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Re: How will we line up in 2025.

Reply #135 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
No, prove that no team has a backup 22 in position.

We have an unbalanced list.
We have had an unbalanced list for years.
I refuse to believe that everyone has an unbalanced list like you suggest.

I refuse to believe that you won’t attempt to back up your flimsy argument by trying to name a second 22 for Brisbane 🙂

I’ve named what I think is a pretty competitive second 21 for us so I guess you’ll just have to concede that your position has been bogus from the outset 😇
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: How will we line up in 2025.

Reply #136 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Quote from: kruddler – on
No, prove that no team has a backup 22 in position.

We have an unbalanced list.
We have had an unbalanced list for years.
I refuse to believe that everyone has an unbalanced list like you suggest.

I refuse to believe that you won’t attempt to back up your flimsy argument by trying to name a second 22 for Brisbane 🙂

I’ve named what I think is a pretty competitive second 21 for us so I guess you’ll just have to concede that your position has been bogus from the outset 😇
Naming a side with the caveat its based on the geelong game is a convenient way to not include Haynes in the 1's.
We didn't recruit him to play VFL.

Re: How will we line up in 2025.

Reply #137 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Quote from: DJC – on


I refuse to believe that you won’t attempt to back up your flimsy argument by trying to name a second 22 for Brisbane 🙂

I’ve named what I think is a pretty competitive second 21 for us so I guess you’ll just have to concede that your position has been bogus from the outset 😇
Naming a side with the caveat its based on the geelong game is a convenient way to not include Haynes in the 1's.
We didn't recruit him to play VFL.

Nitpicking!  Haynes wasn’t in GWS’s best 22 🙄

We were so badly hit by injuries after that game that there aren’t enough players for a squad.

However, feel free to nominate your best 22 and I’ll come up with a second 22 or however many players are left … but only if you can name a balanced, competitive second Brisbane 22.

Your reluctance to accept the challenge is telling 🙂
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: How will we line up in 2025.

Reply #138 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
No, prove that no team has a backup 22 in position.

We have an unbalanced list.
We have had an unbalanced list for years.
I refuse to believe that everyone has an unbalanced list like you suggest.

You're getting sucked in to deflect from the fact we don't have a legit second tall defender. Just stick with that.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: How will we line up in 2025.

Reply #139 –
I have put in my best team, but it is for the start of the year. My hope is that by the end of the season players like Binns, Lemmey, Lord, Wilson, Smith, Moir, B.Camporeale & L.Camporeale are pushing for selection based on strong form and we have a younger and more dynamic line-up by the end of the season.

Re: How will we line up in 2025.

Reply #140 –
Just to reiterate, we have the following KPPs:

Jack Silvagni - key forward (and back up ruckman or possibly key defender this season) 194cm, 92kg
Harry McKay - key forward (and back up ruckman) 200cm 105kg
Brodie Kemp - key defender (but is set to play as a key forward this season) 192cm 89kg
Harry O'Farrell - key defender 196cm 87kg
Jacob Weitering - key defender 195cm 102kg
Charlie Curnow - key forward 194cm 94kg
Harry Lemmey - key forward (and back up ruckman) 201cm 95kg
Lewis Young - key defender (and back up ruckman) 202cm 99kg

And possibly two of the following:

Liam McMahon - key forward 198cm 89kg
Denver Grainger-Barras - key defender 194cm 84kg
Ethan Phillips - key defender 198cm 90kg

Then we have three genuine ruckmen:

Tom De Koning 201cm 102kg
Marc Pittonet 202cm 107kg
Hudson O'Keeffe 202cm 94kg

Brisbane, as the reigning premiers, must have the best list.  They have the following KPPs:

Logan Morris - key forward 191cm 90kg
Luke Lloyd - key forward 193cm 84kg
Zane Zakostelsky - key defender 196cm 89kg
Brandon Ryan - key forward 200cm 91kg
Henry Smith - key forward/ruckman 206cm 98kg
Darcy Gardiner - key forward 192cm 91kg
Eric Hipwood - key forward 203cm 94kg
Harris Andrews - key defender 202cm 98kg
Jack Payne - key defender 197cm 104kg
Darragh Joyce - key defender 195cm 96kg
Sam Day - key forward 197cm 104kg

Plus two dedicated ruckmen:

Darcy Fort 204cm 98kg
Oscar McInerny 204cm 110kg

What does all that mean?  The reigning premiers have four KPDs, seven KPFs and two rucks.  Our "unbalanced" list has four KPDs, four KPFs and three rucks, with the possibility of another two KPDs or a KPF and a KPD being added through the SSP.  That's eleven and possibly thirteen talls for us and thirteen talls for Brisbane.  And then there's Matt Duffy who, at 194cm and 90kg, could well be another KPP.  After all, Brisbane has Darragh Joyce as a key defender ...

So, who has the "unbalanced" list, us or the reigning premiers?



It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!
 

Re: How will we line up in 2025.

Reply #141 –
Our list is very good - everyone knows that - just need to stay on the park and build matchday cohesion between the lines.

