I must watch a different Motlop to most. Yeah, he needs to finish his work and makes some poor decisions, but he does a lot right. Adds a different dimension at stoppage. 5 clearances last night. Only behind Hewitt and Cripps. I can't see a world that you wouldn't play him or even trade him.
Yep. In Motlop you see glimpses. You see talent. You see hope.
Yes, you see mistakes....but he isn't alone in that.
I see similar in Moir. You see glimpses. You see talent. You see hope.
Yes, you see mistakes....but he isn't alone in that.
Not too many players you can say that about. Plenty of others might turn out to be ok, but there is no out and out talent on display like the other 2.
I was picking generic data. Not favouring one or the other.
I included complete ruck stats to show relative numbers there. That is... Pitto wins 1/2 the hitouts of contests he is in. TDK 1/3 Pitto gets 1/5 hitouts to advantage from ruck contests he attends. TDK is 1 in 7.
TDK played most of his game forward...cool....Pitto outscored him, took more contested marks, had as many score involvements. But TDK looks pretty running around the ground and can jump higher. None of this translates to actual output on game day.
You didn't want to include TOG for those 2 though? Does it hurt your defence? Pitto TOG - 74% TDK TOG - 85%
As for Fantasia vs Motlop......i chose that comparison before even looking at the stats and was surprised how much better Motlop did.
Im not the one making an argument here. TDK was playing as a forward (poorly at that) and my standout moment of the game for him, was us conceding whilst he was checking on a teamate that fell over, and the opposition waltzed away with the footy. Look after your mate later thanks.
I have no complaints with Pittonet, and have defended him from the time he signed a 4 year deal.
Re: Motlop, he gets a free pass because we are bereft of young talent, but he is not anywhere near elite for a small forward. I cant remember the last time he scored a goal and did well, and we are about to move him around the ground to try and find other ways to impact the game.
My point was this.
TDK gets credit. Pittonet gets not much (this game being perhaps the only exception in recent time) but stats wise.....it does NOT give you any insight into what the market offers are. That is, based on output, both are worth the same.
Similarly Fantasia and Motlop. Both get chastised. Motlop has age on his side and is performing at least to the same level of the wiley old veteran we recruited for his experience. Who should be congratulated and who should be chastised for not giving enough.
If i put comparisons of player a vs player b....we have a different discussion than if i put the actual names there.....and that is the issue. Peoples perception change based on the names. Forget the names, look at whats being offered in terms of output.
I'm not selective. Curnow, Weitering, TDK, Cripps.....they've all copped it from me lately.
The take home point is this.... Perform, or piss off and give a kid a go.
lol.....not surprised you are living in a 'fantasy' world.
Are you going LP on me. The stats only matter if you put them up.
Stats are stats.
Supercoach points can change based on free kicks given for / against. You can have a free kick against you for a 'professional free' or from a poor umpiring decision. A long kick to a 50-50 contest is an effective kick even if we lose it. If it goes 40m to a contest its ineffective.
Motlop kicked the ball through for an opposition behind. By those stats, its ineffective. By reality, he saved us a goal.
Now that the season is dead, you set standards. You a kid wanting to play AFL footy? You need to bang the door down like this VFL hack who isnt good enough. Why is he so much better at the level than you if he's rubbish?
AFL players? You want to play AFL footy or continue at the club? Dont go to the VFL and give us what Blake Acres did today. He should have been one of the best on. Instead he was just going. The workrate was there, the ability to hit targets not. Thats a negative for an important senior player.
Set the standards now. Playing the kids at AFL level before they have time, or gifting us games through a rebuild is precisely why we are rubbish. Brisbane's Deven Robertson has been squeezed out of their senior team. He has that many players ahead of him, you could forgive him for going at half rat power. They were 6 goals up with 10 minutes to play, and he ended up with a bloody nose because of his commitment to the contest, and statistically was 2nd best Lion on the day, out of 18 senior listed players. He isnt guaranteed a game next week, and it shows. Our boys by contrast, dont want it enough. Set THAT standard. Its way more important than gifting any young kid a game.
Look, i get it.
Set the standard, reward VFL form etc. Thats fine. That CAN lead to improvement on field. Its what we've done in the last few weeks though and how has that worked out? If we only picked blokes who were setting standards, we'd have about half a teams worth of players running out each week.
So...that ain't working. Remembering we rewarded Evans 2 weeks ago, then found him wanting and shafted him back to the 2's, now we want to promote him again? Its not helping us, him or anyone.
We have to make some very tough calls this off-season. We've got 6-7 weeks to gather a wealth of information that we normally wouldn't be able to do if we were still in finals contention. Don't blow it.
