Carlton Supporters Club

Quote from: PaulP – on December 23, 2025, 05:45:37 pm

I would never in a million years blame Howard or Tony Rundle for Port Arthur. Seems like a flimsy logic and a poor argument.

It is embarrassing that so-called leaders apportion blame to the incumbent PM.

Holy mackerel this is a problem that goes back decades and centuries, FFS. Need I say that the shallowness and opportunism of some is breathtaking... and vulgar. (and Baggers steps down from his soapbox).

Quote from: Baggers – on December 23, 2025, 07:53:26 pm

It is embarrassing that so-called leaders apportion blame to the incumbent PM.

Holy mackerel this is a problem that goes back decades and centuries, FFS. Need I say that the shallowness and opportunism of some is breathtaking... and vulgar. (and Baggers steps down from his soapbox).

Wny Baggers? Is it not the Government's and its Authorities/Agencies job to keep Australians safe? As you say, this isn't a new problem that came about last week and many jewish members of the public have been saying this would  happen and it has (on the current PM's watch). If I was being sceptical, I'd suggest that the law enforcement and intelligence agencies appear to pick and choose went to use intel to foil crimes.

Quote from: Gointocarlton – on December 23, 2025, 11:23:19 pm

Wny Baggers? Is it not the Government's and its Authorities/Agencies job to keep Australians safe? As you say, this isn't a new problem that came about last week and many jewish members of the public have been saying this would  happen and it has (on the current PM's watch). If I was being sceptical, I'd suggest that the law enforcement and intelligence agencies appear to pick and choose went to use intel to foil crimes.

I was referring to the political point scoring, GTC.

On the subject of leadership and dealing with terrorism, I reckon you're right... Aussies, regardless of religion, political persuasion, gender or hair colour! have a right to feel safe in their own country (as do Ukrainians, Jews and Palestinians!!). This Bondi horror happened on Albo's watch so he's copping in the neck but this is a failure of leadership over many years - addressing antisemitism and facing the reality that terrorists reside here and are planning horrors right now.

You can bet that ASIO and the AFP, in particular, will up their games now.

From Jillian Segal's Envoy report:
2.1 From October 2023 to September 2024, antisemitic incidents surged by 316%, with over 2,000 cases reported – threats, assaults, vandalism and intimidation. In October and November 2023 alone, episodes increased over 700% compared to the previous year, reflecting incitement by those with extremist views and misinformation in the media and online. These figures exclude much of the hate online, where antisemitism has exploded. Notable incidents include the firebombing of Melbourne’s Adass Israel Synagogue, firebombing of a childcare centre adjacent to a Synagogue and school, firebombing of cars in residential areas and the repeated targeting with graffiti of Jewish schools and places of worship. In February 2025, ASIO Director General Mike Burgess declared antisemitism Australia’s leading threat to life.

Clearly the Government, ASIO, the AFP have had the information but Albanese has refused to act and protect Jewish citizens in this country.Think I read that 70% of Jews in Australia vote Liberal which isnt unexpected and thats probably going to spiral upwards after recent events. Its been clear that the ALP and the Greens are anti Israel and pro Palestinian, so Albanese has been in no hurry to act until now of course when under the media and world spotlight. 50% of Jews left Nazi Germany pre war so it will be interesting to see if we get a significant exit from Australia now its unsafe for them. 

From Jillian Segal's Envoy report:
2.1 From October 2023 to September 2024, antisemitic incidents surged by 316%, with over 2,000 cases reported – threats, assaults, vandalism and intimidation. In October and November 2023 alone, episodes increased over 700% compared to the previous year, reflecting incitement by those with extremist views and misinformation in the media and online. These figures exclude much of the hate online, where antisemitism has exploded. Notable incidents include the firebombing of Melbourne’s Adass Israel Synagogue, firebombing of a childcare centre adjacent to a Synagogue and school, firebombing of cars in residential areas and the repeated targeting with graffiti of Jewish schools and places of worship. In February 2025, ASIO Director General Mike Burgess declared antisemitism Australia’s leading threat to life.

Clearly the Government, ASIO, the AFP have had the information but Albanese has refused to act and protect Jewish citizens in this country.Think I read that 70% of Jews in Australia vote Liberal which isnt unexpected and thats probably going to spiral upwards after recent events. Its been clear that the ALP and the Greens are anti Israel and pro Palestinian, so Albanese has been in no hurry to act until now of course when under the media and world spotlight. 50% of Jews left Nazi Germany pre war so it will be interesting to see if we get a significant exit from Australia now its unsafe for them. 

Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on December 24, 2025, 09:44:21 am

From Jillian Segal's Envoy report:
2.1 From October 2023 to September 2024, antisemitic incidents surged by 316%, with over 2,000 cases reported – threats, assaults, vandalism and intimidation. In October and November 2023 alone, episodes increased over 700% compared to the previous year, reflecting incitement by those with extremist views and misinformation in the media and online. These figures exclude much of the hate online, where antisemitism has exploded. Notable incidents include the firebombing of Melbourne’s Adass Israel Synagogue, firebombing of a childcare centre adjacent to a Synagogue and school, firebombing of cars in residential areas and the repeated targeting with graffiti of Jewish schools and places of worship. In February 2025, ASIO Director General Mike Burgess declared antisemitism Australia’s leading threat to life.

Clearly the Government, ASIO, the AFP have had the information but Albanese has refused to act and protect Jewish citizens in this country.Think I read that 70% of Jews in Australia vote Liberal which isnt unexpected and thats probably going to spiral upwards after recent events. Its been clear that the ALP and the Greens are anti Israel and pro Palestinian, so Albanese has been in no hurry to act until now of course when under the media and world spotlight. 50% of Jews left Nazi Germany pre war so it will be interesting to see if we get a significant exit from Australia now its unsafe for them. 

My ex-neighbour who sold house and moved because of how bad it was in our area now believes he would feel safer in Israel and is considering uprooting his family and going there. Think about that for a second? Where are we at as a nation if even one person thinks living in the Middle East is safer than Melbourne/Australia?

You would think with Albo on the ropes with regards the economy, migration, anti semitism etc that the Libs would be soaring in the polls and climbing back into poll position for the next election but alas the nationals have bailed on them again and Party Leader David Littleproud has said they cant and wont be working with Susan Ley. Right Wing Fish and Chip purveyor Pauline Hanson's popularity on the other hand has gone through the parliamentary roof and its Susan Ley looking like she is yesterday's fish and chip paper and on the way out. Libs will do their usual next dud up mentality and pick Hastie or Taylor when they should looking at some of their younger better performers...
Albo might get in again by doing a Bradbury and staying off the pace while the others trip themselves up..