Re: How will we line up in 2025.

Reply #142 –
Harris and Payne have been better than Weitering and Kemp/McGovern/Young.

I would like us to commit to Young but the coaching staff don't seem to like him in the side.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: How will we line up in 2025.

Reply #144 –
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https://www.sen.com.au/news/2024/12/04/putting-team-bias-aside-the-best-key-defender-in-the-afl-is-see-the-survey?fbclid=IwY2xjawG--S9leHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHYhNtO5706OG9aC6RB3kV52U9coCMcY_NgQQGkhZ4e9p4YX2l66iZKv80g_aem_ZAos1DjmccJ19YbyNjv1IA

Not much between Weitering and Andrews. :D

There's no doubt about Harris Andrews being an elite KPD.  However, Weitering is a superior one on one defender and he is a more intuitive footballer who is able to set up chains of possession and create opportunities for his teammates.

Jack Payne is a pretty good second banana to Andrews but Lewis Young is just a tad better and should be our first choice second KPD.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: How will we line up in 2025.

Reply #145 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Quote from: Lods – on
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2024/12/04/putting-team-bias-aside-the-best-key-defender-in-the-afl-is-see-the-survey?fbclid=IwY2xjawG--S9leHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHYhNtO5706OG9aC6RB3kV52U9coCMcY_NgQQGkhZ4e9p4YX2l66iZKv80g_aem_ZAos1DjmccJ19YbyNjv1IA

Not much between Weitering and Andrews. :D

There's no doubt about Harris Andrews being an elite KPD.  However, Weitering is a superior one on one defender and he is a more intuitive footballer who is able to set up chains of possession and create opportunities for his teammates.

Jack Payne is a pretty good second banana to Andrews but Lewis Young is just a tad better and should be our first choice second KPD.
Young is too fragile and timid, just not physical enough for a player his size and doesnt go hard enough, you can see why he wouldnt be a Voss favourite as the coach would have standards of effort and attack on the ball that Young wouldnt meet.
Id take Payne over Young every day of the week, there had to be a reason why Beveridge let Young go from the Dogs even when they were short of tall defenders and I think we have found out why.

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Reply #146 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Young is too fragile and timid, just not physical enough for a player his size and doesnt go hard enough, you can see why he wouldnt be a Voss favourite as the coach would have standards of effort and attack on the ball that Young wouldnt meet.
Id take Payne over Young every day of the week, there had to be a reason why Beveridge let Young go from the Dogs even when they were short of tall defenders and I think we have found out why.

I don't see that in Young at all.  I think that his attack on the ball is as good as anyone.

Where he falls down is his lack of decisiveness with ball in hand and slightly awkward kicking style that gives the opposition time to cover his intended targets.  I think that our ball movement out of defence is a bit slower and more predictable with Young on the ground and I believe that's what concerns Voss.

Do a comparision between Young and Payne on Footywire.  I think you'll be surprised by the stats.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: How will we line up in 2025.

Reply #147 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Young is too fragile and timid, just not physical enough for a player his size and doesnt go hard enough, you can see why he wouldnt be a Voss favourite as the coach would have standards of effort and attack on the ball that Young wouldnt meet.
Id take Payne over Young every day of the week, there had to be a reason why Beveridge let Young go from the Dogs even when they were short of tall defenders and I think we have found out why.

I don't see that in Young at all.  I think that his attack on the ball is as good as anyone.

Where he falls down is his lack of decisiveness with ball in hand and slightly awkward kicking style that gives the opposition time to cover his intended targets.  I think that our ball movement out of defence is a bit slower and more predictable with Young on the ground and I believe that's what concerns Voss.

Do a comparision between Young and Payne on Footywire.  I think you'll be surprised by the stats.
I'll agree to disagree, interested in what others think of Young and his pros and cons.
My impressions were based on his first season compared to what he has dished up since and in his first season he did show what is required effort wise but since then its been a dramatic turn around and I cant understand why?
Being told to look around isnt exactly an endorsement of his abilities unless the coaching staff are trying to shock him back into his first seasons form.

Re: How will we line up in 2025.

Reply #148 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
I'll agree to disagree, interested in what others think of Young and his pros and cons.
I feel if he offered to play a game of chicken to save my life I'd probably pass!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: How will we line up in 2025.

Reply #149 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
I'll agree to disagree, interested in what others think of Young and his pros and cons.
My impressions were based on his first season compared to what he has dished up since and in his first season he did show what is required effort wise but since then its been a dramatic turn around and I cant understand why?
Being told to look around isnt exactly and endorsement of his abilities unless the coaching staff are trying to shock him back into his first seasons form.

In his exit interview, Young expressed his desire to play more senior footy, as you would.  He was given two options and he went with the "stay at the club and work harder" option.  That's just a little different than being told to look around.

I think that his problem is not lack of effort but is more about not coping with how the defence was tweaked for last season.  While it may difficult for Young to play the way Vossy wants, it shouldn't be too hard adjust the defence to cover his tendency to slow our transition down.  Perhaps that will be Haynes' task.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!