Lemmey is possibly more likely to be delisted then re-signed for next year. Are we 100% certain thats the right thing to do? Play him in the 1's and find out. White? Young? Play them. Evans and Fantasia....we know what we will get....what do we gain by playing them??
Billy Wilson....Jaxon Binns.....at this stage, i'd delist them both. Play them and see if they can surprise you. Give Charleson a crack while you can.
These blokes will give you more effort in the 1's than most of the team so far. We are not playing to win. So what are we playing for??
Evans is not the future. Let him dominate at VFL level, but playing him at AFL shows gives us nothing both now and in the future. Play a kid in his place.
For a side like ours, that is supposedly not trying, we cannot ignore the sort of game he played in the VFL.
You want to set standards at the club? Drop the talent, and reward the guys who are working.
Evans was second best of the blues on ground statistically (beaten by Ethan Phillips). 3 goals, 18 disposals, 8 marks, 8 tackles. Thats putting your hand up.
Billy Wilson was next. 1 goal. 23 disposals. 8 marks 3 tackles. Jordan Boyd not far behind Billy. Will white also had a dip.
We weren't very good.
I dont want to see Evans on our list next season, but if we are going to achieve anything for the rest of this year, you have to reward the solid VFL form when a player puts his hand up, particularly with the ones going as badly as they have been.
I'm not sure what you think we can acheive this year, other than playing kids and giving them experience.
Oh and time on ground percetange 81% motlop, and Fantasia 51%.
Fantasia's issues are reliability.
Not capability. Reliability limits his capability.
Both of them are luxuries a side like ours cannot afford.
TDK played most of his game forward, and Pittonet mostly in the ruck. Thats another stinky comparison.
I was picking generic data. Not favouring one or the other.
I included complete ruck stats to show relative numbers there. That is... Pitto wins 1/2 the hitouts of contests he is in. TDK 1/3 Pitto gets 1/5 hitouts to advantage from ruck contests he attends. TDK is 1 in 7.
TDK played most of his game forward...cool....Pitto outscored him, took more contested marks, had as many score involvements. But TDK looks pretty running around the ground and can jump higher. None of this translates to actual output on game day.
You didn't want to include TOG for those 2 though? Does it hurt your defence? Pitto TOG - 74% TDK TOG - 85%
As for Fantasia vs Motlop......i chose that comparison before even looking at the stats and was surprised how much better Motlop did.
Whoever said about Evans getting a game, and spweing up, I would have my bucket ready for next week.
It wasn't me, but i share the sentiment.
Evans is not the future. Let him dominate at VFL level, but playing him at AFL shows gives us nothing both now and in the future. Play a kid in his place.
I think fans like to blame outsiders. Fantasia had a great game yesterday and still got blamed. TDK is in that outsider camp now.
If Fantasia had a 'great' game, what type of game would you say Motlop had?
Fantasia vs Motlop - Stat 14 vs 17 - Disposals 1 vs 6 - Marks 1 vs 5 - Clearances 4 vs 3 - Inside 50's 1 vs 2 - Rebound 50's 13 vs 18 - Pressure acts 4 vs 4 - Tackles 4 vs 5 - Score involvements 1.0 vs 0.1 - Scoring (G.B)
29 vs 21 - Age
If you want to talk about TDK...
TDK vs Pittonet - Stat 14 vs 7 - Disposals 0 vs 2 - Intercept disposals 3 vs 1 - Marks 0 vs 1 - Contested Marks 2 vs 1 - Clearances 0 vs 1 - Inside 50's 0 vs 0 - Rebound 50's 5 vs 6 - Pressure acts 4 vs 2 - Tackles 4 vs 4 - Score involvements 1.0 vs 2.0 - Scoring (G.B) 33 vs 66 - Ruck contests 10 vs 34 - Hitouts 4 vs 14 - Hitouts to advantage
Compare the pair.... One is 'a hack' who needs to be replaced. One is '1.7mil worthy' who is 'elite'.
So boo hoo about outsiders all you like. There are other 'hacks' that are outperforming them. So perhaps they are not outsiders at all, rather just underperforming.
We had a string of about 7 disposals from back line to up to half forward. Only 1, from Moir, hit a target anywhere near where they should've. Some were behind the player who had to stop and go back. Some where at the feet. Some over the head. Some bounced first. Almost all were under zero pressure.
How can you watch this and the blame the small forwards? Our midfield has been outplayed again. Our defence can't defend or rebound clean.
I'm not blaming simply them, but its pretty clear that if you play a position that doesn't allow you to gather a large amount of possessions, you make the most of them. They have just about all had shots on goal, and very few have even looked like going through the big sticks. Motlop, Moir and Fogarty have combined for 0.5
