free kick Carlton. I watched Hardwick, Day, Maginness, Weddle all pick up the pill like McGovern, run further without contact only to be tackled without disposal and not get penalised.

This picture tells a story, the slightest brush of an arm against Watson, Newcombe or Amon and they earn a free, Charlie, Cripps, McGovern get their head ripped off and it's play on. There was one in the last quarter between Meek and TDK that was shocking, Meek basically propped and stiff-armed TDK to the face with the umpire standing in the frame watching, play on!

Re: AFL Rd 2 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #28 – March 21, 2025, 07:49:06 am

Quote from: Gointocarlton – on March 21, 2025, 07:34:50 am

Quote from: laj – on March 21, 2025, 01:56:14 am
We have the players but attitude is everything.
No and yes.

We've had the players for a while. You don't push close like we have for most of 2 seasons without them. We sat 2nd until round 19 with a wad of players out all year. Year before essentially 20pts from a flag. No excuse now with the list. Now just attitude, and that's frustrating. Going to waste the chance. We saw that the effect of attitude in 2023 when we went from duds to stars in a week in round 13 and kept going.

Re: AFL Rd 2 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #29 – March 21, 2025, 07:57:52 am

Quote from: Gointocarlton – on March 21, 2025, 07:32:16 am

I watched it because it was our game, I saw Young get sucked to the contest leaving Chol on his own to receive and score.
I said in another post he infringed in the marking contest preceding his first goal and wasn't penalised.
In any case, he ended up with 3 and was the dominant fwd on the ground, not bad for a total muppet.

Firstly, the "infringement" was woeful in two aspects, the non-decision true, but the utter ease with which he moved Young off the footy was to say the least "a surrender"!

I nearly fainted when the commentators pumped up Young about his "terrific intercept marking", all three were mis-kicks by the Dawks, if they had been well directed kicks they would have found Young's direct opponent wide open goal side. Those marks are luck not good footy!

Fans see what they want to see, when we benefit from an opponents poor execution that is not good footy on our part, it's luck.

The Dawks had 50 or 60 more uncontested possession, take that away and their efficiency is no better than ours, most of the Dawks efficiency comes from just the first 2 or 3 handballs after that they are special at all. Our first couple of possessions are sketchy and often ineffective, they were brutally efficient, I've been warning fans about this difference since the opening round.